Windy reporting that Ant has questions about the future roster he wants answered

[Wolvesfan21]

Realistically, you’re getting roughly 50 good regular season games. And the Kyrie you’re getting will likely be at a level below the Kyrie of his prime because of both his age and his ACL surgery. Just reinforcing your point, Aussie, that it strains credulity to suggest that acquiring Kyrie is the best move globally. If I were TC, Kyrie would not be on my list. The only star I’d have on my list is Giannis and I’d certainly kick the tires on possible deals to get him. But I also wouldn’t get obsessed with acquiring him. I’d be focused like a laser on other trade targets likes Jrue Holiday, Jalen Suggs, Derrick White and Davion Mitchell - along with some others on Q’s PG list.

Several of the media podcasters I've been listening to are opining for Kyrie as well, saying he's a perfect fit. Basically everyone but this board is all in on him, which is strange. Some say he's too expensive, that we can't even get him. But IDK about that. There is risk there, but there is also a very likely scenario he is exactly what we are missing. An elite ball handler and scorer to take the doubles off of Ant.

I would say as a whole, the avg fan has Kyrie one, Kawhi two, Zion probably 3 and GIannis 4 simply because we have to probably gut our roster to get him.

I think it's unfair to say this board is not opining for Kyrie. You are just hearing a few squeaky wheels!

If TC does manage to get Kyrie, it will be pretty popular with most of the board, any most of those squeaky wheels will get on board after a few days...

I was just going by the poll results.

I think we have to realistically go down two types of paths.

The keep Rudy path or trade Rudy path.

In the keep Rudy path we're going to need another elite dynamic playmaker who can help get Rudy the ball, and B take doubles off of Ant by being a huge scoring threat themself. Both of which a Kyrie can do obviously well. You keep Rudy and trade for a role player or players types and I see no way our offense is dynamic enough to take on OKC and SA.

So option B is trade Rudy and Ju for "Role player" types. Get a stretch 5 who can play some defense, and now everything will be Ant centric. Everyone on offense can shoot the 3 and beating OKC and SA by bombing 3P's all game is a real threat.

I suppose option B could include a Kyrie or Kawhi also for sure, maybe that's option C. Trade Rudy and Ju and still get aging superstar I don't see in the keep Rudy path where staying Ant centric with Rudy gives us enough offense to beat those elite defenses. It's been a big problem the last two playoff runs. I just don't see how that changes with both those squads young and getting better.

[WildWolf2813]

I'm still skeptical of a Kyrie trade because I don't see what's in it for Dallas.

If they are realistic and don't consider themselves ready to contend with OKC/SA which it seems to be obviously true (Flagg looks nice but needs time and their roster is meh). Why keep the aging star vet. Say they are 3-5 years away, get some assets now to help build for that timeframe. That aging star vet has more value to us, then to them.

so the solution is to trade for another aging vet who isn't as good?

[rapsuperstar31]

I'm still skeptical of a Kyrie trade because I don't see what's in it for Dallas.

Dallas thanks Kyrie for getting them to the finals, and they do him a favor and let him go for the last few years of good basketball left in him to compete at the highest level. They would get a young guy or a draft pick in doing so for their future from either us or another team.

[Wolvesfan21]

I'm still skeptical of a Kyrie trade because I don't see what's in it for Dallas.

If they are realistic and don't consider themselves ready to contend with OKC/SA which it seems to be obviously true (Flagg looks nice but needs time and their roster is meh). Why keep the aging star vet. Say they are 3-5 years away, get some assets now to help build for that timeframe. That aging star vet has more value to us, then to them.

so the solution is to trade for another aging vet who isn't as good?

Ju goes to team 3. Dallas needs more picks and youth.

[TheGrey08]

Realistically, you're getting one good year is what I'm saying. And if that one good year doesn't end in a championship you're still left with what will be degrading results on the roster due to the opportunity cost of bringing in a 40 million aging vet and then extending him at likely a similar amount.

In a vacuum, Kyrie is a perfect matchup, but it really strains credulity to suggest it's that it is the best move globally

Realistically, you’re getting roughly 50 good regular season games. And the Kyrie you’re getting will likely be at a level below the Kyrie of his prime because of both his age and his ACL surgery. Just reinforcing your point, Aussie, that it strains credulity to suggest that acquiring Kyrie is the best move globally. If I were TC, Kyrie would not be on my list. The only star I’d have on my list is Giannis and I’d certainly kick the tires on possible deals to get him. But I also wouldn’t get obsessed with acquiring him. I’d be focused like a laser on other trade targets likes Jrue Holiday, Jalen Suggs, Derrick White and Davion Mitchell - along with some others on Q’s PG list.

Several of the media podcasters I've been listening to are opining for Kyrie as well, saying he's a perfect fit. Basically everyone but this board is all in on him, which is strange. Some say he's too expensive, that we can't even get him. But IDK about that. There is risk there, but there is also a very likely scenario he is exactly what we are missing. An elite ball handler and scorer to take the doubles off of Ant.

I would say as a whole, the avg fan has Kyrie one, Kawhi two, Zion probably 3 and GIannis 4 simply because we have to probably gut our roster to get him.

All of this is why multiple things need to be right for it to make sense. Age and injury risk should keep the price down.

-Kyrie wanting to come here/play with Ant & agrees to a team friendly extension up front.
-He's healthy & the team is confident in it.
-Reasonable trade price. Randle, a first rounder and filler. (multiple teams if needed, probably a team needing a floor raiser to avoid the bottom 3)

Derrick White is another interesting name. Does have a 15% trade kicker though.

[Lipoli390]

Realistically, you’re getting roughly 50 good regular season games. And the Kyrie you’re getting will likely be at a level below the Kyrie of his prime because of both his age and his ACL surgery. Just reinforcing your point, Aussie, that it strains credulity to suggest that acquiring Kyrie is the best move globally. If I were TC, Kyrie would not be on my list. The only star I’d have on my list is Giannis and I’d certainly kick the tires on possible deals to get him. But I also wouldn’t get obsessed with acquiring him. I’d be focused like a laser on other trade targets likes Jrue Holiday, Jalen Suggs, Derrick White and Davion Mitchell - along with some others on Q’s PG list.

Several of the media podcasters I've been listening to are opining for Kyrie as well, saying he's a perfect fit. Basically everyone but this board is all in on him, which is strange. Some say he's too expensive, that we can't even get him. But IDK about that. There is risk there, but there is also a very likely scenario he is exactly what we are missing. An elite ball handler and scorer to take the doubles off of Ant.

I would say as a whole, the avg fan has Kyrie one, Kawhi two, Zion probably 3 and GIannis 4 simply because we have to probably gut our roster to get him.

All of this is why multiple things need to be right for it to make sense. Age and injury risk should keep the price down.

-Kyrie wanting to come here/play with Ant & agrees to a team friendly extension up front.
-He's healthy & the team is confident in it.
-Reasonable trade price. Randle, a first rounder and filler. (multiple teams if needed, probably a team needing a floor raiser to avoid the bottom 3)

Derrick White is another interesting name. Does have a 15% trade kicker though.

Derrick White would be a terrific addition. He’s in a very different category than Kyrie or Kawhi. Derrick is still 31 years old with a history of durability. Moreover, he isn’t coming off a recent injury and major reconstructive surgery. Having said all that, I don’t think he’s a realistic trade target.