monsterpile wrote:What's people's take on Fromm? Is there any other QBs that might not be first round picks (or maybe say a late 1st guy we could trade up for) that people would have interest in us taking or are people all in on Jake Browning? Lol
I don't get excited about Fromm
https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/jake-fromm/ZWU1pttLiq
Cole would be my late-round QB guy.
https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/cole-mcdonald/FGjhbAs4JT
I used Fanspeak.com with Matt Miller board and came away with following. Most of the picks he had projected us to get were not available at that time.
Round 1, #25 - Xavier McKinney FS, Alabama
Round 2, #58 - Jalen Reagor WR - TCU
Round 3, #89 - Stanford Samuels III CB - Florida State
Round 4, #129 - Jonah Jackson LG - Ohio State
Round 4, #138 (compensatory) - Darrynton Evans RB - Appalachian State
Round 6, #206 - Davon Hamilton NT, Ohio State
Round 7, #220 (from Miami) - Larell Murchison DT/DE - NC State
Round 7, #240 - Calvin Throckmorton, OT/OG, Oregon
Round 7, #253 (compensatory) - Trajan Bandy, CB, Miami
Round 7, #254 (compensatory) - Myles Dorn, S, North Carolina
Xavier McKinney, Stanford Samuels, & Johan Jackson could be starters in year one. OL and CB went very early. The mocks I have seen have Xavier McKinney gone earlier and Kristian Fulton falling to us.
From PFF
JONAH JACKSON, OHIO STATE - LG
We are always going to love some pass protectors, and Jackson is as advanced in pass pro as any interior lineman in this class. You may know him better as the Rutgers player who actually graded well back in 2018. For his career, he's allowed only one lone sack or hit on 1,020 pass-blocking snaps, which speaks to arguably his greatest trait -- not losing quickly. Even when he does allow pressure, Jackson is almost always still holding on for dear life and riding guys past the pocket. His hand usage is exceptional, and he plays with a balance unmatched in the draft class.
CALVIN THROCKMORTON, OREGON - OG/OT
Throckmorton is the first convert on this list, although calling him a tackle is not giving him nearly enough credit. Throckmorton has taken at least one snap at every single position along the offensive line (he took literally one at left guard in 2016) in his four years as a starter at Oregon. Even with him flip-flopping positions as needed in each of the past three years, Throckmorton earned pass-blocking grades of 89.5, 87.4, and 90.2, respectively, over that span. He's built like a cinder block with excellent natural leverage. While he doesn't have the quicks or length you want from a tackle, Throckmorton is one of the best linemen in the country at sustaining blocks once engaged.
XAVIER MCKINNEY, ALABAMA - FS (Junior)
Productive and versatile, McKinney ticks two of the most important boxes in our eyes for a safety. He executed everything asked of him at Alabama the past two seasons at a high-level. He's earned run defense grades of 79.1 and 79.4, coverage grades of 80.9 and 89.2, and pass-rush grades of 85.2 and 90.3. That's as good a grading profile as exists at the safety position in this class. And it came from very much being a versatile piece in the Crimson Tide defense. He took 285 snaps in the box, 227 snaps from the slot, and 271 snaps deep this past season. McKinney may not be a freakish athlete, but he's extremely fluid. He's made multiple picks where he's had to turn over one shoulder, locate the ball, and then finish. Arguably his best skill is covering the slot though where his read and react ability shines though. McKinney rarely cedes an inch on the underneath route tree and plays with consistent balance.
DAVON HAMILTON, OHIO STATE - DT
Hamilton was one of the biggest movers with his play at the Senior Bowl. He showed off a bull-rush that was darn near unstoppable en route to the highest grade of any defensive tackle in attendance in the one-on-ones. Hamilton has been one of the highest-graded run defenders in the country the past two seasons, but only earned a 75.5 pass-rushing grade in 2019. Showing that he could excel in that regard though down in Mobile was huge. One of the biggest questions Hamilton has still yet to answer is whether he can hold up to a larger workload or not. He never played more than 357 snaps in a season at Ohio State with their healthy defensive line rotation. You'd like that number doubled next season if you're even considering taking him highly in the draft. For a 327 pounder, that isn't always an easy thing to do.
JALEN REAGOR, TCU - WR (Junior)
Reagor has the off-the-charts explosiveness that saw him go for over 1,000 yards as a true sophomore in 2018. He was very much hampered by his quarterback situation in 2019, though, as he saw the fourth-highest rate of off-target passes of any receiver in the country. However, his raw stats don't tell the whole story, as he can't just get open down the field, but he can also win 50-50 balls despite his size. He's hauled in 23 of his 50 contested-catch opportunities over the past two seasons.
From Walters
Stanford Samuels III*, CB, Florida State (Junior)
Height: 6-2. Weight: 185.
Projected 40 Time: 4.3
Samuels played well for Florida State over his final two seasons with the Seminoles. He totaled 60 tackles with two interceptions and seven passes broken up in 2019 after recording 58 tackles with four interceptions and 11 breakups in 2018. He has quality size to him and would fit best in a press-man scheme.
Trajan Bandy*, CB, Miami (Junior)
Height: 5-9. Weight: 190.
Projected 40 Time: 4.35.
Bandy is a backup slot cornerback competitor for the next level. He collected 28 tackles with eight passes broken up plus 3 sacks in 2019. In 2018, he had 36 tackles with three interceptions and 13 passes batted.
Darrynton Evans*, RB, Appalachian State (Junior)
Height: 5-11. Weight: 200.
Projected 40 Time: 4.35.
In 2019, Evans averaged 5.8 yards per carry 1,480 yards with 18 touchdowns. He had 21 receptions for 198 yards and five scores as well. Evans averaged 6.6 yards per carry in 2018 for 1,1876 yards and seven scores. He had 12 catches for 87 yards and a score. Evans is undersized for the NFL, but he could be a backup and rotational back. After his last two seasons at Appalachian State, it made sense for Evans to enter the 2020 NFL Draft.
Larrell Murchison, DT, N.C. State
Height: 6-3. Weight: 291.
Projected 40 Time: 4.9
Murchison totaled 48 tackles with seven sacks and two passes defended in 2019. Team sources say Murchison is spark-plug defensive tackle to rotate into the game for a 4-3 defense. He could be a contributor as a situational pass-rusher and may not have the size to be an every-down smaller defender, but they say he is a solid player who does disrupt. Murchison is said to be a good character individual as well. Evaluators believe if Murchison tests well, he could rise.
Myles Dorn, S, North Carolina
Height: 6-2. Weight: 210.
Projected 40 Time: 4.4
Dorn had 83 tackles with two interceptions and six passes broken up in 2019. Dorn was a solid defender for North Carolina over the past two seasons. He nabbed two interceptions in each of the past two years, atop 55 tackles as a junior and 71 as a sophomore. Dorn collected eight passes broken up over that time.
Vikings get
Round 1 - CJ Henderson CB FLORIDA o JR o 6'1" / 202 LBS - Love this pick for us.
Round 2 - Robert Hunt OG LOUISIANA o SR o 6'5" / 322 LBS - I would have gone Cesar Ruiz before Hunt He is 3 years younger and can play C/OG. - Cesar Ruiz C/G MICHIGAN o JR o 6'4" / 319 LBS - I also really like Raekwon Davis in this draft that is very light on DL. Raekwon Davis DL ALABAMA o SR o 6'7" / 312 LBS
Round 3 - Tyler Johnson WR MINNESOTA o SR o 6'2" / 205 LBS - Seems like a homer pick. I like idea of doubling down on interior OL - Solomon Kindley OL GEORGIA o JR o 6'4" / 335 LBS
Combine week is here. Things should start to take shape after this week.
I am seeing guys that go in the first round for some guys and 5th for others. This draft is really deep in CB, WR, and RB. It is pretty thin at DL and S. I think this is a perfect draft to move on from Rhodes and Waynes. I really think we need to find the following in the draft. A starting LG, staring CB, and rolational DT. It would be a good idea to get a WR in this draft since it is strong and we need an upgraded 3rd option.
bleedspeed177 wrote:Combine week is here. Things should start to take shape after this week.
I am seeing guys that go in the first round for some guys and 5th for others. This draft is really deep in CB, WR, and RB. It is pretty thin at DL and S. I think this is a perfect draft to move on from Rhodes and Waynes. I really think we need to find the following in the draft. A starting LG, staring CB, and rolational DT. It would be a good idea to get a WR in this draft since it is strong and we need an upgraded 3rd option.
I'm surprised you think we should add a rotational DT when we have a few of those and you said it was a weak DL draft. If the Safety spot is weak that probably means we are going to keep Harris...which I think is pretty obvious already.
bleedspeed177 wrote:Combine week is here. Things should start to take shape after this week.
I am seeing guys that go in the first round for some guys and 5th for others. This draft is really deep in CB, WR, and RB. It is pretty thin at DL and S. I think this is a perfect draft to move on from Rhodes and Waynes. I really think we need to find the following in the draft. A starting LG, staring CB, and rolational DT. It would be a good idea to get a WR in this draft since it is strong and we need an upgraded 3rd option.
I'm surprised you think we should add a rotational DT when we have a few of those and you said it was a weak DL draft. If the Safety spot is weak that probably means we are going to keep Harris...which I think is pretty obvious already.
I would say the draft is weak in the number of DT's. I think we need to move on from Lenval or get him to take a big discount. I feel like we are a better defense when we have 3T. I would be uber happy with Raekwon Davis. He looks like the ROCK, but 6'7" and 315lbs. I am guessing he crushes the combine.
Netane Muti is a LG prospect that has tons of potential and is all over the board where he will go. PFF loves him, but he was injured a lot and maybe played 50% of the games.
OG NETANE MUTI, FRESNO STATE
Muti has been tossing college defensive lineman around since the first day he stepped on a college football field back in 2017. That year, he allowed only 11 pressures and earned an 80.4 overall grade. Injuries have limited him to only 318 snaps since between left tackle and left guard, but on those he's allowed only three pressures. Back in that 2017 season though, Muti ranked third among all guards in the nation with seven big-time run blocks. His highlight tape is reminiscent of former top-10 pick Quenton Nelson in its utter physical dominance.
As for safety. I don't see a huge number of players, but lots of big corners that could play safety. Michael Ojemudia would be a great CB to put at FS. I always like the Iowa DBs though.
Pre-Combine draft using Bleacher Report - Matt Miller.
Round 1, #25 - QB JORDAN LOVE UTAH STATE
Round 2, #58 - CB STANFORD SAMUELS III FLORIDA STATE (one round earlier - stock is rising)
Round 3, #89 - OT SAAHDIQ CHARLES LSU (stock is rising up from 4th round)
Round 4, #129 - RB AJ DILLON BOSTON COLLEGE (Stock will go way up)
Round 4, #138 (compensatory) - S JEREMY CHINN SOUTHERN ILLINOIS
Round 6, #206 - DL LARRELL MURCHISON NC STATE (3rd round pick on Walters board)
Round 7, #220 (from Miami) - G SOLOMON KINDLEY GEORGIA (2nd round pick on Walters board)
Round 7, #240 - WR OMAR BAYLESS ARKANSAS STATE
Round 7, #253 (compensatory) - CB LUQ BARCOO SAN DIEGO STATE (Rising up boards)
Round 7, #254 (compensatory) - DL DAVON HAMILTON OHIO STATE (falling her rising on Walters)
I would look at this board as we didn't extend Cousins and are going to let him play out the contract before handing over the team to Jordan Love who has an arm like Mahomes, but played on a bad team last year and his INTs went up because of it. Stanford Samuels could be a first-round pick he could be a pro-bowler. Saahdig Charles would be higher but he had discipline issues to begin the year could start at LG and fits the zone scheme. AJ Dillion will hear Derrick Henry comparisons after his 40 at the combine. Jeremy Chinn is s/LB type that is could replace Kearse. Solomon Kindley is my favorite guard and also the top guard on Walters board, but he is all over the map on projections. He played LG, but think he will settle at RG as a mauler. Omar Bayless is a big 6'3" development WR who was productive. Luq Barcoo is a converted WR that led the college in INT's. He will be drafted much higher. Davon Hamilton would be a great rotational NT to start. This board would be a good mix to support this teams reshaping this year and set this team up for 2021 with a strong offense and rebuilding defense. This would be the type of draft that Speilman and Zimmer could do to buy time with the franchise. Drafting a QB of the future buys them time. The offense is loaded and would be ready for a young QB in 2021 with another year for the OL developing and us having a lot of cap space in 2021.
Khalil Davis a 308 lb DT out of Nebraska ran a 4.75 in the 40. I don't get too caught up in 40 times but that's pretty good.
His twin brother Carlos ran a 4.82. A couple weeks ago a former coach they had said they were maybe the most athletic D-lineman he had ever coached. Those 40 times make me think he may have been telling the truth.
