AussieWolf3 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2026 8:56 am
I'm honestly pretty confused why folks are so determined to get off Green right away at the cost of another rotation player.
Green has a reputation of being a capable defender who essentially shoots 40% from 3. In 24' he played 24 minutes a game for the Mavs, a finals team.
Most importantly he's an expiring contract! He's built in cap relief next season.
I understand that he's a bit redundant at this point and there are a lot of guards on the team, so much so that the current rotation pushes several of those guards into the forward position. However, haven't we learned from the Spurs and Thunder that this may not be that much of a problem? Having a bevy of bodies that you can throw at the perimeter who can also shoot is a good thing.
We got exactly what we wanted yet we're all still trying to make moves to get another all star to play PF? I don't get it
Let's tinker around the edges, find cheap up and comers who might just need a different environment, develop the few young players you have and let's roll.
Idk what to make of Ball's basketball character, the national narrative isn't kind to him, and that certainly concerns me, but this team has had the exact perfect start to the off-season given the existing constraints and variables. There are obviously risk, but this was the right gamble imo, and continuing to chip away at potential assets to acquire inferior but known ones is the wrong direction to go imo
The key with trading Green is that A) his salary can get us, in theory a better player at big positions and B) if Green's salary slot falls off the books then the team loses a mechanism to have a player in that salary range as they can't just sign someone for 14 million dollars. That is probably the most important reason. They could always resign Green at that number but he probably isn't worth it.
A) I understand that to a point, and it certainly makes sense, but isn't that pretty unlikely? Maybe it's possible but idk
B) what the fuck .... Why is that how it works? This is why I why both can't and won't learn NBA CBA stuff, it's too convoluted and unintuitive
AussieWolf3 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2026 8:56 am
I'm honestly pretty confused why folks are so determined to get off Green right away at the cost of another rotation player.
Green has a reputation of being a capable defender who essentially shoots 40% from 3. In 24' he played 24 minutes a game for the Mavs, a finals team.
Most importantly he's an expiring contract! He's built in cap relief next season.
I understand that he's a bit redundant at this point and there are a lot of guards on the team, so much so that the current rotation pushes several of those guards into the forward position. However, haven't we learned from the Spurs and Thunder that this may not be that much of a problem? Having a bevy of bodies that you can throw at the perimeter who can also shoot is a good thing.
We got exactly what we wanted yet we're all still trying to make moves to get another all star to play PF? I don't get it
Let's tinker around the edges, find cheap up and comers who might just need a different environment, develop the few young players you have and let's roll.
Idk what to make of Ball's basketball character, the national narrative isn't kind to him, and that certainly concerns me, but this team has had the exact perfect start to the off-season given the existing constraints and variables. There are obviously risk, but this was the right gamble imo, and continuing to chip away at potential assets to acquire inferior but known ones is the wrong direction to go imo
I think it’s because we need cap relief this season. It’s always nice to have it but if we don’t get it now we are 2nd apron. So the get rid of green talk stems from not wanting to have a 9th guy in the bench pushing you over the apron.
I thought they were 10 million under? They still have remaining spots to fill out the roster, so is that likely to put them over I guess?
Ugh... Apparently I should have shut my mouth about all of this cause I don't know shit lol
AussieWolf3 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2026 8:56 am
I'm honestly pretty confused why folks are so determined to get off Green right away at the cost of another rotation player.
Green has a reputation of being a capable defender who essentially shoots 40% from 3. In 24' he played 24 minutes a game for the Mavs, a finals team.
Most importantly he's an expiring contract! He's built in cap relief next season.
I understand that he's a bit redundant at this point and there are a lot of guards on the team, so much so that the current rotation pushes several of those guards into the forward position. However, haven't we learned from the Spurs and Thunder that this may not be that much of a problem? Having a bevy of bodies that you can throw at the perimeter who can also shoot is a good thing.
We got exactly what we wanted yet we're all still trying to make moves to get another all star to play PF? I don't get it
Let's tinker around the edges, find cheap up and comers who might just need a different environment, develop the few young players you have and let's roll.
Idk what to make of Ball's basketball character, the national narrative isn't kind to him, and that certainly concerns me, but this team has had the exact perfect start to the off-season given the existing constraints and variables. There are obviously risk, but this was the right gamble imo, and continuing to chip away at potential assets to acquire inferior but known ones is the wrong direction to go imo
I think it’s because we need cap relief this season. It’s always nice to have it but if we don’t get it now we are 2nd apron. So the get rid of green talk stems from not wanting to have a 9th guy in the bench pushing you over the apron.
I thought they were 10 million under? They still have remaining spots to fill out the roster, so is that likely to put them over I guess?
Ugh... Apparently I should have shut my mouth about all of this cause I don't know shit lol
You’re right it’s just that 10 m feels like an incredible small margin to fit 4 roster spots into? I think the rookie deal for Evans and the 3.1 for Jaylen make about 5.5-6m left for two more vet minimums…which are like 3.1…I bet Jaylen Clark was a vet minimum? So yeah we are really cutting it super close without somehow dumping green or Donte or another facet of the MegeTrade that changes the numbers around.
I think it’s because we need cap relief this season. It’s always nice to have it but if we don’t get it now we are 2nd apron. So the get rid of green talk stems from not wanting to have a 9th guy in the bench pushing you over the apron.
I thought they were 10 million under? They still have remaining spots to fill out the roster, so is that likely to put them over I guess?
Ugh... Apparently I should have shut my mouth about all of this cause I don't know shit lol
You’re right it’s just that 10 m feels like an incredible small margin to fit 4 roster spots into? I think the rookie deal for Evans and the 3.1 for Jaylen make about 5.5-6m left for two more vet minimums…which are like 3.1…I bet Jaylen Clark was a vet minimum? So yeah we are really cutting it super close without somehow dumping green or Donte or another facet of the MegeTrade that changes the numbers around.
The league also subsidizes 1 year league minimum contracts for players with at least 3 years of service. This was done to promote jobs for veteran players. So a vet minimum for a guy such as SloMo will only count as a 2 year vet salary against the Wolves cap even though he will be going into his 13th? year.
AussieWolf3 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2026 9:58 am
I thought they were 10 million under? They still have remaining spots to fill out the roster, so is that likely to put them over I guess?
Ugh... Apparently I should have shut my mouth about all of this cause I don't know shit lol
You’re right it’s just that 10 m feels like an incredible small margin to fit 4 roster spots into? I think the rookie deal for Evans and the 3.1 for Jaylen make about 5.5-6m left for two more vet minimums…which are like 3.1…I bet Jaylen Clark was a vet minimum? So yeah we are really cutting it super close without somehow dumping green or Donte or another facet of the MegeTrade that changes the numbers around.
The league also subsidizes 1 year league minimum contracts for players with at least 3 years of service. This was done to promote jobs for veteran players. So a vet minimum for a guy such as SloMo will only count as a 2 year vet salary against the Wolves cap even though he will be going into his 13th? year.
Yep: An NBA veteran minimum contract counts against the salary cap at the 2-year experience minimum level ($2,457,009 for the 2026–27 season), provided it is a one-year deal. However, the player’s full annual salary counts against the cap on a multi-year deal. Therefore, Clark’s entire $3.1M counts against the cap.
Including Clark’s re-signing at $3.1 million, assuming Evans signs at the rookie minimum of $1,358,084, and not factoring in any Ball trade kicker, the Wolves total payroll when all the trades have been finalized will be $210,031,080 for 11 players with 3 slots yet to fill.
So unless the Wolves make a payroll-reducing deal between now and July 6, they will be over the $209 million first apron threshold and slightly less than $10 million under the 2nd apron. If they use the full taxpayer MLE of just over $6 million, they’ll be slightly less than 4 million under the 2nd apron, which would leave just enough room for the Wolves to sign one vet minimum player and one more rookie minimum player. But even that’s not possible if Ball does not waive his trade kicker.
So the Wolves MIGHT be able so use the fully taxpayer MLE and still squeeze in barely under the 2nd apron with a 14-man roster.
I was surprised by the Clark signing. That’s not something I would have done. He hasn’t developed an offensive game and, in spite of his defense, he strikes me as a goofball. I still have bad memories of him channeling Wes Johnson on the bench as he constantly joked around with Wendell Moore who was the second coming of Wes Johnson. The Clark signing increases my suspicion that the Wolves are going to move Green and/or TSJ.
Maybe I am missing something with Kaufman Renn and in an ideal world he and Rocco would be two way guys, but Renn looks like a perfectly reasonable 14th guy development type who physically can play in the league right now…why not use a cheap roster spot on him? He isn’t perfect for our starting slot nor would I suggest starting him day 1 but he has a lot of offensive paint game to him and a good try hard motor.
BeenLurkin wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2026 5:34 pm
Maybe I am missing something with Kaufman Renn and in an ideal world he and Rocco would be two way guys, but Renn looks like a perfectly reasonable 14th guy development type who physically can play in the league right now…why not use a cheap roster spot on him? He isn’t perfect for our starting slot nor would I suggest starting him day 1 but he has a lot of offensive paint game to him and a good try hard motor.
There’s a reason Kaufman-Renn was still available at #59. If we’re looking for another rookie minimum to put on the roster, I’d scour the undrafted free agent market. I’m still scratching my head over the Kaufman-Renn pick.
Jace Fredrick said he was a great rebounder in college but had lots of criticism over his offensive game as far as shooting the ball. His highlights show promise in post game imo though.
