Edwards out multiple weeks per shams

[rapsuperstar31]

NAW for us played better then Ayo has and NAW did take another step forward given more opportunity this year. As I said before, I think the ceiling on Ayo is lower to me do to his less athletic ability and less craftiness then avg NBA player. I just don't see starter to me. I could be wrong for sure though and I like him, want to keep him, but see some limits too.

How did NAW play better last season that Ayo has this year?

Are you saying Ayo is less crafty and less athletic than NAW? I curious about that also.

NAW was a much better defender for us, on offense might be close, though I think NAW has better body control, slightly better vision. Yeah I think overall craftiness and athleticism goes to NAW, even when he was here. Just a bit quicker, moves side to side better, body control, feet, fluidity, jumping ability, etc.

Ayo is a better driver and open shooter for us. Overall player though NAW I think was highly underrated for us. He was our best player for a lot of the regular season, carrying us when half the team was giving half ass effort.

NAW was better in the regular season than Ayo was in the short time he was here. NAW was trash in the playoffs offensively for us. His defense was fantastic, although I think he got banged up in that Denver series when he ran into multiple Joker illegal screens which hurt him in the Dallas series. Now NAW never had the usage that Ayo has had in the playoffs these last two games. Through 4 playoff games with Atlanta, NAW is playing great defense and shooting threes great, but shot horribly from 2. Still time for NAW to turn that around in the series. Ayo was pretty poor defensively guarding Murray the first game, but has played better since.

[Wolvesfan21]

How did NAW play better last season that Ayo has this year?

Are you saying Ayo is less crafty and less athletic than NAW? I curious about that also.

NAW was a much better defender for us, on offense might be close, though I think NAW has better body control, slightly better vision. Yeah I think overall craftiness and athleticism goes to NAW, even when he was here. Just a bit quicker, moves side to side better, body control, feet, fluidity, jumping ability, etc.

Ayo is a better driver and open shooter for us. Overall player though NAW I think was highly underrated for us. He was our best player for a lot of the regular season, carrying us when half the team was giving half ass effort.

NAW was better in the regular season than Ayo was in the short time he was here. NAW was trash in the playoffs offensively for us. His defense was fantastic, although I think he got banged up in that Denver series when he ran into multiple Joker illegal screens which hurt him in the Dallas series. Now NAW never had the usage that Ayo has had in the playoffs these last two games. Through 4 playoff games with Atlanta, NAW is playing great defense and shooting threes great, but shot horribly from 2. Still time for NAW to turn that around in the series. Ayo was pretty poor defensively guarding Murray the first game, but has played better since.

Yeah defensively isn't really close. NAW was just so quick staying in front of whoever he was guarding, fighting through screens. One of the best defenders in the NBA as a guard. If his offense is simply alright he's such a positive player.

[Monster]

NAW was a much better defender for us, on offense might be close, though I think NAW has better body control, slightly better vision. Yeah I think overall craftiness and athleticism goes to NAW, even when he was here. Just a bit quicker, moves side to side better, body control, feet, fluidity, jumping ability, etc.

Ayo is a better driver and open shooter for us. Overall player though NAW I think was highly underrated for us. He was our best player for a lot of the regular season, carrying us when half the team was giving half ass effort.

NAW was better in the regular season than Ayo was in the short time he was here. NAW was trash in the playoffs offensively for us. His defense was fantastic, although I think he got banged up in that Denver series when he ran into multiple Joker illegal screens which hurt him in the Dallas series. Now NAW never had the usage that Ayo has had in the playoffs these last two games. Through 4 playoff games with Atlanta, NAW is playing great defense and shooting threes great, but shot horribly from 2. Still time for NAW to turn that around in the series. Ayo was pretty poor defensively guarding Murray the first game, but has played better since.

Yeah defensively isn't really close. NAW was just so quick staying in front of whoever he was guarding, fighting through screens. One of the best defenders in the NBA as a guard. If his offense is simply alright he's such a positive player.

Thanks for all the responses.

Shouldn't it be acknowledged that Ayo so far is vastly superior to NAW offensively? I mean come on the efficiently is ridiculous and NOBODY here was demanding NAW take enough shots to score 20ppg. The guy did become more aggressive last year but wasn't exactly a guy anyone here though could be more than MAYBE a 16ppg guy. Ayo has basically showed this season he can probably be that type of guy and more.

Again I appreciate the thoughts here as I haven't watched Ayo a whole lot with the Wolves yet while most people have watched a pretty good chunk of them. I'm a big fan of NAW and I also liked the Ayo acquisition. I think from what I have seen from him he simply brings more juice on the offensive end especially attacking the basket and in transition. NAW more played like a bigger version of Tyus Jones or Mike Conley type carefully picking his spots playing a role on offense which can be pretty valuable. One of the issues the Wolves have had at times during the Edwards era is scoring and pushing the pace. Ayo provides these aspects right? I wish I had taken the time to watch more post Ayo trade regular season games.

[Wolvesfan21]

NAW was better in the regular season than Ayo was in the short time he was here. NAW was trash in the playoffs offensively for us. His defense was fantastic, although I think he got banged up in that Denver series when he ran into multiple Joker illegal screens which hurt him in the Dallas series. Now NAW never had the usage that Ayo has had in the playoffs these last two games. Through 4 playoff games with Atlanta, NAW is playing great defense and shooting threes great, but shot horribly from 2. Still time for NAW to turn that around in the series. Ayo was pretty poor defensively guarding Murray the first game, but has played better since.

Yeah defensively isn't really close. NAW was just so quick staying in front of whoever he was guarding, fighting through screens. One of the best defenders in the NBA as a guard. If his offense is simply alright he's such a positive player.

Thanks for all the responses.

Shouldn't it be acknowledged that Ayo so far is vastly superior to NAW offensively? I mean come on the efficiently is ridiculous and NOBODY here was demanding NAW take enough shots to score 20ppg. The guy did become more aggressive last year but wasn't exactly a guy anyone here though could be more than MAYBE a 16ppg guy. Ayo has basically showed this season he can probably be that type of guy and more.

Again I appreciate the thoughts here as I haven't watched Ayo a whole lot with the Wolves yet while most people have watched a pretty good chunk of them. I'm a big fan of NAW and I also liked the Ayo acquisition. I think from what I have seen from him he simply brings more juice on the offensive end especially attacking the basket and in transition. NAW more played like a bigger version of Tyus Jones or Mike Conley type carefully picking his spots playing a role on offense which can be pretty valuable. One of the issues the Wolves have had at times during the Edwards era is scoring and pushing the pace. Ayo provides these aspects right? I wish I had taken the time to watch more post Ayo trade regular season games.

Yeah maybe, but this season is a bit of an outlier as well for Ayo too. Is he from now on going to shoot as well as he did for this season never mind thoughts of him getting better? Every chance in the world he could get back to his career averages. So it makes me a bit scared to buy recent hype and form and expect that going forward. Defense I can see, thats very repeatable. One hot year shooting the ball can be an aberration.

[Monster]

Yeah defensively isn't really close. NAW was just so quick staying in front of whoever he was guarding, fighting through screens. One of the best defenders in the NBA as a guard. If his offense is simply alright he's such a positive player.

Thanks for all the responses.

Shouldn't it be acknowledged that Ayo so far is vastly superior to NAW offensively? I mean come on the efficiently is ridiculous and NOBODY here was demanding NAW take enough shots to score 20ppg. The guy did become more aggressive last year but wasn't exactly a guy anyone here though could be more than MAYBE a 16ppg guy. Ayo has basically showed this season he can probably be that type of guy and more.

Again I appreciate the thoughts here as I haven't watched Ayo a whole lot with the Wolves yet while most people have watched a pretty good chunk of them. I'm a big fan of NAW and I also liked the Ayo acquisition. I think from what I have seen from him he simply brings more juice on the offensive end especially attacking the basket and in transition. NAW more played like a bigger version of Tyus Jones or Mike Conley type carefully picking his spots playing a role on offense which can be pretty valuable. One of the issues the Wolves have had at times during the Edwards era is scoring and pushing the pace. Ayo provides these aspects right? I wish I had taken the time to watch more post Ayo trade regular season games.

Yeah maybe, but this season is a bit of an outlier as well for Ayo too. Is he from now on going to shoot as well as he did for this season never mind thoughts of him getting better? Every chance in the world he could get back to his career averages. So it makes me a bit scared to buy recent hype and form and expect that going forward. Defense I can see, thats very repeatable. One hot year shooting the ball can be an aberration.

I agree the Wolves should be somewhat cautious in what they are willing to pay him and I think they have shown some restraint in doing so for players like Randle Naz and NAW and even Anderson.

The 3 point shooting isn't just a 1 year thing but he does have a pattern of shooting well every other year. The thing is though he isn't a volume 3 guy which does lower his value when he takes them but he gets into the paint though right? I know Dane Moore has talked about for a couple years about how Finch really wants a guard that can break the paint and Conley's ability was diminished and then really diminished in that regard. It's also likely why he values Randle aside from him being a good player.

The thing I'll say about NAW is that what I have seen from him this year (a few games including 1 in person) is he is scoring more but he isn't doing anything all that wildly different from what he did here just playing his role and getting up more shots including what like at least % more 3's? He is playing more minutes obviously as well. I don't want to diminish what he has done and I haven't been following his games day to day. Still there is some value in a guy that does his thing fitting around others and in a game where I'm like he hasn't done that much on offense and then you notice he has 17 points in the game with some time left. I'd imagine his value in a trade would be VERY high this off-season although obviously Atlanta has zero reason to move him. Those fit around guards that can do everything (including defense) are pretty valuable.