How far are you willing to go?

[AussieWolf3]

Team can't talk themselves into more losers like Randle, Ball or Morant.

Charlotte is a good trade partner for Rudy tho, great fit for them. I'd look up get expiring contracts and one (both!?) of their 1st

[AussieWolf3]

Feels like we got two off-season threads btw.
Any chance we can clean this up?

[Carlos Danger]

IMO, there is zero chance of anything resembling a "youth movement" happening. Guys need to win to keep their jobs. There are people on here who want to move on from Finch even though he's gotten us into the playoffs every single full season he's coached here. I get it, expectations change and we want to see the team take the next step. But anyone who's lived through the numerous lotto picks we've ran through during the during our losing years should understand that's like betting on the long shot.

I'm expecting changes. But no certainly no youth movement. They swung big and missed on Dilly. I wouldn't be surprised if they take a big swing at trading for a veteran PG this offseason - especially with DDV probably out for most if not all of next season.

[Q-is-here]

IMO, there is zero chance of anything resembling a "youth movement" happening. Guys need to win to keep their jobs. There are people on here who want to move on from Finch even though he's gotten us into the playoffs every single full season he's coached here. I get it, expectations change and we want to see the team take the next step. But anyone who's lived through the numerous lotto picks we've ran through during the during our losing years should understand that's like betting on the long shot.

I'm expecting changes. But no certainly no youth movement. They swung big and missed on Dilly. I wouldn't be surprised if they take a big swing at trading for a veteran PG this offseason - especially with DDV probably out for most if not all of next season.

Yup, I definitely see us being named in Kyrie Irving rumors and I don't think they will just be rumors.

[rapsuperstar31]

IMO, there is zero chance of anything resembling a "youth movement" happening. Guys need to win to keep their jobs. There are people on here who want to move on from Finch even though he's gotten us into the playoffs every single full season he's coached here. I get it, expectations change and we want to see the team take the next step. But anyone who's lived through the numerous lotto picks we've ran through during the during our losing years should understand that's like betting on the long shot.

I'm expecting changes. But no certainly no youth movement. They swung big and missed on Dilly. I wouldn't be surprised if they take a big swing at trading for a veteran PG this offseason - especially with DDV probably out for most if not all of next season.

Multiple articles are saying Joan considered one of the main four core in the eyes of Timberwolves owners and executives. Ant, Jaden, Naz, and Joan are considered the core four.

[Wolvesfan21]

One thing that's definitely different than I remember growing up is the idea of tanking or going young and building that way. I'm not saying fans in the 1900's didn't clamour for young players to play but it does feel different. I'm not saying it's bad but it's a little different. Of course the recognition and reality of getting higher picks as well as salary considerations drive these ideas which makes sense.

Anyway my question is what if the Wolves trade off pieces and try to build with mostly young players? How far are you willing to go? Are their sole lesser vets you would keep around like a Conley to show players how it's done?

I guess the thing for me is first of all how much are you getting back for a Randle or Gobert and does it really accomplish the goal I had in mind.

Is a Beringer or even to some extent Rocco anywhere near being able to contribute next season? How do you balance giving young guys opportunities compared to being thrown into the fire too much? How much do you consider guys making a jump that aren't like super young. Guys like NAW Ayo are examples of guys that improved well past 25 years old. Finding youngish players that haven't quite found their spot in the league seems like something Connelly has been able to do.

With our lack of picks and Ant entering his prime the time to go all in is now. Trying to keep Ant and tank for picks we don't have isn't an option. Besides, typically you need the number 1 pick to get a superstar, or get pretty lucky in the draft. No gaurantees as we know with our history of Wiggins/Wes Johnsons/McCant/Laettners/name another 30 MN draft picks/etc......

I can see trading Gobert and Randle and trying to get younger that way while also giving yourself a better chance against Wemby (if he stays healthy which is probably 50/50 ish). But as we've seen Ju and Rudy were highly diminished because what they are really good even great at, Wemby is an All Time freakazoid. Being great doesn't matter when the other guy is even better and neutralizes you.

Wemby is a problem for every team in the West going forward. It use to be just worry about Jokic a few years back. Not anymore. Plus OKC requires a high pace spread em out 3P dagger offense really too.

I really think TC will look to trade both.

[Wolvesfan21]

IMO, there is zero chance of anything resembling a "youth movement" happening. Guys need to win to keep their jobs. There are people on here who want to move on from Finch even though he's gotten us into the playoffs every single full season he's coached here. I get it, expectations change and we want to see the team take the next step. But anyone who's lived through the numerous lotto picks we've ran through during the during our losing years should understand that's like betting on the long shot.

I'm expecting changes. But no certainly no youth movement. They swung big and missed on Dilly. I wouldn't be surprised if they take a big swing at trading for a veteran PG this offseason - especially with DDV probably out for most if not all of next season.

As Conley fell off a cliff for most of the year (looked OK in the playoffs at times), his deterioration was a major blow. Ant couldn't fill the shoes and do everything on offense, especially after Ju's game went into the dungeon.

I agree that a vet PG makes sense. I keep mentioning Kyrie if you can get him, otherwise budget version of. But we can't go into next year asking Ant to carry that much load again. We need another playmaker/scorer besides him.

[AussieWolf3]

IMO, there is zero chance of anything resembling a "youth movement" happening. Guys need to win to keep their jobs. There are people on here who want to move on from Finch even though he's gotten us into the playoffs every single full season he's coached here. I get it, expectations change and we want to see the team take the next step. But anyone who's lived through the numerous lotto picks we've ran through during the during our losing years should understand that's like betting on the long shot.

I'm expecting changes. But no certainly no youth movement. They swung big and missed on Dilly. I wouldn't be surprised if they take a big swing at trading for a veteran PG this offseason - especially with DDV probably out for most if not all of next season.

As Conley fell off a cliff for most of the year (looked OK in the playoffs at times), his deterioration was a major blow. Ant couldn't fill the shoes and do everything on offense, especially after Ju's game went into the dungeon.

I agree that a vet PG makes sense. I keep mentioning Kyrie if you can get him, otherwise budget version of. But we can't go into next year asking Ant to carry that much load again. We need another playmaker/scorer besides him.

I'm not gonna rehash our previous discussions we just don't see eye to eye on some of this stuff and that completely fine, but what I keep coming back to with the whole point guard thing and what I keep having a hard time with is: I don't see how they can get that player next to Ant. I just don't.

Maybe Kyrie can be that and I understand the appeal, but even with him, how long will that even be for? Two year tops?

This may not fill a lot of people with hope but the only real path forward is that Ant has to be the adult on the court. He has to run the game plan and be an extension of the coach and be a better play maker. Yes, even if he does that you still need a better ball handler next to him than Jaden, Ayo, or TJ but they're just not going to force their way into getting a real point guard cause there's barely any of them left in the league.
Ant has to do it, thats the only way this thing really unlocks in my opinion and maybe that just not possible but I don't see how they get somebody on the team who can be that running mate I just don't.

Can someone please give me a good reason for how I'm wrong? I'd really like to be lol

[thedoper]

Im willing to go all the way to stripping this team down to Ant and Jaden personally. I think Jaden stepped up and show the world his value this offseason. Everyone else is a crapshoot on this team unfortunately. The gamble did not pay off with Ants injury. I am fine with them moving anyone else, its time for Ant and Jaden to have all the pressure as leaders. If one or two of the three bigs stay that is fine, but we need a new vision in my opinion.

[Wolvesfan21]

IMO, there is zero chance of anything resembling a "youth movement" happening. Guys need to win to keep their jobs. There are people on here who want to move on from Finch even though he's gotten us into the playoffs every single full season he's coached here. I get it, expectations change and we want to see the team take the next step. But anyone who's lived through the numerous lotto picks we've ran through during the during our losing years should understand that's like betting on the long shot.

I'm expecting changes. But no certainly no youth movement. They swung big and missed on Dilly. I wouldn't be surprised if they take a big swing at trading for a veteran PG this offseason - especially with DDV probably out for most if not all of next season.

As Conley fell off a cliff for most of the year (looked OK in the playoffs at times), his deterioration was a major blow. Ant couldn't fill the shoes and do everything on offense, especially after Ju's game went into the dungeon.

I agree that a vet PG makes sense. I keep mentioning Kyrie if you can get him, otherwise budget version of. But we can't go into next year asking Ant to carry that much load again. We need another playmaker/scorer besides him.

I'm not gonna rehash our previous discussions we just don't see eye to eye on some of this stuff and that completely fine, but what I keep coming back to with the whole point guard thing and what I keep having a hard time with is: I don't see how they can get that player next to Ant. I just don't.

Maybe Kyrie can be that and I understand the appeal, but even with him, how long will that even be for? Two year tops?

This may not fill a lot of people with hope but the only real path forward is that Ant has to be the adult on the court. He has to run the game plan and be an extension of the coach and be a better play maker. Yes, even if he does that you still need a better ball handler next to him than Jaden, Ayo, or TJ but they're just not going to force their way into getting a real point guard cause there's barely any of them left in the league.
Ant has to do it, thats the only way this thing really unlocks in my opinion and maybe that just not possible but I don't see how they get somebody on the team who can be that running mate I just don't.

Can someone please give me a good reason for how I'm wrong? I'd really like to be lol

Can that really work with Finch? All year he's said the players (himself probably included) don't listen to Finch. Don't follow the coaching or game plans. Or is he singling out Ju for instance? I don't think it's only Ju because Finch has wanted Ant to play quicker for years, yet he doesn't want to learn that skill. He wants to play slow and ISO, do his own thing, he even ignores Finchies plays all the time. They really don't see eye to eye on the court.

The more I keep thinking about it the more convinced I am that Finch is a goner. When your best player says we don't listen to coach, it's a done deal.