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Tactical unit wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:If Lip could pull off this deal screw hiring Connelly let him have the gig. It's an interesting multi team deal but I don't see any way the Hornets say yes to that.

I think an easy draft day deal could involve Naz Reid. The reality is that if the Wolves actually hire Connelly almost anything could happen because even if he isn't looking to make any big moves he likely won't be as tied to certain players as maybe others in the Wolves organization are now. Seriously if he gets the gig I may as well just sit back and see what happens and have a lot of confidence in doing so. Hiring Connelly would really free up some time for me. Come on Glen look into his eyes.

Monster - Connelly's out and I'm in. Don't worry, I'm going to get the deal done. I don't care what Wild and Duke think. They're wrong and I'm right. :). I have photos of MJ that I think will motivate him to want Porzingis. I'll leave it at that.

Regarding Naz Reid, I agree he's a valuable trade chip. My question to you is whether he can be traded on draft day. According to ESPN, he can't be traded until June 29. You seem pretty savvy about CBA issues. What do you know about this?

Maybe it's because his option hasn't been exercised yet so maybe then the trade machine considers he is on his last year and therefore can't be dealt? Idk but I think he can be dealt I'll look into it more later and read Larry Coon's CBA FAQ or maybe Gupta needs to call someone and get that thing fixed! Lol

Edit: You sent me down a rabbit hole...if you don't hear from me by tomorrow send help!!!

Ok so...hopefully I got this stuff right.

So to trade either Naz or Nowell before the end of the league year it looks like the a wolves wound have to either decline or exercise the option they have because it's the last year of their deal. Obviously for either player it would be opting in for a trade. Oddly it sounds like for guys in their situation you could decline their option and still deal them. Once that option is exercised no team can do an extension. Nowell and Naz can be extended this summer if either side could come to an agreement. I personally don't think it makes sense for either side to do it and it might benefit both sides to wait as cap holds for both guys next offseason would've small and then both sides could basically work out a market deal...or either side walk away.

Fun other stuff. Al Horford has various triggers in his contract for how much he is guaranteed of his 26 million in salary next season. Right now 14.5 million is guaranteed. If Boston makes the finals 19.5 guaranteed and if they win the championship it's fully guaranteed. Nobody will be complaining about paying him all that money next year if that happens. I thought they may have had a hard time declining it anyway or declining the option and still signing him for a few million. Basically would they have been willing to pay Horford around 11.5 million more than if they just let him go? My answer right now is it would have probably been a bit of a no brainer to keep him.

Also apparently in trades only what money is guaranteed for the season is included in the trade. So guys like a Juancho who has non-guaranteed money this year or next year Beasley have much less value to trade than I thought. This makes me a little more interested in dealing Beasley earlier than I was previously. I'm not sure if maybe Juancho can have his option declined and still be dealt before the end of the league year or not. This stuff gets complicated. Lol

Oh and something to file away if a player has a no trade clause from signing a 1 year deal or 2 year deal with one of the options (I think it was a player option) then if they waive that trade clause then any Bird rights they have with their current team do not go with the next team. I remember this being a consideration for Bazz at one point but...unfortunately for him it didn't matter. I see he played a couple G-league games this year...it doesn't look like it went well. It has went much better for him in China in the past and this season for some other league for 4 games this year it looks like he was playing against 8th graders or something. He averaged 18 rebounds a game!!!! We need Bazz at PF!!! Just kidding Abe it's gonna be ok.

Sorry still confused...Naz yes can be traded or no can not be traded on draft day due to his contract?

Naz set to make 1,930,681 next year in final year of deal if not waved by July 20th right?

kekgeek1 wrote:Personally I don't think Naz has much value around the league. He is a solid NBA player but he hasn't shown to ability to play PF, doesn't protect the rim, gets bullied by bigger players. Naz is a good offensive backup center but I don't think team is giving up anything of value to acquire Naz and also have him be a UFA next year

Tactical unit wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:Personally I don't think Naz has much value around the league. He is a solid NBA player but he hasn't shown to ability to play PF, doesn't protect the rim, gets bullied by bigger players. Naz is a good offensive backup center but I don't think team is giving up anything of value to acquire Naz and also have him be a UFA next year

I tend to agree about his value but that's more based on him only having one year left than any of the other points made.

Look at his Per 36 Minutes stats
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/reidna01.html#all_per_minute-playoffs_per_minute

Has he been giving the chance to play PF? If no that might prove your point more :)

I feel he rim protects some, walls up with out fouling and per 36 stats have him at 2 BLKs last two years. What games did he get bullied by bigger players? I'd like to go re-watch and form an opinion. If it's against top notch Centers in the league not many backup centers such as Naz do fare well.

His pick and roll game and ability to shoot should not be over looked, Naz is a pretty good backup center especially considering the salary.

monsterpile wrote:

Tactical unit wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:Personally I don't think Naz has much value around the league. He is a solid NBA player but he hasn't shown to ability to play PF, doesn't protect the rim, gets bullied by bigger players. Naz is a good offensive backup center but I don't think team is giving up anything of value to acquire Naz and also have him be a UFA next year

I tend to agree about his value but that's more based on him only having one year left than any of the other points made.

Look at his Per 36 Minutes stats
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/reidna01.html#all_per_minute-playoffs_per_minute

Has he been giving the chance to play PF? If no that might prove your point more :)

I feel he rim protects some, walls up with out fouling and per 36 stats have him at 2 BLKs last two years. What games did he get bullied by bigger players? I'd like to go re-watch and form an opinion. If it's against top notch Centers in the league not many backup centers such as Naz do fare well.

His pick and roll game and ability to shoot should not be over looked, Naz is a pretty good backup center especially considering the salary.

Naz is a productive big that hasn't turned 23 yet. One reason why a team would want to acquire him is that if they are a team that will have cap space next year he would have a small cap hold and they could resign him after they go over the cap. How much is he worth in terms of salary? Idk and maybe the small cap hold wouldn't matter much but there is also a chance he breaks out in one way or another and then what he would get would go up. He isn't a rim protector but he is a shotblocker that also can hit 3's and again is still a young big and generally speaking it a lot of times big guys take time to develop. Naz is quite frankly well ahead of where it would have been expected based on him coming out of college after a year and not getting drafted. I'm only in favor of trading him if the Wolves get value back. If they don't then keep him and maybe sign him to a value contract next summer.

Q-was-here wrote:This franchise needs to acquire a legit-sized Center this offseason that has size, strength, sets big screens, eats up space, etc. The reality is that Naz plays pretty small most of the time. He tends to get overwhelmed in the paint more often than not on defense and he's too slow footed to guard modern day 4s. I think teams would care WAY more about his defensive deficiencies than his offensive strengths, and therefore I agree with Kek that's he not worth that much on the open market.

kekgeek1 wrote:

Q-was-here wrote:This franchise needs to acquire a legit-sized Center this offseason that has size, strength, sets big screens, eats up space, etc. The reality is that Naz plays pretty small most of the time. He tends to get overwhelmed in the paint more often than not on defense and he's too slow footed to guard modern day 4s. I think teams would care WAY more about his defensive deficiencies than his offensive strengths, and therefore I agree with Kek that's he not worth that much on the open market.

I want to say I think Naz is a very solid NBA basketball player and I think he will have a long NBA career but I just don't know why other teams would value him high. I mean these last 2 years we have all wanted to add a big center type and that is because Naz can't provide that. When Naz has been paired with another big his those lineups have been destroyed -14.1 this last year, -4.2 in 2021 and only 23 possessions his rookie year in 2020.

Once again Naz is not a bad NBA player, he is a solid player but Lip mentioned he is on a team friendly contract. Well that is not the case anymore any team trading for Naz will have to pay him next year or he walks in UFA.

I just don't think teams are excited to add Naz because he is a backup Center who bring little on defense and probably is unplayable in most playoff scenarios. Wolves might be able to get a 2nd round pick for Naz but I don't think he has any legit trade value (He doesn't have negative trade value though).

Q-was-here wrote:This franchise needs to acquire a legit-sized Center this offseason that has size, strength, sets big screens, eats up space, etc. The reality is that Naz plays pretty small most of the time. He tends to get overwhelmed in the paint more often than not on defense and he's too slow footed to guard modern day 4s. I think teams would care WAY more about his defensive deficiencies than his offensive strengths, and therefore I agree with Kek that's he not worth that much on the open market.

lipoli390 wrote:

Q-was-here wrote:This franchise needs to acquire a legit-sized Center this offseason that has size, strength, sets big screens, eats up space, etc. The reality is that Naz plays pretty small most of the time. He tends to get overwhelmed in the paint more often than not on defense and he's too slow footed to guard modern day 4s. I think teams would care WAY more about his defensive deficiencies than his offensive strengths, and therefore I agree with Kek that's he not worth that much on the open market.

I agree with you one what we need. But I think he has more value in the market than you're assuming. He's really efficient around the basket and I see him developing into a very good 3-point shooter. His shot-blocking suggests he can be more of a presence defensively than we've seen to day. And the dude is only 23 years old. I think that all adds up to at least some of the League's 30 teams ascribing significant value to him. Of course, the only way to know is to shop him around. But note that it only takes one team GM really liking him. It's the highest bidder that sets the market price. I don't see Naz as the centerpiece of any deal. He's more like the frosting on the Beasley cake.