Will the switch be flipped? Nuggets/Wolves Game 1

[Wolvesfan21]

We'll revisit whether Ant is untradable or not in the offseason, but if OkC called and said they wanted to trade us SGA for Ant, I hope there's nobody on this board that would say no. Any POBO who considers a player to be untradable in all circumstances is not doing is job...the only criteria for considering a trade should be "does it make us better".

When asked what happened to the Wolves' offense after the 1st quarter, Mike Conley said we went to Iso and quit moving the ball. And it shows up in the stats. We had 8 assists in the 1st quarter and only 13 more the rest of the game. And that's on Ant and Ju, who reverted back to their one on one half court game in the last three quarters. And I'll say unlike Ant, Ju wasn't very good in the first quarter either. I'm not sure, but I think Ju's first assist came in the 4th quarter. Ant needs to be better tonight to be sure, but Julius needs to be much better.

That would never happen. Why would OKC trade SGA or Spurs trade Wemby? Those are two guys who could possibly and probably make us better right now. However, it's idiotic for those teams to trade their best player on a contending team so it's just a non starter.

The Luka one sort of had some sense behind it, due to how much Luka was going to get paid from the Mavs specifically. Now he's due for a raise but not in that super duper max category. We have no reason right now to trade Ant, unless like I said the injury thing is worse then we thought. Then OK, it actually would make sense since his value is much worse in our own eyes. But as far as we know thats not the case and he'll be fine going forward. Now in 2-3 years, maybe a case is made if circumstances change.

[Wolvesfan21]

I'm not advocating for an Ant trade, I'm just saying our fanbase overrates him and that he shouldn't be considered untradeable.

If you read this discussion, it's obvious our fanbase overrates him. After all, we drafted him so he must be better than other teams best players . Give me a break, it's his 6th year and he's not the easiest guy to play with. If he's so great, go beat Denver, San Antonio, and OKC this year. That would convince me he's untradeable. But if you can't beat your peers in the best player group, that has to say something. I'll give him credit for the Denver series win two years ago, and a little credit for beating Phoenix which wasn't a close series to begin with. He got embarrassed against Dallas two years ago, embarrassed against OKC last year. So let's see what you've got now in year 6. No excuses.

I'm having a hard time right now giving Ju, Naz and a couple others a pass for how this season has cratered. I can let Ant slide a bit assuming we lose in round 1 because he's been hurt and now just trying to come back. Not a 100% pass, but a partial pass considering how his teammates have played and how he's been injured. But I also think with better play we're probably the 2-3 seed and a much easier matchup, potentially giving Ant more time to recover and get back and then going on a possible run.

Being the 6th seed is a huge disappointment for this roster.

I kind of blame everyone too, which is the hard part. TC for not having a viable Conley replacement.

Finch for having a team who doesn't take the regular season seriously.

The players who also didn't take the regular season seriously enough and also for playing like poo too often.

[FNG]

We'll revisit whether Ant is untradable or not in the offseason, but if OkC called and said they wanted to trade us SGA for Ant, I hope there's nobody on this board that would say no. Any POBO who considers a player to be untradable in all circumstances is not doing is job...the only criteria for considering a trade should be "does it make us better".

When asked what happened to the Wolves' offense after the 1st quarter, Mike Conley said we went to Iso and quit moving the ball. And it shows up in the stats. We had 8 assists in the 1st quarter and only 13 more the rest of the game. And that's on Ant and Ju, who reverted back to their one on one half court game in the last three quarters. And I'll say unlike Ant, Ju wasn't very good in the first quarter either. I'm not sure, but I think Ju's first assist came in the 4th quarter. Ant needs to be better tonight to be sure, but Julius needs to be much better.

That would never happen. Why would OKC trade SGA or Spurs trade Wemby? Those are two guys who could possibly and probably make us better right now. However, it's idiotic for those teams to trade their best player on a contending team so it's just a non starter.

The Luka one sort of had some sense behind it, due to how much Luka was going to get paid from the Mavs specifically. Now he's due for a raise but not in that super duper max category. We have no reason right now to trade Ant, unless like I said the injury thing is worse then we thought. Then OK, it actually would make sense since his value is much worse in our own eyes. But as far as we know thats not the case and he'll be fine going forward. Now in 2-3 years, maybe a case is made if circumstances change.

WF, because it's the NBA, and star players insist on getting traded frequently...do we think SGA likes living in a cow town like Oklahoma City. I just threw it out as an example to show that nobody is untradable...well, at least outside the top 3 players in the league. I agree with everyone here that it's not likely the Wolves would trade Ant, but turning down a deal that would clearly make the team better would be grounds for dismissal.

[Wolvesfan21]

We'll revisit whether Ant is untradable or not in the offseason, but if OkC called and said they wanted to trade us SGA for Ant, I hope there's nobody on this board that would say no. Any POBO who considers a player to be untradable in all circumstances is not doing is job...the only criteria for considering a trade should be "does it make us better".

When asked what happened to the Wolves' offense after the 1st quarter, Mike Conley said we went to Iso and quit moving the ball. And it shows up in the stats. We had 8 assists in the 1st quarter and only 13 more the rest of the game. And that's on Ant and Ju, who reverted back to their one on one half court game in the last three quarters. And I'll say unlike Ant, Ju wasn't very good in the first quarter either. I'm not sure, but I think Ju's first assist came in the 4th quarter. Ant needs to be better tonight to be sure, but Julius needs to be much better.

That would never happen. Why would OKC trade SGA or Spurs trade Wemby? Those are two guys who could possibly and probably make us better right now. However, it's idiotic for those teams to trade their best player on a contending team so it's just a non starter.

The Luka one sort of had some sense behind it, due to how much Luka was going to get paid from the Mavs specifically. Now he's due for a raise but not in that super duper max category. We have no reason right now to trade Ant, unless like I said the injury thing is worse then we thought. Then OK, it actually would make sense since his value is much worse in our own eyes. But as far as we know thats not the case and he'll be fine going forward. Now in 2-3 years, maybe a case is made if circumstances change.

WF, because it's the NBA, and star players insist on getting traded frequently...do we think SGA likes living in a cow town like Oklahoma City. I just threw it out as an example to show that nobody is untradable...well, at least outside the top 3 players in the league. I agree with everyone here that it's not likely the Wolves would trade Ant, but turning down a deal that would clearly make the team better would be grounds for dismissal.

As long as OKC is a contender? Zero chance SGA can or would ask out. Players might not like living in Milwaukee or OKC but will play there if they can win. Winning matters ALOT. I actually heard from players that Memphis is the worst city to live in. I think even then if they were great, no player would ask out of a winning situation.

[AussieWolf3]

We'll revisit whether Ant is untradable or not in the offseason, but if OkC called and said they wanted to trade us SGA for Ant, I hope there's nobody on this board that would say no. Any POBO who considers a player to be untradable in all circumstances is not doing is job...the only criteria for considering a trade should be "does it make us better".

When asked what happened to the Wolves' offense after the 1st quarter, Mike Conley said we went to Iso and quit moving the ball. And it shows up in the stats. We had 8 assists in the 1st quarter and only 13 more the rest of the game. And that's on Ant and Ju, who reverted back to their one on one half court game in the last three quarters. And I'll say unlike Ant, Ju wasn't very good in the first quarter either. I'm not sure, but I think Ju's first assist came in the 4th quarter. Ant needs to be better tonight to be sure, but Julius needs to be much better.

That would never happen. Why would OKC trade SGA or Spurs trade Wemby? Those are two guys who could possibly and probably make us better right now. However, it's idiotic for those teams to trade their best player on a contending team so it's just a non starter.

The Luka one sort of had some sense behind it, due to how much Luka was going to get paid from the Mavs specifically. Now he's due for a raise but not in that super duper max category. We have no reason right now to trade Ant, unless like I said the injury thing is worse then we thought. Then OK, it actually would make sense since his value is much worse in our own eyes. But as far as we know thats not the case and he'll be fine going forward. Now in 2-3 years, maybe a case is made if circumstances change.

WF, because it's the NBA, and star players insist on getting traded frequently...do we think SGA likes living in a cow town like Oklahoma City. I just threw it out as an example to show that nobody is untradable...well, at least outside the top 3 players in the league. I agree with everyone here that it's not likely the Wolves would trade Ant, but turning down a deal that would clearly make the team better would be grounds for dismissal.

I think everyone can presume that "untradable" means under any realistic circumstances. I really really don't think anyone needed to be reminded that if OKC or SAS came a calling in August that TC should answer the phone and immediately scream "yes, no take backsies!" And then go purify himself in the waters of Lake Minnetonka.

But here in the real world, Ant is untradable. I think we can close up this fairly tiresome and pedantic debate

[Coolbreeze44]

There are a lot of guys or deals that I would consider for Ant:

1) Cade Cunningham or Jalen Duren
2) Wemby
3) A package from Houston around Smith, Eason, and Thompson
4) Joker
5) Giannis
6) Flagg
7) Tatum and Brown from Boston
8) Shai

There, off the top of my head are 9 different deals you would have to consider if you truly want to win. If you wouldn't consider any of them, what are we doing here? I'll say it again, the proof is in the pudding. Go out and advance to the conference finals this year, and then make it a series when you get there. If you can't that says something to me. Our supporting cast is plenty good for a great player to lead to a title. Time to put up or shut up.

[AussieWolf3]

There are a lot of guys or deals that I would consider for Ant:

1) Cade Cunningham or Jalen Duren
2) Wemby
3) A package from Houston around Smith, Eason, and Thompson
4) Joker
5) Giannis
6) Flagg
7) Tatum and Brown from Boston
8) Shai

There, off the top of my head are 9 different deals you would have to consider if you truly want to win. If you wouldn't consider any of them, what are we doing here? I'll say it again, the proof is in the pudding. Go out and advance to the conference finals this year, and then make it a series when you get there. If you can't that says something to me. Our supporting cast is plenty good for a great player to lead to a title. Time to put up or shut up.

Who among those players won a ship or even got to NBA finals by their 6th season and or are 24 season? The answer would be only Taytum and Brown, making it to the finals and losing for their age 22 and 24 seasons. I'm sure it's not coincidental that they were on the same team while doing so.

SGA got bounced during the play-in by the T-Wolves when he was 24 and then lost in 2nd round his 6th season.

Jokic was 27 in his 8th season before appearing --- and winning --- in the finals

Gannis was 26 in his 8th season before doing the same.

Wemby, Flagg, Cade and Duren haven't proven shit in the playoffs.

Ant on the other hand has been unequivocally the best player on teams that went to back to back WCFs, as under dogs, by his 23rd birthday.... What are we doing here.
Call me a homer, I don't care, but the proof.... As you say ... Is in the pudding

For the record, I am holding him highly responsible for the regular season failures this season. He needs to do better if he want to go where he says he wants to go, but it's ridiculous to act like this kid doesn't already have a sterling resume