What do we need?

[Coolbreeze44]

I had to look up who Wiggins played for this season. I can see his fit here. I just forgot where he was... and I follow the NBA pretty well, or so I thought.

I'd waive Wiggins so fast there wouldn't be time to make the jersey.


Underachieving is one thing. I can't respect someone dogging it the way Wiggins did. He's gonna come back and try now? He's gonna pinky swear A-Rod and Lore this time? He's gonna come back and be the Wiggins that all of a sudden decided rebounds were fun in Golden State? Find someone else whose motivation and effort I can't question.

Ha, I understand the bitter feelings Wildwolf. It reflects just how polarizing Wiggins was while he was here, especially on our predecessor Enjin board - even more than Ant is now. Except Mr. Objectivity Cool was on the "Wiggins will be the next Jordan!" side of that debate. Whoops!

While I'd be wary of Wiggins tendency to disappear and dog it at times, keep in mind that he'd be in an entirely different role than back in the day when he promised Glen Taylor he'd try hard. We also have to be realistic about what we can get for Randle and I certainly don't want some other underachieving malcontent. Wiggins seems to have settled into a pretty reliable and low-maintenance player at this point in his career. Ambivalent at times - yes - but not moody.

Q, You're not even above slander now I see. I loved Wiggins, still do. But never said he would be the next Jordan. I think we all hoped that.

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I'd waive Wiggins so fast there wouldn't be time to make the jersey.


Underachieving is one thing. I can't respect someone dogging it the way Wiggins did. He's gonna come back and try now? He's gonna pinky swear A-Rod and Lore this time? He's gonna come back and be the Wiggins that all of a sudden decided rebounds were fun in Golden State? Find someone else whose motivation and effort I can't question.

Ha, I understand the bitter feelings Wildwolf. It reflects just how polarizing Wiggins was while he was here, especially on our predecessor Enjin board - even more than Ant is now. Except Mr. Objectivity Cool was on the "Wiggins will be the next Jordan!" side of that debate. Whoops!

While I'd be wary of Wiggins tendency to disappear and dog it at times, keep in mind that he'd be in an entirely different role than back in the day when he promised Glen Taylor he'd try hard. We also have to be realistic about what we can get for Randle and I certainly don't want some other underachieving malcontent. Wiggins seems to have settled into a pretty reliable and low-maintenance player at this point in his career. Ambivalent at times - yes - but not moody.

Q, You're not even above slander now I see. I loved Wiggins, still do. But never said he would be the next Jordan. I think we all hoped that.

I'm perhaps exaggerating a bit, but I find it ironic how resistant and sensitive you were to Wiggins criticism back then and now see yourself as the fake voice of reason and objectivity when it comes to Ant.

[AussieWolf3]

Going back to Aussie's request from the other thread (the one that has devolved into yet another Ant debate, LOL) for some more "obscure" names to target in free agency or via trade:

1. Andrew Wiggins - This is KiwiMatt's idea and not a bad one. I believe it's Randle for Wiggins pretty much straight up. Wiggins has quietly developed into a very solid 3&D wing after failing as a #1/#2 type option earlier in his career. He could offload some of Jaden's POA defensive responsibilities and allow us to play a switchy, more positionless defense.

2. Collin Gillespie - He's an unrestricted free agent and definitely fits the "connective tissue" type player Finch alluded to in his exit interview. He sort of fits that Tyus Jones/(older) Mike Conley mode of game manager PG, except he's a little bigger than both of them (6'1.5" and 195 lbs. in the combine a few years ago). Could possibly be had for the MLE and either be a token starter that gets subbed in by Ayo early or comes off the bench to sub for Ayo. Either way, a very solid 25-28 MPG player that enables positive things to happen while on the floor but just can't handle a lot of usage.

3. Zach Collins - Another unrestricted free agent whose injuries have basically made him a part-time player. Still, I like his toughness and size. Could be a good vet to share the C role with Beringer if we trade Rudy. Also, he's been gradually developing a 3-point stroke that could continue to improve. I also think he'd come quite cheap.

Phenom mentioned Myles Turner, who is hardly obscure, but an obvious fit if you are talking about trying to create a 5-out offense. In fact, don't be surprised if all the Giannis smoke ends up actually delivering Myles Turner to us and routing Giannis somewhere else with Rudy on the go as well!

Good stuff!

I am with you on Wiggins, seems really obvious actually.

Honestly I just assumed Phoenix wasn't gonna let Gillespie walk, but he would be great as well.

I don't really get it with Turner the player but theoretically it's a good fit.

I saw something tonight for someone talking about the Spurs and Thunder being so well built around their star players and this should be the only goal for the Wolves.

I completely agree, but I'm not enough of an Xs and Os guy to know what that really looks like. I can pretend I do, but in reality I'd be bullshiting. So I'm curious what other would suggest for that

I know the 5 out offense has been brought up a lot, but what does that entail as far as player acquisitions and current players? Are we sure that's the ideal fit? I'm not personally.

I'd honestly love to see what people could come up with if you had the freedom to build an ideal roster that's at least reasonably realistic, meaning within cap limitations or close enough.

I'll give a half ass effort

PG- I'll start off cheating and pick prime Mike Conley because I simply cannot think of a better point guard for Ant and the team in general

SF - Assur Thompson
PF- Jaden McDaniels
C - Kristaps Porzingas

I didn't think too hard about it but that's what I got

[AussieWolf3]

Would Kevin Porter Jr be a low key good addition? Statically he came out and had great year, but I don't know a ton about him.

I think Sexton would be a good addition to come off the bench as well but he'd probably be too expensive

Edit: did a good ol Google search... Nevermind on Porter....

[Q-is-here]

Going back to Aussie's request from the other thread (the one that has devolved into yet another Ant debate, LOL) for some more "obscure" names to target in free agency or via trade:

1. Andrew Wiggins - This is KiwiMatt's idea and not a bad one. I believe it's Randle for Wiggins pretty much straight up. Wiggins has quietly developed into a very solid 3&D wing after failing as a #1/#2 type option earlier in his career. He could offload some of Jaden's POA defensive responsibilities and allow us to play a switchy, more positionless defense.

2. Collin Gillespie - He's an unrestricted free agent and definitely fits the "connective tissue" type player Finch alluded to in his exit interview. He sort of fits that Tyus Jones/(older) Mike Conley mode of game manager PG, except he's a little bigger than both of them (6'1.5" and 195 lbs. in the combine a few years ago). Could possibly be had for the MLE and either be a token starter that gets subbed in by Ayo early or comes off the bench to sub for Ayo. Either way, a very solid 25-28 MPG player that enables positive things to happen while on the floor but just can't handle a lot of usage.

3. Zach Collins - Another unrestricted free agent whose injuries have basically made him a part-time player. Still, I like his toughness and size. Could be a good vet to share the C role with Beringer if we trade Rudy. Also, he's been gradually developing a 3-point stroke that could continue to improve. I also think he'd come quite cheap.

Phenom mentioned Myles Turner, who is hardly obscure, but an obvious fit if you are talking about trying to create a 5-out offense. In fact, don't be surprised if all the Giannis smoke ends up actually delivering Myles Turner to us and routing Giannis somewhere else with Rudy on the go as well!

Good stuff!

I am with you on Wiggins, seems really obvious actually.

Honestly I just assumed Phoenix wasn't gonna let Gillespie walk, but he would be great as well.

I don't really get it with Turner the player but theoretically it's a good fit.

I saw something tonight for someone talking about the Spurs and Thunder being so well built around their star players and this should be the only goal for the Wolves.

I completely agree, but I'm not enough of an Xs and Os guy to know what that really looks like. I can pretend I do, but in reality I'd be bullshiting. So I'm curious what other would suggest for that

I know the 5 out offense has been brought up a lot, but what does that entail as far as player acquisitions and current players? Are we sure that's the ideal fit? I'm not personally.

I'd honestly love to see what people could come up with if you had the freedom to build an ideal roster that's at least reasonably realistic, meaning within cap limitations or close enough.

I'll give a half ass effort

PG- I'll start off cheating and pick prime Mike Conley because I simply cannot think of a better point guard for Ant and the team in general

SF - Assur Thompson
PF- Jaden McDaniels
C - Kristaps Porzingas

I didn't think too hard about it but that's what I got

Basically take Boston's roster from a couple seasons ago and insert Ant into it in place of Jaylen Brown. That's the ideal roster for him.

[AussieWolf3]

Going back to Aussie's request from the other thread (the one that has devolved into yet another Ant debate, LOL) for some more "obscure" names to target in free agency or via trade:

1. Andrew Wiggins - This is KiwiMatt's idea and not a bad one. I believe it's Randle for Wiggins pretty much straight up. Wiggins has quietly developed into a very solid 3&D wing after failing as a #1/#2 type option earlier in his career. He could offload some of Jaden's POA defensive responsibilities and allow us to play a switchy, more positionless defense.

2. Collin Gillespie - He's an unrestricted free agent and definitely fits the "connective tissue" type player Finch alluded to in his exit interview. He sort of fits that Tyus Jones/(older) Mike Conley mode of game manager PG, except he's a little bigger than both of them (6'1.5" and 195 lbs. in the combine a few years ago). Could possibly be had for the MLE and either be a token starter that gets subbed in by Ayo early or comes off the bench to sub for Ayo. Either way, a very solid 25-28 MPG player that enables positive things to happen while on the floor but just can't handle a lot of usage.

3. Zach Collins - Another unrestricted free agent whose injuries have basically made him a part-time player. Still, I like his toughness and size. Could be a good vet to share the C role with Beringer if we trade Rudy. Also, he's been gradually developing a 3-point stroke that could continue to improve. I also think he'd come quite cheap.

Phenom mentioned Myles Turner, who is hardly obscure, but an obvious fit if you are talking about trying to create a 5-out offense. In fact, don't be surprised if all the Giannis smoke ends up actually delivering Myles Turner to us and routing Giannis somewhere else with Rudy on the go as well!

Good stuff!

I am with you on Wiggins, seems really obvious actually.

Honestly I just assumed Phoenix wasn't gonna let Gillespie walk, but he would be great as well.

I don't really get it with Turner the player but theoretically it's a good fit.

I saw something tonight for someone talking about the Spurs and Thunder being so well built around their star players and this should be the only goal for the Wolves.

I completely agree, but I'm not enough of an Xs and Os guy to know what that really looks like. I can pretend I do, but in reality I'd be bullshiting. So I'm curious what other would suggest for that

I know the 5 out offense has been brought up a lot, but what does that entail as far as player acquisitions and current players? Are we sure that's the ideal fit? I'm not personally.

I'd honestly love to see what people could come up with if you had the freedom to build an ideal roster that's at least reasonably realistic, meaning within cap limitations or close enough.

I'll give a half ass effort

PG- I'll start off cheating and pick prime Mike Conley because I simply cannot think of a better point guard for Ant and the team in general

SF - Assur Thompson
PF- Jaden McDaniels
C - Kristaps Porzingas

I didn't think too hard about it but that's what I got

Basically take Boston's roster from a couple seasons ago and insert Ant into it in place of Jaylen Brown. That's the ideal roster for him.

I was hoping for a 2nd opinion since that's been mentioned quite a bit

[60WinTim]

As far as the frontcourt goes, I think people are over looking the impact Rocco could have. A big with legit length that can shoot the 3. He's a year or two from playing a lot of minutes, but he could make contributions in short stints, maybe as early as next year.

If Randle is moved, I can see Finch having to incorporate both Joan and Rocco into the rotation. I don't know where else SloMo would go, so he could be back to provide depth, along with whoever else TC picks up for depth.

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Good stuff!

I am with you on Wiggins, seems really obvious actually.

Honestly I just assumed Phoenix wasn't gonna let Gillespie walk, but he would be great as well.

I don't really get it with Turner the player but theoretically it's a good fit.

I saw something tonight for someone talking about the Spurs and Thunder being so well built around their star players and this should be the only goal for the Wolves.

I completely agree, but I'm not enough of an Xs and Os guy to know what that really looks like. I can pretend I do, but in reality I'd be bullshiting. So I'm curious what other would suggest for that

I know the 5 out offense has been brought up a lot, but what does that entail as far as player acquisitions and current players? Are we sure that's the ideal fit? I'm not personally.

I'd honestly love to see what people could come up with if you had the freedom to build an ideal roster that's at least reasonably realistic, meaning within cap limitations or close enough.

I'll give a half ass effort

PG- I'll start off cheating and pick prime Mike Conley because I simply cannot think of a better point guard for Ant and the team in general

SF - Assur Thompson
PF- Jaden McDaniels
C - Kristaps Porzingas

I didn't think too hard about it but that's what I got

Basically take Boston's roster from a couple seasons ago and insert Ant into it in place of Jaylen Brown. That's the ideal roster for him.

I was hoping for a 2nd opinion since that's been mentioned quite a bit

Ha, understood. I think he would do well in OKC's offense too, which is also almost exclusively 5-out with the exception of when iHart is in the game, but even he is a threat to score on the short roll with that push shot of his. JWill (the backup Center) and Chet both can space the floor and often pop out to the perimeter after screens.

I'm not sure what kind of offense is better for Ant given the fact he isn't a great off-ball mover/cutter or pick and roll maestro, but excels as a shooter and isolation scorer at all three levels. He needs lots and lots of space.

It's funny how people talk about how much Ant needs to develop a two-man game with someone, yet neither OKC or the Spurs have some brilliant two-man synergistic offensive pairing. Everyone points to Jokic and Murray or Draymond and Steph, but those pairings are very much the exception, not the rule.

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As far as the frontcourt goes, I think people are over looking the impact Rocco could have. A big with legit length that can shoot the 3. He's a year or two from playing a lot of minutes, but he could make contributions in short stints, maybe as early as next year.

If Randle is moved, I can see Finch having to incorporate both Joan and Rocco into the rotation. I don't know where else SloMo would go, so he could be back to provide depth, along with whoever else TC picks up for depth.

He has potential to shoot the 3, but he hasn't demonstrated it yet consistently. I like the freedom they gave him in the G-League to shoot it though. I think the front office knows that a dude that tall that can play drop coverage defensively and then go hit 3's at the other end could be really, really valuable.

[Coolbreeze44]

Good stuff!

I am with you on Wiggins, seems really obvious actually.

Honestly I just assumed Phoenix wasn't gonna let Gillespie walk, but he would be great as well.

I don't really get it with Turner the player but theoretically it's a good fit.

I saw something tonight for someone talking about the Spurs and Thunder being so well built around their star players and this should be the only goal for the Wolves.

I completely agree, but I'm not enough of an Xs and Os guy to know what that really looks like. I can pretend I do, but in reality I'd be bullshiting. So I'm curious what other would suggest for that

I know the 5 out offense has been brought up a lot, but what does that entail as far as player acquisitions and current players? Are we sure that's the ideal fit? I'm not personally.

I'd honestly love to see what people could come up with if you had the freedom to build an ideal roster that's at least reasonably realistic, meaning within cap limitations or close enough.

I'll give a half ass effort

PG- I'll start off cheating and pick prime Mike Conley because I simply cannot think of a better point guard for Ant and the team in general

SF - Assur Thompson
PF- Jaden McDaniels
C - Kristaps Porzingas

I didn't think too hard about it but that's what I got

Basically take Boston's roster from a couple seasons ago and insert Ant into it in place of Jaylen Brown. That's the ideal roster for him.

I was hoping for a 2nd opinion since that's been mentioned quite a bit

I'd give you one Aussie, but I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. I won't waste your time.