Hypothetical Wolves Pre-Draft Day Deals - Would You or Wouldn’t You?

[WildWolf2813]

This three team trade works in trade machine and is a variation on the Lowry/DLO trade but instead of getting pick 27, Wolves get Tyler Herro. Jimmy and Kyrie are friends and with the news that Kyrie may part ways with the Nets, both Miami and Nets might have some incentive to do a deal like this. Thoughts?

Wolves (outgoing): DLO
Wolves (incoming): Tyler Herro, Lowry
Heat (outgoing): Max Strus, Tyler Herro, Kyle Lowry
Heat (incoming): Kyrie Irving
Nets (outgoing): Kyrie Irving
Nets (incoming): DLO, Max Strus

The Nets are in no way trading Kyrie for D'Lo and Max Strus with us extracting the most value out of this.

[Lipoli390]

Do we really need yet another pick in this draft? I question the premise of the poll. What about us being the team wanting a win-now vet?

I see your point, Q. But I see the Wolves as more of a "win-soon" team than a "win-now" team. I think Tim Connelly sees it that way too, which is why he cautioned us in his intro press conference that the road to success is not linear. In other words, Connelly was telling us not to expect this team to go from 46 wins to 54 next season. He just came here under a long-term deal. He'll be looking to keep the Wolves on a positive trajectory, but also to build a sustainable winner that's poised to peak when Ant and McDaniels are at least within sniffing distance of their prime and KAT is still in his prime. Win now teams are the Sixers, Heat, and Nets who have older vets on really big contracts. The Wizards strike me as another win-now team with the Wizards missing the playoffs again last season and Beal on the threshold of wanting out.

The Wolves are well positioned nearly $20M below the luxury tax threshold and all their cap exceptions. They also have some valuable trade assets on their roster in Beasley, DLO, Naz Reid, Vanderbilt and McDaniels. The Wolves' biggest need is a C or PF with size and rebounding ability to start next to KAT in place of Vanderbilt. As it turns out, there are a lot of good centers and power forwards in this summer's free agent pool. In other words, the Wolves are well positioned this summer to take a step forward through free agency and/or trades and still build their talent base through the draft. Adding a second lower 1st-round pick along with pick #19 makes sense for the Wolves.

I'd like either of the two deals with the Sixers. The Wolves would be able to draft two promising young players in the first round on reasonable contracts while using their remaining two 2nd-round picks in potential trades - a minor deal with Naz Reid to move up a couple slots form 19 or in more major deals involving Beasley or DLO.

Note that, like others, I wouldn't even consider either of the Miami deals. Yuck!

[D-Mac [enjin:19736340]]

The following trade offer is the only one here that I'd lean towards accepting: Malik Beasley and the 40th overall pick for Danny Green, Matisse Thybulle, and the 23rd overall pick. I think there's an argument to be had that Thybulle has a bigger impact than Beasley does despite the latter being more offensively-gifted. And then you add a first-round pick on top of that. That would be a win, I think.

That's the one I'd do too, but man this team better have nothing but shooters lined up to get drafted. Otherwise we traded up to get Aussie Okogie.

side note: Thybulle is also unvaxxed

Nice, I'd have a new favorite player on the team

[Lipoli390]

This three team trade works in trade machine and is a variation on the Lowry/DLO trade but instead of getting pick 27, Wolves get Tyler Herro. Jimmy and Kyrie are friends and with the news that Kyrie may part ways with the Nets, both Miami and Nets might have some incentive to do a deal like this. Thoughts?

Wolves (outgoing): DLO
Wolves (incoming): Tyler Herro, Lowry
Heat (outgoing): Max Strus, Tyler Herro, Kyle Lowry
Heat (incoming): Kyrie Irving
Nets (outgoing): Kyrie Irving
Nets (incoming): DLO, Max Strus

The Nets are in no way trading Kyrie for D'Lo and Max Strus with us extracting the most value out of this.

I'm not sure what more the Nets could expect for Kyrie. As talented as he is, you won't see a bunch of teams lining up to pay him $30-40 million per year knowing that he's all about himself and can't be counted on. The Lakers are apparently interested in Kyrie. Of course, the Lakers are desperate. Perhaps the Nets would prefer to swap Kyrie for Westbrook. So be it. But DLO and Max Strus is arguably fair market value for Kyrie given what the salary Kyrie will command given his $39M option with the Nets. The Wolves could add their #48 pick to the deal as a little sweetener for the Nets. The fact is that the Nets have no leverage with Kyrie right now.

[WildWolf2813]

This three team trade works in trade machine and is a variation on the Lowry/DLO trade but instead of getting pick 27, Wolves get Tyler Herro. Jimmy and Kyrie are friends and with the news that Kyrie may part ways with the Nets, both Miami and Nets might have some incentive to do a deal like this. Thoughts?

Wolves (outgoing): DLO
Wolves (incoming): Tyler Herro, Lowry
Heat (outgoing): Max Strus, Tyler Herro, Kyle Lowry
Heat (incoming): Kyrie Irving
Nets (outgoing): Kyrie Irving
Nets (incoming): DLO, Max Strus

The Nets are in no way trading Kyrie for D'Lo and Max Strus with us extracting the most value out of this.

I'm not sure what more the Nets could expect for Kyrie. As talented as he is, you won't see a bunch of teams lining up to pay him $30-40 million per year knowing that he's all about himself and can't be counted on. The Lakers are apparently interested in Kyrie. Of course, the Lakers are desperate. Perhaps the Nets would prefer to swap Kyrie for Westbrook. So be it. But DLO and Max Strus is arguably fair market value for Kyrie given what the salary Kyrie will command given his $39M option with the Nets. The Wolves could add their #48 pick to the deal as a little sweetener for the Nets. The fact is that the Nets have no leverage with Kyrie right now.

If D'Lo carries similar trade value to Kyrie, we might as well get him ourselves. In that trade offer though, they'd take Herro and Lowry before they take D'Lo, and that's with the Nets really needing more bigs than anything

[Lipoli390]

This three team trade works in trade machine and is a variation on the Lowry/DLO trade but instead of getting pick 27, Wolves get Tyler Herro. Jimmy and Kyrie are friends and with the news that Kyrie may part ways with the Nets, both Miami and Nets might have some incentive to do a deal like this. Thoughts?

Wolves (outgoing): DLO
Wolves (incoming): Tyler Herro, Lowry
Heat (outgoing): Max Strus, Tyler Herro, Kyle Lowry
Heat (incoming): Kyrie Irving
Nets (outgoing): Kyrie Irving
Nets (incoming): DLO, Max Strus

The Nets are in no way trading Kyrie for D'Lo and Max Strus with us extracting the most value out of this.

I'm not sure what more the Nets could expect for Kyrie. As talented as he is, you won't see a bunch of teams lining up to pay him $30-40 million per year knowing that he's all about himself and can't be counted on. The Lakers are apparently interested in Kyrie. Of course, the Lakers are desperate. Perhaps the Nets would prefer to swap Kyrie for Westbrook. So be it. But DLO and Max Strus is arguably fair market value for Kyrie given what the salary Kyrie will command given his $39M option with the Nets. The Wolves could add their #48 pick to the deal as a little sweetener for the Nets. The fact is that the Nets have no leverage with Kyrie right now.

If D'Lo carries similar trade value to Kyrie, we might as well get him ourselves. In that trade offer though, they'd take Herro and Lowry before they take D'Lo, and that's with the Nets really needing more bigs than anything

I think DLO has more value around the League than Kyrie right now. Having said that, I would agree that the Nets would greatly prefer Lowry and Herro over DLO. But I doubt Pat Riley would have any interest in Kyrie. He's the antithesis of a Pat Riley guy. So I wouldn't see this or any deal happening that had Miami acquiring Kyrie.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

I think DLO has more value around the League than Kyrie right now. Having said that, I would agree that the Nets would greatly prefer Lowry and Herro over DLO. But I doubt Pat Riley would have any interest in Kyrie. He's the antithesis of a Pat Riley guy. So I wouldn't see this or any deal happening that had Miami acquiring Kyrie.

I don't know about that last part. I could see Kyrie Irving being an awesome fit in Miami, and he supposedly has a good relationship or friendship with Jimmy Butler. That stingy Heat defense paired with a ball-dominant lead guard like Kyrie would theoretically mesh well. I don't know if Pat Riley would be willing to move Tyler Herro right now, but I do think he'd have some legitimate interest in getting Kyrie.

[D-Mac [enjin:19736340]]

I think DLO has more value around the League than Kyrie right now. Having said that, I would agree that the Nets would greatly prefer Lowry and Herro over DLO. But I doubt Pat Riley would have any interest in Kyrie. He's the antithesis of a Pat Riley guy. So I wouldn't see this or any deal happening that had Miami acquiring Kyrie.

I don't know about that last part. I could see Kyrie Irving being an awesome fit in Miami, and he supposedly has a good relationship or friendship with Jimmy Butler. That stingy Heat defense paired with a ball-dominant lead guard like Kyrie would theoretically mesh well. I don't know if Pat Riley would be willing to move Tyler Herro right now, but I do think he'd have some legitimate interest in getting Kyrie.

I agree, I think Kyrie would be a great fit in Miami. I really have no idea if Dlo has more value than Kyrie, but I guess I'd really doubt it. I'd actually be willing to trade Dlo, naz and a couple 2nds for Kyrie if that's all it would take to get him here.

[Lipoli390]

I think DLO has more value around the League than Kyrie right now. Having said that, I would agree that the Nets would greatly prefer Lowry and Herro over DLO. But I doubt Pat Riley would have any interest in Kyrie. He's the antithesis of a Pat Riley guy. So I wouldn't see this or any deal happening that had Miami acquiring Kyrie.

I don't know about that last part. I could see Kyrie Irving being an awesome fit in Miami, and he supposedly has a good relationship or friendship with Jimmy Butler. That stingy Heat defense paired with a ball-dominant lead guard like Kyrie would theoretically mesh well. I don't know if Pat Riley would be willing to move Tyler Herro right now, but I do think he'd have some legitimate interest in getting Kyrie.

I agree, I think Kyrie would be a great fit in Miami. I really have no idea if Dlo has more value than Kyrie, but I guess I'd really doubt it. I'd actually be willing to trade Dlo, naz and a couple 2nds for Kyrie if that's all it would take to get him here.

I'd bet Glen Taylor's fortune that Tim Connelly would NEVER consider trading for Kyrie Irving. As for Miami, I could see them trading for him. They might figure their culture is so strong that it would get the most out of Kyrie. But I still don't think Riley would do that deal. Kyrie is all about Kyrie. Even though Jimmy might consider Kyrie a friend, that doesn't mean Jimmy would want him as his teammate. I wouldn't bet a ton of money against Kyrie ending up in Miami, but I wouldn't bet anything on it happening either. I think the most likely landing spot for Kyrie will be the Lakers.

[SameOldNudityDrew]

I suspect the Sixers think those proposals undervalue Thybulle, and I'd agree. Dude is not an outside threat at all, but he's such a great defender, which they need next to Harden, and they need wing defense with Simmons gone.