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SameOldNudityDrew wrote:I posted on him in the draft grades thread. Jonathan Tjarks really liked him and was touting his per minute stats.

I've watched some of the highlights and breakdowns of this guy, and yeah, I think most of the takes on this board sound about right.

At first glance, his length and defensive hands remind me of Jaden, which is nice. He seems to have nice lateral quickness, so I can see him also being able to guard 1-4 on the ball, and maybe even some undersized 5s. Could be a guy we can throw onto an opposing shot-creator like we do with McDaniels.

Looking into him, I think he definitely has more Vando than McDaniels to his game right now as guys here seem to be suggesting--particularly the high motor. He looks like he may even be more disruptive with shot blocking, deflections, and steals than Vando, and he definitely looks like he can accelerate in transition more quickly than Vando too and get up for dunks with more fluidity. Also looks like a pretty good rebounder. Unfortunately, like Vando, he also looks like he can't shoot at all.

His handles look good enough to get from the perimeter to the rim when needed, and he can go the length of the floor in a straight line on a fast break if there's no defense, but other than that, I don't think this guy should ever dribble the ball or pass it. When he rebounds, we should always have a teammate on the floor who gets open for a pass from Minott and calls for the ball from him right away and can bring it up and get into the offense so that Minott never has to try to pass off the dribble.

The upside with him could be a guy like an athletic Thybulle with highlight dunks. He'll energize the crowd with his play, for sure. He's got the tools to be super disruptive defensively, I think potentially even more than Vando and McDaniels. Offensively though, yeesh. He can be a transition finisher, and maybe a pick 'n' roll lob threat in the half court, but I don't see much more hope for him offensively. Still, that defense looks like it could be great. Not everybody can play both ways well.

He kind of reminds me of Corey Brewer actually, and I loved Brewer. I saw an interview with him and he seemed like a nice kid. Cool glasses.

He's young. So maybe a shooting coach can help make him respectable in that regard. If so, that would be awesome because then we'd be looking at a similar sort of potential as Jaden--just maybe with more athleticism and more aggressive D and less ball handing and shot creation on offense.


SOME of his ball handling issues is because it looks like he has only 1 speed on the court and it's like 300 miles an hour. That's an exaggeration but yeah that's where you get that Brewer comp which I thought of also.

Idk what kind of sample size 65 free throws is but he surprisingly made over 75% of them. His jumper looks pretty bad though. I'm curious to watch him in some games (gonna watch a college game or 2) and see him shoot some FTs and see what that looks like.

I'll also say here that I don't know what it will lead to and I have no illusions of Vanderbilt hitting jumpers or whatever but his FT shot looked much smoother this year or at least the first chunk of the season. I didn't pay as much attention later. Sometimes for guys like that just being a decent FT shooter can keep them on the floor more especially late in a game.
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https://youtu.be/nsPQ_MTcMVA

I've watched a lot of video of Minott the past couple days. This one is my favorite because it shows his entire skill set with excerpts of him talking. Wow! A great talent and really smart. He's got a super high motor and very high IQ. Add in terrific length and great athleticism. I strongly encourage all of you to watch this video if it's the only Minott video you see.

I was listening to Britt on the last Dane Moore podcast last night. Britt made a good point about how rubes like us get attached to certain players as we prepare for the draft by scouring the Internet for videos, reviews and stats. And as we zero in on some players, we ignore others. He's absolutely right. I'll confess I watched no video of Minott and had never seen him play in a game before the draft. And I only read one draft analysis of him. I can tell you that, if I had focused on his videos and draft reviews before draft he definitely would have been on my favorites list. I also didn't watch much Kessler video before the draft because I pretty much dismissed him early on because he didn't excite me and I have a strong bias towards wings and high-end athletes. But having watched a ton of Kessler videos and read just about every review I could find since the draft, I'm feeling better about Kessler, although I'm still not excited about him. But as for Minott, I'm really excited - in spite of his poor perimeter shot.

Note to Drew: I was a Corey Brewer fan and Minott is far more talented than Brewer. Minott is longer, more athletic and just far more dynamic. Now, he may end up never being as good as Corey. But his upside is at another level compared to Corey.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/josh-minott-hoping-to-hear-name-called-on-draft-night/vp-AAYLrql

I like the comment by his former high school coach that you don't want to be the GM that passes up the chance to draft Minott.
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To add to the Minott hype train.....apparently he was pissed he didn't get picked in the first round and wants to take revenge on everyone that passed on him (that would include Minnesota twice if you think about it, but moving on.....).

He's clearly still growing into his body, so add him to the list of guys we have that could potentially grow into a legit starting 4 next to KAT. Vando, McDaniels, and now Minott....all on different parts of the maturity curve, but all still fairly young still. Not suggesting we don't need to still pursue a vet starting 4, but it's nice to have a pipeline of possibilities inside of the organization.

I love the fact that he's an agent of chaos in the Vando/Okogie/Corey Brewer mold. Too bad we'll never be able to play him and Vando together!
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Q-was-here wrote:To add to the Minott hype train.....apparently he was pissed he didn't get picked in the first round and wants to take revenge on everyone that passed on him (that would include Minnesota twice if you think about it, but moving on.....).

He's clearly still growing into his body, so add him to the list of guys we have that could potentially grow into a legit starting 4 next to KAT. Vando, McDaniels, and now Minott....all on different parts of the maturity curve, but all still fairly young still. Not suggesting we don't need to still pursue a vet starting 4, but it's nice to have a pipeline of possibilities inside of the organization.

I love the fact that he's an agent of chaos in the Vando/Okogie/Corey Brewer mold. Too bad we'll never be able to play him and Vando together!


I think we're going to find that we were to quick to lump him in with Vando and Brewer. I'd say he's more Vando than Brewer, but he has a much nicer touch than Vando near the basket. He also appears to have much better hands than Vando. I'm not sure I'd peg him as a PF. He looks pretty positionless to me. Defensively, it looks like he can guard 1-4. Offensively, where he ends up will turn largely on the development of his perimeter shot. He is early in his development after only one season of college basketball at 14 minutes per game. But wow, the tools are there.
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lipoli390 wrote:
Q-was-here wrote:To add to the Minott hype train.....apparently he was pissed he didn't get picked in the first round and wants to take revenge on everyone that passed on him (that would include Minnesota twice if you think about it, but moving on.....).

He's clearly still growing into his body, so add him to the list of guys we have that could potentially grow into a legit starting 4 next to KAT. Vando, McDaniels, and now Minott....all on different parts of the maturity curve, but all still fairly young still. Not suggesting we don't need to still pursue a vet starting 4, but it's nice to have a pipeline of possibilities inside of the organization.

I love the fact that he's an agent of chaos in the Vando/Okogie/Corey Brewer mold. Too bad we'll never be able to play him and Vando together!


I think we're going to find that we were to quick to lump him in with Vando and Brewer. I'd say he's more Vando than Brewer, but he has a much nicer touch than Vando near the basket. He also appears to have much better hands than Vando. I'm not sure I'd peg him as a PF. He looks pretty positionless to me. Defensively, it looks like he can guard 1-4. Offensively, where he ends up will turn largely on the development of his perimeter shot. He is early in his development after only one season of college basketball at 14 minutes per game. But wow, the tools are there.


Hard to see him developing much of a shot....I mean, it's really nonexistent right now. Given his height, frame, and lack of a jumper, he seems like an athletic 4 that can guard multiple positions defensively, but essentially be a 5 on offense (like Vando).
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Q-was-here wrote:
lipoli390 wrote:
Q-was-here wrote:To add to the Minott hype train.....apparently he was pissed he didn't get picked in the first round and wants to take revenge on everyone that passed on him (that would include Minnesota twice if you think about it, but moving on.....).

He's clearly still growing into his body, so add him to the list of guys we have that could potentially grow into a legit starting 4 next to KAT. Vando, McDaniels, and now Minott....all on different parts of the maturity curve, but all still fairly young still. Not suggesting we don't need to still pursue a vet starting 4, but it's nice to have a pipeline of possibilities inside of the organization.

I love the fact that he's an agent of chaos in the Vando/Okogie/Corey Brewer mold. Too bad we'll never be able to play him and Vando together!


I think we're going to find that we were to quick to lump him in with Vando and Brewer. I'd say he's more Vando than Brewer, but he has a much nicer touch than Vando near the basket. He also appears to have much better hands than Vando. I'm not sure I'd peg him as a PF. He looks pretty positionless to me. Defensively, it looks like he can guard 1-4. Offensively, where he ends up will turn largely on the development of his perimeter shot. He is early in his development after only one season of college basketball at 14 minutes per game. But wow, the tools are there.


Hard to see him developing much of a shot....I mean, it's really nonexistent right now. Given his height, frame, and lack of a jumper, he seems like an athletic 4 that can guard multiple positions defensively, but essentially be a 5 on offense (like Vando).


If Vanderbilt was good at catching the ball and finishing around the hoop he would be much less of an offensive liability.
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lipoli390 wrote:https://youtu.be/nsPQ_MTcMVA

I've watched a lot of video of Minott the past couple days. This one is my favorite because it shows his entire skill set with excerpts of him talking. Wow! A great talent and really smart. He's got a super high motor and very high IQ. Add in terrific length and great athleticism. I strongly encourage all of you to watch this video if it's the only Minott video you see.

I was listening to Britt on the last Dane Moore podcast last night. Britt made a good point about how rubes like us get attached to certain players as we prepare for the draft by scouring the Internet for videos, reviews and stats. And as we zero in on some players, we ignore others. He's absolutely right. I'll confess I watched no video of Minott and had never seen him play in a game before the draft. And I only read one draft analysis of him. I can tell you that, if I had focused on his videos and draft reviews before draft he definitely would have been on my favorites list. I also didn't watch much Kessler video before the draft because I pretty much dismissed him early on because he didn't excite me and I have a strong bias towards wings and high-end athletes. But having watched a ton of Kessler videos and read just about every review I could find since the draft, I'm feeling better about Kessler, although I'm still not excited about him. But as for Minott, I'm really excited - in spite of his poor perimeter shot.

Note to Drew: I was a Corey Brewer fan and Minott is far more talented than Brewer. Minott is longer, more athletic and just far more dynamic. Now, he may end up never being as good as Corey. But his upside is at another level compared to Corey.


Lip that was the first video I watched of Minott after he was drafted. It was interesting to hear they think he isn't done growing. It made me think of McDaniels. He is young and was productive in filling the stat sheet. What would he have done in a year or two more in college?
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monsterpile wrote:
Q-was-here wrote:
lipoli390 wrote:
Q-was-here wrote:To add to the Minott hype train.....apparently he was pissed he didn't get picked in the first round and wants to take revenge on everyone that passed on him (that would include Minnesota twice if you think about it, but moving on.....).

He's clearly still growing into his body, so add him to the list of guys we have that could potentially grow into a legit starting 4 next to KAT. Vando, McDaniels, and now Minott....all on different parts of the maturity curve, but all still fairly young still. Not suggesting we don't need to still pursue a vet starting 4, but it's nice to have a pipeline of possibilities inside of the organization.

I love the fact that he's an agent of chaos in the Vando/Okogie/Corey Brewer mold. Too bad we'll never be able to play him and Vando together!


I think we're going to find that we were to quick to lump him in with Vando and Brewer. I'd say he's more Vando than Brewer, but he has a much nicer touch than Vando near the basket. He also appears to have much better hands than Vando. I'm not sure I'd peg him as a PF. He looks pretty positionless to me. Defensively, it looks like he can guard 1-4. Offensively, where he ends up will turn largely on the development of his perimeter shot. He is early in his development after only one season of college basketball at 14 minutes per game. But wow, the tools are there.


Hard to see him developing much of a shot....I mean, it's really nonexistent right now. Given his height, frame, and lack of a jumper, he seems like an athletic 4 that can guard multiple positions defensively, but essentially be a 5 on offense (like Vando).


If Vanderbilt was good at catching the ball and finishing around the hoop he would be much less of an offensive liability.


Absolutely. I use Brandon Clarke as an example of someone that can be very effective at the 4 or small-ball 5 without having any sort of outside shot. But he can catch and finish in traffic plus has a nice little close-in floater. If Vando was stronger on the catch and finish it would make a massive difference.
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monsterpile wrote:
lipoli390 wrote:https://youtu.be/nsPQ_MTcMVA

I've watched a lot of video of Minott the past couple days. This one is my favorite because it shows his entire skill set with excerpts of him talking. Wow! A great talent and really smart. He's got a super high motor and very high IQ. Add in terrific length and great athleticism. I strongly encourage all of you to watch this video if it's the only Minott video you see.

I was listening to Britt on the last Dane Moore podcast last night. Britt made a good point about how rubes like us get attached to certain players as we prepare for the draft by scouring the Internet for videos, reviews and stats. And as we zero in on some players, we ignore others. He's absolutely right. I'll confess I watched no video of Minott and had never seen him play in a game before the draft. And I only read one draft analysis of him. I can tell you that, if I had focused on his videos and draft reviews before draft he definitely would have been on my favorites list. I also didn't watch much Kessler video before the draft because I pretty much dismissed him early on because he didn't excite me and I have a strong bias towards wings and high-end athletes. But having watched a ton of Kessler videos and read just about every review I could find since the draft, I'm feeling better about Kessler, although I'm still not excited about him. But as for Minott, I'm really excited - in spite of his poor perimeter shot.

Note to Drew: I was a Corey Brewer fan and Minott is far more talented than Brewer. Minott is longer, more athletic and just far more dynamic. Now, he may end up never being as good as Corey. But his upside is at another level compared to Corey.


Lip that was the first video I watched of Minott after he was drafted. It was interesting to hear they think he isn't done growing. It made me think of McDaniels. He is young and was productive in filling the stat sheet. What would he have done in a year or two more in college?


Yeah, Monster. That point about him not being done growing jumped out at me too. Another thing that jumped out was the fact that he's been called "baby Giannis." You're absolutely right that his hands and finishing ability around the basket significantly distinguish him from Vando. Physically and athletically, Brewer's not in MInott's league. I disagree with those who assume he won't develop a shot. As I'm sure you noticed, this video shows him hitting mid-range jumpers off the bounce and three-pointers. So again, we're not talking about Vando. No doubt, he has a long way to go developing his offensive skill set, including especially his perimeter shooting. But while I'm in Vegas for Summer League, I'll go to the betting window and put some money down that MInott eventually developed into a good shooter and becomes a really good two-way NBA player.
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