Which deal(s) do you like best

[Lipoli390]

If the latest Windhorst rumor about Ant's thoughts about the roster is true, it seems like the options most here wanted (trade Ju for role players or cap space) are not what Ant wants...

Is this what we're actually supposed to take from the supposed report?
It's a bunch of vague shit from the national media that the local beat could have told you weeks ago. Of course he's not happy with the roster, cause he not an idiot and see what we all see. We have no idea what he actually thinks should be done about it.
And if the FO wants to go all in on the 27' season and bring in Kyrie, they'll be sure to regret it. Not because it can't work, but because all in moves for one season are such a fucking gamble and if it doesn't work you're completely stretched out and don't really have much you can do except hope for miraculous organic growth

Aussie, I think there's a big difference between a star player wanting the roster to be better, and telling Windy or Shams you want the roster to be better. NBA players, even NBA players who aren't very bright, know that if you want to stir things up, you talk to one of the leakers. TC has a choice here: he can ignore Ant's "public" comment and risk what happens to so many teams when their "superstar" is unhappy (#countlessExamplesOfStarsAskingToGetOut) or listen to what he wants and try to make the best deal he can, if he believes the team's best chance to win a chip is keeping Ant happy. The ball is in TC's court...how he responds will tell us a lot about what he thinks about Ant.

Actually, FNG, I don’t know what happens. Ant has three seasons left on is contract. Maybe he starts agitating for a trade next summer if things don’t develop to his liking. My thought is - so what. The worst that can happen is that he goes Jimmy Butler on us, but does anyone really think he’ll do that? The Wolves could keep him under those circumstances and see what happens the next seasons. He’s not going anywhere. Or the Wolves could trade him. It’s not like he’ll go cheap just because teams know he wants to be traded. There will be a long line of teams competing with one another to get him. It’s rare to have the chance to acquire a star at age 26 or 27. He’ll be a super hot commodity. So nothing about Ant’s comments changes anything in my view.

[Wolvesfan21]

If the latest Windhorst rumor about Ant's thoughts about the roster is true, it seems like the options most here wanted (trade Ju for role players or cap space) are not what Ant wants...

Is this what we're actually supposed to take from the supposed report?
It's a bunch of vague shit from the national media that the local beat could have told you weeks ago. Of course he's not happy with the roster, cause he not an idiot and see what we all see. We have no idea what he actually thinks should be done about it.
And if the FO wants to go all in on the 27' season and bring in Kyrie, they'll be sure to regret it. Not because it can't work, but because all in moves for one season are such a fucking gamble and if it doesn't work you're completely stretched out and don't really have much you can do except hope for miraculous organic growth

Why would Kyrie be a one year deal? I never thought of it but anything but a 3-4 year type of one. I always imagined extending him for a couple more based on the potential trade agreement, bringing him in till age 37 maybe 38. I mean, it's not like he's retiring next season. The guy is still arguably one of the the most skilled BB player in the NBA. A year off, sure some rust. But he's just too skilled, too talented, he's going to bounce back.

[Wolvesfan21]

Is this what we're actually supposed to take from the supposed report?
It's a bunch of vague shit from the national media that the local beat could have told you weeks ago. Of course he's not happy with the roster, cause he not an idiot and see what we all see. We have no idea what he actually thinks should be done about it.
And if the FO wants to go all in on the 27' season and bring in Kyrie, they'll be sure to regret it. Not because it can't work, but because all in moves for one season are such a fucking gamble and if it doesn't work you're completely stretched out and don't really have much you can do except hope for miraculous organic growth

Aussie, I think there's a big difference between a star player wanting the roster to be better, and telling Windy or Shams you want the roster to be better. NBA players, even NBA players who aren't very bright, know that if you want to stir things up, you talk to one of the leakers. TC has a choice here: he can ignore Ant's "public" comment and risk what happens to so many teams when their "superstar" is unhappy (#countlessExamplesOfStarsAskingToGetOut) or listen to what he wants and try to make the best deal he can, if he believes the team's best chance to win a chip is keeping Ant happy. The ball is in TC's court...how he responds will tell us a lot about what he thinks about Ant.

Actually, FNG, I don’t know what happens. Ant has three seasons left on is contract. Maybe he starts agitating for a trade next summer if things don’t develop to his liking. My thought is - so what. The worst that can happen is that he goes Jimmy Butler on us, but does anyone really think he’ll do that? The Wolves could keep him under those circumstances and see what happens the next seasons. He’s not going anywhere. Or the Wolves could trade him. It’s not like he’ll go cheap just because teams know he wants to be traded. There will be a long line of teams competing with one another to get him. It’s rare to have the chance to acquire a star at age 26 or 27. He’ll be a super hot commodity. So nothing about Ant’s comments changes anything in my view.

If the risk is you need to compete now or rebuild, then fricken go for it. Don't half ass a trade for some low end starter or starters hoping they all of a sudden become great. I'd just go for it. Option rebuild is a far riskier plan then betting on Kawhi, Giannis, Zion or Kyrie playing with Ant. We should know that going what two decades of rebuilding after KG left?

You got the guy now, now is not the time to play it safe.

[AussieWolf3]

Is this what we're actually supposed to take from the supposed report?
It's a bunch of vague shit from the national media that the local beat could have told you weeks ago. Of course he's not happy with the roster, cause he not an idiot and see what we all see. We have no idea what he actually thinks should be done about it.
And if the FO wants to go all in on the 27' season and bring in Kyrie, they'll be sure to regret it. Not because it can't work, but because all in moves for one season are such a fucking gamble and if it doesn't work you're completely stretched out and don't really have much you can do except hope for miraculous organic growth

Aussie, I think there's a big difference between a star player wanting the roster to be better, and telling Windy or Shams you want the roster to be better. NBA players, even NBA players who aren't very bright, know that if you want to stir things up, you talk to one of the leakers. TC has a choice here: he can ignore Ant's "public" comment and risk what happens to so many teams when their "superstar" is unhappy (#countlessExamplesOfStarsAskingToGetOut) or listen to what he wants and try to make the best deal he can, if he believes the team's best chance to win a chip is keeping Ant happy. The ball is in TC's court...how he responds will tell us a lot about what he thinks about Ant.

Actually, FNG, I don’t know what happens. Ant has three seasons left on is contract. Maybe he starts agitating for a trade next summer if things don’t develop to his liking. My thought is - so what. The worst that can happen is that he goes Jimmy Butler on us, but does anyone really think he’ll do that? The Wolves could keep him under those circumstances and see what happens the next seasons. He’s not going anywhere. Or the Wolves could trade him. It’s not like he’ll go cheap just because teams know he wants to be traded. There will be a long line of teams competing with one another to get him. It’s rare to have the chance to acquire a star at age 26 or 27. He’ll be a super hot commodity. So nothing about Ant’s comments change anything in my view.

All we can gather from Ant's supposed comments is that he doesn't want to run it back ... Real shocker -__-

So what I'm pushing back on is the idea that any of this mean that TC and Co HAVE to do anything in particular now.

Ant's input should be weighed in my opinion not for who should attained but as to how he wants to play and what he thinks will be the most helpful for him

[AussieWolf3]

Aussie, I think there's a big difference between a star player wanting the roster to be better, and telling Windy or Shams you want the roster to be better. NBA players, even NBA players who aren't very bright, know that if you want to stir things up, you talk to one of the leakers. TC has a choice here: he can ignore Ant's "public" comment and risk what happens to so many teams when their "superstar" is unhappy (#countlessExamplesOfStarsAskingToGetOut) or listen to what he wants and try to make the best deal he can, if he believes the team's best chance to win a chip is keeping Ant happy. The ball is in TC's court...how he responds will tell us a lot about what he thinks about Ant.

Actually, FNG, I don’t know what happens. Ant has three seasons left on is contract. Maybe he starts agitating for a trade next summer if things don’t develop to his liking. My thought is - so what. The worst that can happen is that he goes Jimmy Butler on us, but does anyone really think he’ll do that? The Wolves could keep him under those circumstances and see what happens the next seasons. He’s not going anywhere. Or the Wolves could trade him. It’s not like he’ll go cheap just because teams know he wants to be traded. There will be a long line of teams competing with one another to get him. It’s rare to have the chance to acquire a star at age 26 or 27. He’ll be a super hot commodity. So nothing about Ant’s comments changes anything in my view.

If the risk is you need to compete now or rebuild, then fricken go for it. Don't half ass a trade for some low end starter or starters hoping they all of a sudden become great. I'd just go for it. Option rebuild is a far riskier plan then betting on Kawhi, Giannis, Zion or Kyrie playing with Ant. We should know that going what two decades of rebuilding after KG left?

You got the guy now, now is not the time to play it safe.

What precedent is there that this works?
Hell even with the Knicks, it's not like they bet it all on past their prime superstars and even with Bridges and OG, neither were established stars and OG is still wildly underrated.
You can go all in on Ant without sending YOLO flares to the moon

[Wolvesfan21]

Actually, FNG, I don’t know what happens. Ant has three seasons left on is contract. Maybe he starts agitating for a trade next summer if things don’t develop to his liking. My thought is - so what. The worst that can happen is that he goes Jimmy Butler on us, but does anyone really think he’ll do that? The Wolves could keep him under those circumstances and see what happens the next seasons. He’s not going anywhere. Or the Wolves could trade him. It’s not like he’ll go cheap just because teams know he wants to be traded. There will be a long line of teams competing with one another to get him. It’s rare to have the chance to acquire a star at age 26 or 27. He’ll be a super hot commodity. So nothing about Ant’s comments changes anything in my view.

If the risk is you need to compete now or rebuild, then fricken go for it. Don't half ass a trade for some low end starter or starters hoping they all of a sudden become great. I'd just go for it. Option rebuild is a far riskier plan then betting on Kawhi, Giannis, Zion or Kyrie playing with Ant. We should know that going what two decades of rebuilding after KG left?

You got the guy now, now is not the time to play it safe.

What precedent is there that this works?
Hell even with the Knicks, it's not like they bet it all on past their prime superstars and even with Bridges and OG, neither were established stars and OG is still wildly underrated.
You can go all in on Ant without sending YOLO flares to the moon

I'm sending off yolo flares or rebuilding. I don't give two poos about being a middling squad (non lotto / non contender or hope to contend).

[Q-is-here]

We have to differentiate the types of risks each of the possible deals for a bigger fish represent:

Kyrie, Kawhi, and AD- Age and Injury risk
Zion - Character and Injury risk
Ja - Character, Injury, and is-he-even-that-good-anymore risk
Giannis - Asset depletion and injury risk

On Giannis in particular, we shouldn't underestimate the three year age difference between him and Kyrie/Kawhi/AD. When healthy, he is still an MVP-caliber player and there is no reason to think he experiences much of a dropoff over the next two to three seasons. I still think Connelly and the Wolves are in the mix for him.

[Lipoli390]

If the risk is you need to compete now or rebuild, then fricken go for it. Don't half ass a trade for some low end starter or starters hoping they all of a sudden become great. I'd just go for it. Option rebuild is a far riskier plan then betting on Kawhi, Giannis, Zion or Kyrie playing with Ant. We should know that going what two decades of rebuilding after KG left?

You got the guy now, now is not the time to play it safe.

What precedent is there that this works?
Hell even with the Knicks, it's not like they bet it all on past their prime superstars and even with Bridges and OG, neither were established stars and OG is still wildly underrated.
You can go all in on Ant without sending YOLO flares to the moon

I'm sending off yolo flares or rebuilding. I don't give two poos about being a middling squad (non lotto / non contender or hope to contend).

Trading for a former star player in his mid 30s coming off a major reconstructive surgery who has averaged less than 50 games per season even when only in his 20s and early 30s is what losing organizations do. History tells us that approach is almost certain to fail. I’ll note that the Suns were actually better AFTER they traded Durant and Durant is a better, slightly more durable player than Kyrie.

Tim Connelly is a smart, highly respected NBA executive. We should expect more from him than what any of us can come up with, including a hale Mary type move that history tells us is almost certain to fail. TC’s tenure here so far has been mixed, but I still trust his ability to make savvy moves this summer that take this team up a notch. I also continue to believe TC got it right with TSJ, Ayo and Beringer and that we’ll start to see those acquisitions bear fruit next season.

[Wolvesfan21]

What precedent is there that this works?
Hell even with the Knicks, it's not like they bet it all on past their prime superstars and even with Bridges and OG, neither were established stars and OG is still wildly underrated.
You can go all in on Ant without sending YOLO flares to the moon

I'm sending off yolo flares or rebuilding. I don't give two poos about being a middling squad (non lotto / non contender or hope to contend).

Trading for a former star player in his mid 30s coming off a major reconstructive surgery who has averaged less than 50 games per season even when only in his 20s and early 30s is what losing organizations do. History tells us that approach is almost certain to fail. I’ll note that the Suns were actually better AFTER they traded Durant and Durant is a better, slightly more durable player than Kyrie.

Tim Connelly is a smart, highly respected NBA executive. We should expect more from him than what any of us can come up with, including a hale Mary type move that history tells us is almost certain to fail. TC’s tenure here so far has been mixed, but I still trust his ability to make savvy moves this summer that take this team up a notch. I also continue to believe TC got it right with TSJ, Ayo and Beringer and that we’ll start to see those acquisitions bear fruit next season.

Brooks had a nice year I think, a bit better then we probably expected. I thought he looked good against us anyways, skill wise I thought he took a jump.

Sure maybe TC can find a player ready to break out, but he'd have to break out even more then Brooks. I still would bet on an older elite talented guy coming back to close to full strength. All those games off all those years means he's fresh too. Kyrie that is. A year off to rehab, probably wasn't a bad thing for a guy ready to make a final career remembering run into his mid 30's.

[60WinTim]

I'm sending off yolo flares or rebuilding. I don't give two poos about being a middling squad (non lotto / non contender or hope to contend).

Trading for a former star player in his mid 30s coming off a major reconstructive surgery who has averaged less than 50 games per season even when only in his 20s and early 30s is what losing organizations do. History tells us that approach is almost certain to fail. I’ll note that the Suns were actually better AFTER they traded Durant and Durant is a better, slightly more durable player than Kyrie.

Tim Connelly is a smart, highly respected NBA executive. We should expect more from him than what any of us can come up with, including a hale Mary type move that history tells us is almost certain to fail. TC’s tenure here so far has been mixed, but I still trust his ability to make savvy moves this summer that take this team up a notch. I also continue to believe TC got it right with TSJ, Ayo and Beringer and that we’ll start to see those acquisitions bear fruit next season.

Brooks had a nice year I think, a bit better then we probably expected. I thought he looked good against us anyways, skill wise I thought he took a jump.

Sure maybe TC can find a player ready to break out, but he'd have to break out even more then Brooks. I still would bet on an older elite talented guy coming back to close to full strength. All those games off all those years means he's fresh too. Kyrie that is. A year off to rehab, probably wasn't a bad thing for a guy ready to make a final career remembering run into his mid 30's.

As many have said, just getting off Randle will be helpful. But it's the Donte injury that casts a whole new light on what TC needs to add to the roster. He has to somehow fill the void left by Donte's injury. And he has to plan for what happens when Donte returns -- does he hope to extend Donte beyond next year? Or does he need to fill the void with a longer term replacement. The answer might be more dependent on what is available on the trade market.