Rate Finch

[BeenLurkin]

For sure a flawed test but the idea is that however you do the math it’s gonna be a low number. And to be fair I didn’t start out being an ass but wolvesfan21 keeps pushing man. I’m glad to have an informed and logical and calm discussion but they keep changing the game and trying to act like they know things and then not actually debating ethically.

I would love to set up a better analysis with defined parameters but to be honest math is not my strong suit. And Qualitative stats was 2 decades ago for me. Would be a fun little task for after the season when there’s nothing interesting happening besides golf.

I apologize to everyone besides wolvesfan21

[Wolvesfan21]

5 compared to the hundreds of coaching changes is in fact the definition of an outlier

Considering that only a little over a handful of coaches are new to a team each year and by far most coaches hired are on terrible teams, it's remarkable it's ever happened at all!!!

Think about the mega nuts Lore and Arod would have to have to fire Finch then go on to win it ALL within the next couple seasons. That would be crazy.

I very highly doubt Finch is fired no matter how the playoffs finish, I just don't see it happening. I think they give him one more year.

You’re such a flip flopper. It’s not an outlier! I’m surprised it happens at all! Which is it? Where are these dozens of examples? When in reality even the 4 you named have asterisk in my opinion. Phill hired from within isn’t the same as a new coach to the system

I'm surprised it happens at all because MOST coaches fired are from terrible teams. How is a 20 win team going to win the Finals the next year or even two? It's simply math. Your good teams are too scared USUALLY to fire their coach. Knicks did with Thibs for instance recently and they took a LOT of heat too. But it seems to be paying off pretty well.

Thats all I'm saying is the shitty teams fire their coaches way more often and thus have near zero chance to win it all in a short period of time. A coaching change doesn't really matter much when you don't have the star players.

[BeenLurkin]

Now that’s an actual statement. And it makes a lot of sense. That’s where the equation comes in of valuing star players in a top 100 ranking and weighting them and all that to. Then you could see how much roster value a team has when a new coach arrives and you can figure some difficulty value for wining a title with the roster.

IMO the wolves are close to having an immediate winner of a roster if Jaden ascends to a true top 40 or higher player and we can keep Rudy and Julius and their value doesn’t drop. It’s a tricky tight rope but inorder to eclipse OkC roster value we will have to make more shrewd moves. They have a super deep high end.

I still think that you’d find looking back though that high roster value paired with organic growth and stability in coaching usually is the highest frequency of success, but that is where opinion and research clash. I would love to put time into this and sorta figure it out.

[Wolvesfan21]

Heres the bottom line. We are not on a path to win a championship as is, not this year and not next with Finch as constructed (a big player trade could change things).

The players half ass it all regular season when they should be pushing to get better and compete for a championship. But they don't listen to Finch during the season and think they can just turn it on when they want and be champs. It's a flawed team, flawed thinking, and how much Finch is to blame, I'm not sure.

But what I do know is I'd take option B. Risk getting worse at the shot of getting better. Because as is, not good enough.

[Wolvesfan21]

Now that’s an actual statement. And it makes a lot of sense. That’s where the equation comes in of valuing star players in a top 100 ranking and weighting them and all that to. Then you could see how much roster value a team has when a new coach arrives and you can figure some difficulty value for wining a title with the roster.

IMO the wolves are close to having an immediate winner of a roster if Jaden ascends to a true top 40 or higher player and we can keep Rudy and Julius and their value doesn’t drop. It’s a tricky tight rope but inorder to eclipse OkC roster value we will have to make more shrewd moves. They have a super deep high end.

I still think that you’d find looking back though that high roster value paired with organic growth and stability in coaching usually is the highest frequency of success, but that is where opinion and research clash. I would love to put time into this and sorta figure it out.

If you did playoff teams with a coaching change then avg their results over the next two years. That would be more in the ballpark of where the Wolves are, where the Knicks were. Obviously every team is different and only one team can win per year so few chances ever exist in this metric. Plus if one dominant team exists like now with OKC, again, what are the odds a coaching change from the Knicks propels them for instance past the East and the West (likely OKC)? Pretty slim odds.

[guest81]

Heres the bottom line. We are not on a path to win a championship as is, not this year and not next with Finch as constructed (a big player trade could change things).

The players half ass it all regular season when they should be pushing to get better and compete for a championship. But they don't listen to Finch during the season and think they can just turn it on when they want and be champs. It's a flawed team, flawed thinking, and how much Finch is to blame, I'm not sure.

But what I do know is I'd take option B. Risk getting worse at the shot of getting better. Because as is, not good enough.

Not sure where this conclusion that they aren't on a path to a championship is from. They just beat a top 3 final contender she is up 1-0 on the second. It's also not like their core is full of old guys

[BeenLurkin]

https://medium.com/@johnchenmbb/the-nba ... 66675623d8

Here’s the article I spoke of. The say you need a top 10, top 25 and top 50 player.

OKC has Chet in top 25 and Jalen in top 50. Wolves don’t have a top 25 player. We have two In the top 50 with Rudy and Julius and Jaden is super close to 50. This is based on a few different power ranking season long websites last updated at the end of regular season. So I. Reality we are as close as Jaden mcdaniels can take us. That’s either his arrival as a true bad ass force we all see as his ceiling, or with a trade that involves him for Giannis or something that gets us that top 25 running mate.


Likeliehood of Jaden ascending or a new coach being better or worse all seems like a wash for me and I prefer a future that roll the dice that the path we are in and have been on bears fruit naturally without selling our souls for outside help and potentially disturbing or destroying the paradigm we have established. I’d rather Jaden fails and we fail together vs we trade Jaden and we win a one off title and the team falls apart and Jaden becomes a perennial winner somewhere else,

It’s a taste preference I guess. I prefer to be correct or incorrect on my own merits and getting the missing pieces somewhere else would taint the experience in my eyes. Jaden and Ant are basketball soul mates the way they seem and the owners will never split them up via trade in their current ci tract cycles.

[AussieWolf3]

Heres the bottom line. We are not on a path to win a championship as is, not this year and not next with Finch as constructed (a big player trade could change things).

The players half ass it all regular season when they should be pushing to get better and compete for a championship. But they don't listen to Finch during the season and think they can just turn it on when they want and be champs. It's a flawed team, flawed thinking, and how much Finch is to blame, I'm not sure.

But what I do know is I'd take option B. Risk getting worse at the shot of getting better. Because as is, not good enough.

I think maybe we ought to see how things play out before declaring that it's not good enough

[BeenLurkin]

Exactly! There’s no reason to say this team isn’t on the path. They literally just need Jaden to jump from The Ringers 56th best player to 25. Their blurb on him is “defensive maven whose offensive game is a work in progress”….his offense is progressing amazingly and In fact was his top asset as a prospect. It’s totally more likely to see his jump next season then it is to see him fetch us a player in that tier in their prime with a contract that works and that wants to be here and that is universally loved by the entire state!?!?

[BeenLurkin]

Also, Jalen Williams is week to week with a hamstring. There’s a big thing that hasn’t gotten us riled up yet! Their top 25 guy is out! They are vulnerable!