Early thoughts about the rotation

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FNG wrote: Sat Jul 19, 2025 9:59 am Moore and Robson had an interesting discussion about how the rotation might work on a pod this week, and I agree with their assessment. They said NAW averaged 23.5 MPG playing 82 games this season, and were wondering how those minutes would be replaced. They assumed Finchy would move to a standard 9-man rotation, with TJ and Rob being the main beneficiaries (with Clark also getting some spot minutes). They think Mike will continue to start, and didn't think his 25 MPG would be reduced. And obviously Ant isn't going to be reduced. Their conclusion was that Jaden will get some more minutes at PF as the 4th big with the other 3 bigs' minutes being slightly reduced with a corresponding reduction. If we expect TJ and Rob to get about 30 MPG between them, the 3 bigs' minutes only have to be reduced by 6 1/2 MPG to make room for TJ and Rob. I think this is a pretty good analysis of what the plan might be coming into the season assuming everyone is healthy.
I’ll have to take a look at their discussion. It will interesting to see how the rotation starts and then how it evolves over the course of the season. A few thoughts:

First, I think Ant’s minutes should be reduced a bit below last season’s 36 per game. He’s been an iron man but so was KAT before his body started to break down playing lots of minutes and playing just about every game. We need to keep him fresh for the end of the season and preserve his health and athleticism over the course of his career here. I’d like to see his minutes reduced to no more than 32 per game.

Second, I think it makes sense to reduce Rudy’s minutes below his 33.2 from last season but I don’t think it makes sense to reduce Naz Reid’s minutes below last season’s 27.5; in fact, Naz’s minutes should probably increase. Maybe Randle’s minutes should be reduced below last season’s 32.3 but I’m not sure. Without a defensive backup center to replace Rudy, it makes sense to slide our next best defensive player, Jaden, into the PF position with Naz at center when Rudy’s out - at least until Beringer is ready. Jaden averaged 32 minutes last season. I don’t see increasing Jaden’s minutes, but I can see allocating another 5-10 of his 32 minutes to the PF position. Overall, I don’t see a plausible path to getting more minutes for TJ, Clark or Dilly by reducing the minutes of our three bigs.

Third, I’d like to see Conley’s minutes reduced below last season’s 24.7. If he’s still playing that many minutes next season then I think we’re in trouble. I’d start out taking him down to no more than 20 minutes and possibly go down from there depending on what we see from Dilly and TJ. Depending on how Donte performs, perhaps his 26 minutes could be reduced to 20.

Finally, I don’t have a specific breakdown in mind and the allocation of minutes at the beginning of the season probably won’t be the same by the end of the season. Having said that, it seems to me that all or almost all of NAW’s 25 minutes should go to TJ based on how TJ has been performing last season, in the playoffs and most recently in Summer League. Otherwise, it’s hard to see where Dilly picks up minutes if not almost entirely from Conley with some perhaps from Donte but either way I have a hard time coming up with more than 12-15 minutes for Dilly. Barring injury, I don’t know where Clark gets significant minutes. Finch mentioned in a SL game interview that he intends a 9 or 10 player rotation. He was pretty emphatic about that. I can see getting to 9 with Dilly at 12-15 minutes but I still don’t see a realistic scenario for a 10-man rotation.
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FNG wrote: Sat Jul 19, 2025 9:59 am Moore and Robson had an interesting discussion about how the rotation might work on a pod this week, and I agree with their assessment. They said NAW averaged 23.5 MPG playing 82 games this season, and were wondering how those minutes would be replaced. They assumed Finchy would move to a standard 9-man rotation, with TJ and Rob being the main beneficiaries (with Clark also getting some spot minutes). They think Mike will continue to start, and didn't think his 25 MPG would be reduced. And obviously Ant isn't going to be reduced. Their conclusion was that Jaden will get some more minutes at PF as the 4th big with the other 3 bigs' minutes being slightly reduced with a corresponding reduction. If we expect TJ and Rob to get about 30 MPG between them, the 3 bigs' minutes only have to be reduced by 6 1/2 MPG to make room for TJ and Rob. I think this is a pretty good analysis of what the plan might be coming into the season assuming everyone is healthy.
It would not surprise me to see Donte see a slight uptick in minutes if he bounces back and plays like he is capable. I wouldn't be surprised if Conley plays a little big less and basically those 2 cancel out.

Dillingham Clark and TSJ did play some actual rotation minutes last year in games so it's not like they are complete zeros in terms of possible rotation minutes to start. The good news is there are options. Going into last season we didn't know that Clark was a legit NBA player much less a possible rotation player like it seems he is capable of now. TSJ has done enough it looks like he can play which I think a lot of us thought he probably could last year but he did some of that in the playoffs. I know most are high on Dillingham as a guy that will be helping the roster this season but still he has an entire rookie year getting some experience playing in the system being developed etc. It's July and there could be some more development between now and the regular season.

Meanwhile the Wolves have 2 open roster spots so it's possible they sign someone worthy of playing minutes even if it's only when someone sits or is injured.
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Lip, something like this might work to start the season:

Rudy 33 Naz 15
Ju 30 Naz 12 Jaden 6
Jaden 26 TJ 22
Ant 34 Donte 14
Mike 22 Rob 16 Donte 10

It gives meaningful minutes to TJ and Rob if they are up to it without reducing the minutes of last year's Starting 7 very much.
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FNG wrote: Sat Jul 19, 2025 11:09 am Lip, something like this might work to start the season:

Rudy 33 Naz 15
Ju 30 Naz 12 Jaden 6
Jaden 26 TJ 22
Ant 34 Donte 14
Mike 22 Rob 16 Donte 10

It gives meaningful minutes to TJ and Rob if they are up to it without reducing the minutes of last year's Starting 7 very much.
That’s a nice breakdown, FNG. It’s a strong 9-player rotation with meaningful minutes to all the team’s most talented players except Clark. Seems to me that Clark’s presence on the roster is mainly a hedge against injury and that he’ll be first in line for major minutes in the event of an injury.

Just for fun, but not really very meaningful, I’ll tweak your rotation minutes as follows, taking 5 minutes from Rudy, 2 minutes from Conley and 2 minutes from Ant: :)

Rudy 28 Naz 20
Ju 30 Naz 10 Jaden 8
Jaden 24 TJ 24
Ant 32 Donte 16
Mike 20 Rob 20 Donte 8

End Result for each player:

Rudy: 28 minutes
Julius: 30 minutes
Naz: 30 minutes
Jaden: 32 minutes
Ant: 32 minutes
TJ: 24 minutes
Donte: 24 minutes
Conley: 20 minutes
Dilly: 20 minutes
Clark: Ready in case of injury and/or illness

Interestingly we both have Donte as our third PG but after watching TJ in SL I’m thinking TJ might be a better facilitator than Donte. In any event, you can facilitate from any position.
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Lipoli390 wrote: Sat Jul 19, 2025 11:27 am
FNG wrote: Sat Jul 19, 2025 11:09 am Lip, something like this might work to start the season:

Rudy 33 Naz 15
Ju 30 Naz 12 Jaden 6
Jaden 26 TJ 22
Ant 34 Donte 14
Mike 22 Rob 16 Donte 10

It gives meaningful minutes to TJ and Rob if they are up to it without reducing the minutes of last year's Starting 7 very much.
That’s a nice breakdown, FNG. It’s a strong 9-player rotation with meaningful minutes to all the team’s most talented players except Clark. Seems to me that Clark’s presence on the roster is mainly a hedge against injury and that he’ll be first in line for major minutes in the event of an injury.

Just for fun, but not really very meaningful, I’ll tweak your rotation minutes as follows, taking 5 minutes from Rudy, 2 minutes from Conley and 2 minutes from Ant: :)

Rudy 28 Naz 20
Ju 30 Naz 10 Jaden 8
Jaden 24 TJ 24
Ant 32 Donte 16
Mike 20 Rob 20 Donte 8

End Result for each player:

Rudy: 28 minutes
Julius: 30 minutes
Naz: 30 minutes
Jaden: 32 minutes
Ant: 32 minutes
TJ: 24 minutes
Donte: 24 minutes
Conley: 20 minutes
Dilly: 20 minutes
Clark: Ready in case of injury and/or illness

Interestingly we both have Donte as our third PG but after watching TJ in SL I’m thinking TJ might be a better facilitator than Donte. In any event, you can facilitate from any position.
If Donte plays less next season with NAW leaving...it makes me think they should cash in on his value as a role player. If Duncan Robinson pulled in like 15 million then Donte has to have some reasonable trade value with his contract and he is simply a better player IMO.

I think there will be times Clark is going to simply be inserted because he can defend at a high level and it seems like you can probably just throw him in whenever it's not gonna matter if he hasn't played for a game or 2 or even more he will do what he does. Those types of guys are pretty valuable. Dillingham and maybe even TSJ might be guys that lose minutes in those cases. I think Clark is gonna make a case for more playing time every time he gets an opportunity.
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Lipoli390 wrote: Sat Jul 19, 2025 11:27 am
FNG wrote: Sat Jul 19, 2025 11:09 am Lip, something like this might work to start the season:

Rudy 33 Naz 15
Ju 30 Naz 12 Jaden 6
Jaden 26 TJ 22
Ant 34 Donte 14
Mike 22 Rob 16 Donte 10

It gives meaningful minutes to TJ and Rob if they are up to it without reducing the minutes of last year's Starting 7 very much.
That’s a nice breakdown, FNG. It’s a strong 9-player rotation with meaningful minutes to all the team’s most talented players except Clark. Seems to me that Clark’s presence on the roster is mainly a hedge against injury and that he’ll be first in line for major minutes in the event of an injury.

Just for fun, but not really very meaningful, I’ll tweak your rotation minutes as follows, taking 5 minutes from Rudy, 2 minutes from Conley and 2 minutes from Ant: :)

Rudy 28 Naz 20
Ju 30 Naz 10 Jaden 8
Jaden 24 TJ 24
Ant 32 Donte 16
Mike 20 Rob 20 Donte 8

End Result for each player:

Rudy: 28 minutes
Julius: 30 minutes
Naz: 30 minutes
Jaden: 32 minutes
Ant: 32 minutes
TJ: 24 minutes
Donte: 24 minutes
Conley: 20 minutes
Dilly: 20 minutes
Clark: Ready in case of injury and/or illness

Interestingly we both have Donte as our third PG but after watching TJ in SL I’m thinking TJ might be a better facilitator than Donte. In any event, you can facilitate from any position.
I generally agree with FNG's minutes breakdown when Finch sticks with his core 9 guys because a guy like Clark may not be needed. But I also want to see Clark get semi-regular minutes for his perimeter defense against the likes of SGA, Jamal Murray, Cooper Flagg, etc. In those games I expect either Rudy, Randle, DDV or some combination of those three to have their minutes slightly reduced.

I think Shannon is going to establish himself as a two-way stud this season and will be difficult to take off the floor along with Ant and Jaden.
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