2016 Draft Thread - Vikings Addition
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It's time for Monster's "Fun! With!! Stats!!!"
Here are 5 NFL punter's (some currently in the league some not) career net average. Who do you think they are?
A. 39.1
B. 39.5
C. 38.8
D. 37.5
E. 39.7
Here are 5 NFL punter's (some currently in the league some not) career net average. Who do you think they are?
A. 39.1
B. 39.5
C. 38.8
D. 37.5
E. 39.7
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Re: 2016 Draft Thread - Vikings Addition
monsterpile wrote:It's time for Monster's "Fun! With!! Stats!!!"
Here are 5 NFL punter's (some currently in the league some not) career net average. Who do you think they are?
A. 39.1
B. 39.5
C. 38.8
D. 37.5
E. 39.7
I refuse to play because I am protesting the fact that you clearly stole the title form "Sheldon Cooper's Fun with Flags".
What I will say is punters, like the rest of the humans, through research in diet and exercise, have grown stronger over the years/decades. Who drafts Fran Tarkenton this past weekend? The day Shawn Merriman was drafted, he weighed more than Dan Dierdorf and had a faster 40 than Jerry Rice, and that was 2004. Some of that is, um, chemistry, and some is just humans having a better understanding of how humans work.
That's why when I was pointing out Locke's shortcomings, I was careful to compare him to league average. You can't have 53 Hall-of-Famers, but you can be average to above-average, and hopefully great sometimes.
Re: 2016 Draft Thread - Vikings Addition
JasonIsDaMan wrote:monsterpile wrote:It's time for Monster's "Fun! With!! Stats!!!"
Here are 5 NFL punter's (some currently in the league some not) career net average. Who do you think they are?
A. 39.1
B. 39.5
C. 38.8
D. 37.5
E. 39.7
I refuse to play because I am protesting the fact that you clearly stole the title form "Sheldon Cooper's Fun with Flags".
What I will say is punters, like the rest of the humans, through research in diet and exercise, have grown stronger over the years/decades. Who drafts Fran Tarkenton this past weekend? The day Shawn Merriman was drafted, he weighed more than Dan Dierdorf and had a faster 40 than Jerry Rice, and that was 2004. Some of that is, um, chemistry, and some is just humans having a better understanding of how humans work.
That's why when I was pointing out Locke's shortcomings, I was careful to compare him to league average. You can't have 53 Hall-of-Famers, but you can be average to above-average, and hopefully great sometimes.
I actually flattered that my game show tag line resonated with something or anything. Lol I do love that show although I haven't watched it in a few seasons. I need to binge watch it sometime.
I wasn't going back very far. The only punter in that list that isn't a current punter is not a hall of famer but has most of the Vikings punting records. Yep one guy in there is the magical Chris Kluwe. I thought it was worth putting him in there since he was the guy that was replaced.
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Re: 2016 Draft Thread - Vikings Addition
monsterpile wrote:JasonIsDaMan wrote:monsterpile wrote:It's time for Monster's "Fun! With!! Stats!!!"
Here are 5 NFL punter's (some currently in the league some not) career net average. Who do you think they are?
A. 39.1
B. 39.5
C. 38.8
D. 37.5
E. 39.7
I refuse to play because I am protesting the fact that you clearly stole the title form "Sheldon Cooper's Fun with Flags".
What I will say is punters, like the rest of the humans, through research in diet and exercise, have grown stronger over the years/decades. Who drafts Fran Tarkenton this past weekend? The day Shawn Merriman was drafted, he weighed more than Dan Dierdorf and had a faster 40 than Jerry Rice, and that was 2004. Some of that is, um, chemistry, and some is just humans having a better understanding of how humans work.
That's why when I was pointing out Locke's shortcomings, I was careful to compare him to league average. You can't have 53 Hall-of-Famers, but you can be average to above-average, and hopefully great sometimes.
I actually flattered that my game show tag line resonated with something or anything. Lol I do love that show although I haven't watched it in a few seasons. I need to binge watch it sometime.
I wasn't going back very far. The only punter in that list that isn't a current punter is not a hall of famer but has most of the Vikings punting records. Yep one guy in there is the magical Chris Kluwe. I thought it was worth putting him in there since he was the guy that was replaced.
I don't think anybody thought Kluwe was horrible. He made about $1m more than most punters and wasn't worth that money. But more importantly, he was a lightning rod and borderline embarrassment. Yes, issues with how the Catholic church handle crimes with their clergy is definitely worth discussing. But not by my team's punter. The only thing I needed from him is to have everyone of his punts land on the 1-yard line. I have legislators I can call about the important stuff (well, their secretaries).
Re: 2016 Draft Thread - Vikings Addition
JasonIsDaMan wrote:monsterpile wrote:JasonIsDaMan wrote:monsterpile wrote:It's time for Monster's "Fun! With!! Stats!!!"
Here are 5 NFL punter's (some currently in the league some not) career net average. Who do you think they are?
A. 39.1
B. 39.5
C. 38.8
D. 37.5
E. 39.7
I refuse to play because I am protesting the fact that you clearly stole the title form "Sheldon Cooper's Fun with Flags".
What I will say is punters, like the rest of the humans, through research in diet and exercise, have grown stronger over the years/decades. Who drafts Fran Tarkenton this past weekend? The day Shawn Merriman was drafted, he weighed more than Dan Dierdorf and had a faster 40 than Jerry Rice, and that was 2004. Some of that is, um, chemistry, and some is just humans having a better understanding of how humans work.
That's why when I was pointing out Locke's shortcomings, I was careful to compare him to league average. You can't have 53 Hall-of-Famers, but you can be average to above-average, and hopefully great sometimes.
I actually flattered that my game show tag line resonated with something or anything. Lol I do love that show although I haven't watched it in a few seasons. I need to binge watch it sometime.
I wasn't going back very far. The only punter in that list that isn't a current punter is not a hall of famer but has most of the Vikings punting records. Yep one guy in there is the magical Chris Kluwe. I thought it was worth putting him in there since he was the guy that was replaced.
I don't think anybody thought Kluwe was horrible. He made about $1m more than most punters and wasn't worth that money. But more importantly, he was a lightning rod and borderline embarrassment. Yes, issues with how the Catholic church handle crimes with their clergy is definitely worth discussing. But not by my team's punter. The only thing I needed from him is to have everyone of his punts land on the 1-yard line. I have legislators I can call about the important stuff (well, their secretaries).
To your point about Kluwe punting his career net average is D. which is the lowest of the group. I will add though that Kluwe's final year he had a career high of 39.7 net.
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Re: 2016 Draft Thread - Vikings Addition
From ESPN insider
Minnesota Vikings' 2016 draft class: Analysis, grades, best picks, highlights
Minnesota Vikings
Scouts Inc. on 2016 class
1 (23) Laquon Treadwell, WR, Mississippi | Highlights
What he brings: Treadwell is a highly competitive and physical receiver who thrives in contested situations. He isn't a burner, but he is a quality route runner who has the size, strength and length to create late separation. Treadwell is a strong and balanced runner after the catch and takes a lot of pride as a run-blocker. Though he might never be an elite No. 1 receiver, he's arguably the top at this position who will instantly upgrade a receiving corps.
How he fits: The Vikings found great value with their 2015 fifth-round selection of WR Stefon Diggs and continue to try to add weapons on the perimeter. Treadwell is the strong and physical receiver who has the ability to win in the contested situations Minnesota has been missing outside the hashes and in the red zone. With the addition of Treadwell, while also addressing the offensive line in free agency, general manager Rick Spielman continues to build around his young quarterback, Teddy Bridgewater. -- Kevin Weidl
Mackensie Alexander has the potential to develop into a starter at cornerback for the Vikings. Richard Shiro/AP Photo
2 (54) Mackensie Alexander, CB, Clemson | Highlights
What he brings: The biggest knock on Alexander is he didn't intercept a pass in his two seasons at Clemson and he might never be much of a ball hawk. Alexander's technique and footwork are inconsistent as well. He still projects as a Day 2 pick because he has the balance, fluidity and top-end speed to match up in man when his technique is sound. He has the potential to develop into an effective starter. -- Steve Muench
How he fits: Terence Newman is the slated starter opposite of Xavier Rhodes this year, but is 38. Alexander has the movement skills to develop into a quality starter within defensive coordinator George Edwards' heavy man principle scheme. -- Kevin Weidl
4 (121) Willie Beavers, OG, Western Michigan | Highlights
What he brings: Beavers projects better at guard, where he lined up at the Senior Bowl. He has the potential to develop into an effective starter there, but he started at tackle for three years at Western Michigan. He has an above-average frame and good quickness for a guard, but his hand placement and footwork are erratic. In addition, he struggled against the toughest competition he faced in 2015 (Michigan State, Ohio State and in Senior Bowl practices). -- Steve Muench
5 (160) Kentrell Brothers, ILB, Missouri | Highlights
What he brings: A highly productive SEC linebacker, Brothers is an instinctive run-defender who does a nice job of squaring and wrapping between the tackles. He also shows good awareness and flashes the ability to play the ball in coverage. Below-average, top-end speed is a concern for Brothers. He's not a sideline-to-sideline run-defender and he has limitations in coverage. He also has short arms and struggles to counter when blockers get into his frame. -- Steve Muench
6 (180) Moritz Boehringer, WR | Highlights
What he brings: Boehringer is the first player ever to get drafted without playing a down of college football and there are obvious concerns about is ability to make the jump from playing in Germany to the NFL. However, there's no denying his talent and upside as he ran a 4.38 40-yard dash at 6-foot-4 and 227 pounds. He also flashes good hands and toughness on the little tape we have seen. -- Steve Muench
6 (188) David Morgan, TE, UTSA
What he brings: Morgan lacks ideal speed and separation quickness but has quality size, a big catch radius and reliable hands as a short-to-intermediate target. He needs to hone his technique as a blocker, but he has the inline power to work with. -- Kevin Weidl
7 (227) Stephen Weatherly, OLB, Vanderbilt | Highlights
What he brings: There aren't many 6-foot-4, 267-pound players who run a 4.61 40-yard dash and are versatile enough to line up at inside linebacker, outside linebacker or defensive end. His best fit is as a 3-4 outside linebacker, though he could play defensive end in a base four-man front. However, the production and tape don't match up with the talent, raising concerns he'll never realize his considerable potential. -- Steve Muench
7 (244) Jayron Kearse, S, Clemson | Highlights
What he brings: A versatile safety, Kearse lined up at the high point and near the box where he's big and strong enough to hold up. He flashes above-average straight-line burst when the ball is in the air, plus he has the size, length and athletic ability to match up with tight ends. Kearse also flashes above-average stopping power but he doesn't always seek out contact. His effort defending the run is inconsistent, and he has average instincts and ball skills. -- Steve Muench
Mel Kiper's Draft Grade: B-
Kiper: The Vikings absolutely had to get a wide receiver in this draft, another weapon to take pressure of Stefon Diggs, who is a talent but not exactly an established veteran. Laquon Treadwell was my No. 17 overall player and the Vikes got him at No. 23, so I'm a fan of the value. I also think he's more of the big, strong-handed, possession receiver Teddy Bridgewater needs. What'll be interesting is seeing what the three other wide receivers drafted before him end up doing. You can make a case for almost any of them as the best for one reason or another.
I'm less of a Mackensie Alexander fan than other analysts because of poor ball skills (zero career interceptions), but he's a good fit here at a need position, where Terence Newman is 38. I think Willie Beavers in Round 4 works for value and my guess is he goes to guard from tackle. Kentrell Brothers is a total steal for me. The guy is a tackling machine and is great depth for them at linebacker. He's a future starter. Moritz Boehringer is a great story with good size, but that's a long incubation process to get him on the field. Extreme leap in competition from the German league he was in. They have a need at safety, and Jayron Kearse has a chance to stick on the roster to help out. A pretty good draft, with Treadwell's early impact an important part of the equation for 2016.
1/23 Laquon Treadwell WR Ole Miss
2/54 Mackensie Alexander CB Clemson
4/121 Willie Beavers G Western Michigan
5/160 Kentrell Brothers ILB Missouri
6/180 Moritz Boehringer WR East
6/188 David Morgan TE Texas San Antonio
7/227 Stephen Weatherly OLB Vanderbilt
7/244 Jayron Kearse S Clemson
Todd McShay's favorite pick
Laquon Treadwell, WR, Mississippi (No. 23 pick)
Treadwell isn't a burner by any stretch, but he doesn't need to be in the Vikings' offense. Offensive coordinator Norv Turner will work Treadwell on short-to-intermediate routes, playing to his strengths. Treadwell has a big catch radius and great ball skills, consistently plucking the ball away from his frame. He gives QB Teddy Bridgewater a legitimate No. 1 outside receiver, with the ability to navigate the sideline effortlessly and make plays in the red zone.
Minnesota Vikings' 2016 draft class: Analysis, grades, best picks, highlights
Minnesota Vikings
Scouts Inc. on 2016 class
1 (23) Laquon Treadwell, WR, Mississippi | Highlights
What he brings: Treadwell is a highly competitive and physical receiver who thrives in contested situations. He isn't a burner, but he is a quality route runner who has the size, strength and length to create late separation. Treadwell is a strong and balanced runner after the catch and takes a lot of pride as a run-blocker. Though he might never be an elite No. 1 receiver, he's arguably the top at this position who will instantly upgrade a receiving corps.
How he fits: The Vikings found great value with their 2015 fifth-round selection of WR Stefon Diggs and continue to try to add weapons on the perimeter. Treadwell is the strong and physical receiver who has the ability to win in the contested situations Minnesota has been missing outside the hashes and in the red zone. With the addition of Treadwell, while also addressing the offensive line in free agency, general manager Rick Spielman continues to build around his young quarterback, Teddy Bridgewater. -- Kevin Weidl
Mackensie Alexander has the potential to develop into a starter at cornerback for the Vikings. Richard Shiro/AP Photo
2 (54) Mackensie Alexander, CB, Clemson | Highlights
What he brings: The biggest knock on Alexander is he didn't intercept a pass in his two seasons at Clemson and he might never be much of a ball hawk. Alexander's technique and footwork are inconsistent as well. He still projects as a Day 2 pick because he has the balance, fluidity and top-end speed to match up in man when his technique is sound. He has the potential to develop into an effective starter. -- Steve Muench
How he fits: Terence Newman is the slated starter opposite of Xavier Rhodes this year, but is 38. Alexander has the movement skills to develop into a quality starter within defensive coordinator George Edwards' heavy man principle scheme. -- Kevin Weidl
4 (121) Willie Beavers, OG, Western Michigan | Highlights
What he brings: Beavers projects better at guard, where he lined up at the Senior Bowl. He has the potential to develop into an effective starter there, but he started at tackle for three years at Western Michigan. He has an above-average frame and good quickness for a guard, but his hand placement and footwork are erratic. In addition, he struggled against the toughest competition he faced in 2015 (Michigan State, Ohio State and in Senior Bowl practices). -- Steve Muench
5 (160) Kentrell Brothers, ILB, Missouri | Highlights
What he brings: A highly productive SEC linebacker, Brothers is an instinctive run-defender who does a nice job of squaring and wrapping between the tackles. He also shows good awareness and flashes the ability to play the ball in coverage. Below-average, top-end speed is a concern for Brothers. He's not a sideline-to-sideline run-defender and he has limitations in coverage. He also has short arms and struggles to counter when blockers get into his frame. -- Steve Muench
6 (180) Moritz Boehringer, WR | Highlights
What he brings: Boehringer is the first player ever to get drafted without playing a down of college football and there are obvious concerns about is ability to make the jump from playing in Germany to the NFL. However, there's no denying his talent and upside as he ran a 4.38 40-yard dash at 6-foot-4 and 227 pounds. He also flashes good hands and toughness on the little tape we have seen. -- Steve Muench
6 (188) David Morgan, TE, UTSA
What he brings: Morgan lacks ideal speed and separation quickness but has quality size, a big catch radius and reliable hands as a short-to-intermediate target. He needs to hone his technique as a blocker, but he has the inline power to work with. -- Kevin Weidl
7 (227) Stephen Weatherly, OLB, Vanderbilt | Highlights
What he brings: There aren't many 6-foot-4, 267-pound players who run a 4.61 40-yard dash and are versatile enough to line up at inside linebacker, outside linebacker or defensive end. His best fit is as a 3-4 outside linebacker, though he could play defensive end in a base four-man front. However, the production and tape don't match up with the talent, raising concerns he'll never realize his considerable potential. -- Steve Muench
7 (244) Jayron Kearse, S, Clemson | Highlights
What he brings: A versatile safety, Kearse lined up at the high point and near the box where he's big and strong enough to hold up. He flashes above-average straight-line burst when the ball is in the air, plus he has the size, length and athletic ability to match up with tight ends. Kearse also flashes above-average stopping power but he doesn't always seek out contact. His effort defending the run is inconsistent, and he has average instincts and ball skills. -- Steve Muench
Mel Kiper's Draft Grade: B-
Kiper: The Vikings absolutely had to get a wide receiver in this draft, another weapon to take pressure of Stefon Diggs, who is a talent but not exactly an established veteran. Laquon Treadwell was my No. 17 overall player and the Vikes got him at No. 23, so I'm a fan of the value. I also think he's more of the big, strong-handed, possession receiver Teddy Bridgewater needs. What'll be interesting is seeing what the three other wide receivers drafted before him end up doing. You can make a case for almost any of them as the best for one reason or another.
I'm less of a Mackensie Alexander fan than other analysts because of poor ball skills (zero career interceptions), but he's a good fit here at a need position, where Terence Newman is 38. I think Willie Beavers in Round 4 works for value and my guess is he goes to guard from tackle. Kentrell Brothers is a total steal for me. The guy is a tackling machine and is great depth for them at linebacker. He's a future starter. Moritz Boehringer is a great story with good size, but that's a long incubation process to get him on the field. Extreme leap in competition from the German league he was in. They have a need at safety, and Jayron Kearse has a chance to stick on the roster to help out. A pretty good draft, with Treadwell's early impact an important part of the equation for 2016.
1/23 Laquon Treadwell WR Ole Miss
2/54 Mackensie Alexander CB Clemson
4/121 Willie Beavers G Western Michigan
5/160 Kentrell Brothers ILB Missouri
6/180 Moritz Boehringer WR East
6/188 David Morgan TE Texas San Antonio
7/227 Stephen Weatherly OLB Vanderbilt
7/244 Jayron Kearse S Clemson
Todd McShay's favorite pick
Laquon Treadwell, WR, Mississippi (No. 23 pick)
Treadwell isn't a burner by any stretch, but he doesn't need to be in the Vikings' offense. Offensive coordinator Norv Turner will work Treadwell on short-to-intermediate routes, playing to his strengths. Treadwell has a big catch radius and great ball skills, consistently plucking the ball away from his frame. He gives QB Teddy Bridgewater a legitimate No. 1 outside receiver, with the ability to navigate the sideline effortlessly and make plays in the red zone.
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Re: 2016 Draft Thread - Vikings Addition
Thanks for posting Kahns. Good stuff.
Re: 2016 Draft Thread - Vikings Addition
BizarroJerry wrote:Thanks for posting Kahns. Good stuff.
Yes Kahns thanks for posting.
Re: 2016 Draft Thread - Vikings Addition
The ESPN guys don't even mention Waynes when talking about Alexander.. I love the depth of our backfield, I don't ever think I have said that as a Vikings fan.
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Re: 2016 Draft Thread - Vikings Addition
What I am hearing about Alexander really impresses me.