Wolves Offseason - Who Will and Won’t Be Traded

[Lipoli390]

Monster - I wouldn't turn down the 3rd pick in this year's a draft just to avoid the luxury tax. But I'll note that even if the Wolves end up with the third pick, they'll still be able to deal Ricky or Culver for a lower salaried player or a 2nd round pick to stay under the tax threshold.

[Monster]

Monster - I wouldn't turn down the 3rd pick in this year's a draft just to avoid the luxury tax. But I'll note that even if the Wolves end up with the third pick, they'll still be able to deal Ricky or Culver for a lower salaried player or a 2nd round pick to stay under the tax threshold.

I'm just not as confident as you but again I like the optimism! :) I do think the Wolves having multiple guys on expiring deals Rubio Juancho Culver and Layman give them some options in making deals. What the market is for Rubio might depend on various player movement this offseason. For example The Raptors were reportedly interested in Rubio if they dealt Lowry.

[WildWolf2813]

Golden State will get the 7th pick. We already don't have our 2nd rounder. That means Bolmaro is coming.


New Orleans has three 2nd rounders. See if you can trade Culver for one of them and draft Matthew Hurt. If not, 4 teams have a trade exception that can absorb Culver for a year if they wanna go that route.
Philly's TE = $8.2 mil
Orlando's TE = $17 mil
Houston's TE = $8.1 mil
Boston's TE = $11 mil


The downside to Philly and Boston is that absorbing Culver puts them in the tax. Orlando is the under the cap and their exemption ends in 2022. They can offer Indy's 2022 2nd and a crap 2025 2nd and the Wolves will take it and run.

Layman if he gets moved at all is filler with Rubio or Hernangomez or even Beasley.

Vanderbilt returns on a 3 year $12 mil deal. If the Wolves wanna bring back James Johnson on a 1 year deal go for it, but only if they can dump Layman for free



BOS = $11.1 mil
CLE = $4.2 mil
DEN = $5.3 mil
HOU = $8.1, $5 mil
IND = $4.8 mil
MIL = $4.9 mil
ORL = $17.1, $4.3 mil
PHI = $8.1 mil
UTAH = $5 mil

OKC alone has 4 trade exceptions of $9.5 mil or higher.

So here's a boring offer that clears up a lot of space for us

Minnesota gets a 2025 Celtics 2nd
Orlando gets Culver and our 2022 2nd via Philly
Indiana gets Layman and their 2022 2nd rounder back from Orlando


C Towns /Reid /UDFA big
PF Johnson /Vanderbilt /Hernangomez
SF McDaniels /Okogie
SG Edwards /Beasley /Bolmaro
PG Russell /Rubio /Nowell

sign the best UDFA center you can get and two way a PG and barely be under the tax.

[Lipoli390]

Good information and analysis, Wild.

Orlando is the perfect trading partner for Culver. They have recently gone into full rebuild mode. Therefore, adding a young consensus top 6 pick from the 2019 draft would make a lot of sense for them. When you're at the very beginning of your rebuild as Orlando is, you load up on young talent and hope you hit on one or more. Moreover, they can't count on any of the young pieces they already have in place to build around. In the front court, Isaac has serious durability issues, Carter is solid but not a future all-star caliber player and Mo Bamba looks like a draft bust. In the backcourt. Fultz remains an enigma and is now coming off ACL surgery. Meanwhile, Cole Anthony shot under 40% from the field and doesn't strike me as having a lot of upside. I see RJ Hampton as their best young backcourt prospect, but he has a long way to go. Culver would fit well with Fultz, Anthony and Hampton as part of a group of young guards to evaluate and develop. Culver can also play some SF. Orlando's trade exceptions would more than cover Culver's $6.5M salary. And after next season, Orlando drops way under the salary cap, so they'd have a lot of flexibility to re-sign Culver and/or others if they show promise.

I think trading Culver for Orlando's own 2021 or 2022 second round pick would be realistic. Trading the 33rd pick in this year's draft for the #6 pick just two years ago would be a reasonable exchange. Orlando already has two lottery picks in this year's draft - their own and the Bulls' pick, so they might be inclined to favor Culver over another pick. I'd probably prefer to get Orlando's 2022 pick because we have Bolmaro coming here this season and have very little salary or roster room to absorb another young player. A future pick is easier to give up, so I can easily see Orlando swapping their 2022 pick for Culver.

[Monster]

Good information and analysis, Wild.

Orlando is the perfect trading partner for Culver. They have recently gone into full rebuild mode. Therefore, adding a young consensus top 6 pick from the 2019 draft would make a lot of sense for them. When you're at the very beginning of your rebuild as Orlando is, you load up on young talent and hope you hit on one or more. Moreover, they can't count on any of the young pieces they already have in place to build around. In the front court, Isaac has serious durability issues, Carter is solid but not a future all-star caliber player and Mo Bamba looks like a draft bust. In the backcourt. Fultz remains an enigma and is now coming off ACL surgery. Meanwhile, Cole Anthony shot under 40% from the field and doesn't strike me as having a lot of upside. I see RJ Hampton as their best young backcourt prospect, but he has a long way to go. Culver would fit well with Fultz, Anthony and Hampton as part of a group of young guards to evaluate and develop. Culver can also play some SF. Orlando's trade exceptions would more than cover Culver's $6.5M salary. And after next season, Orlando drops way under the salary cap, so they'd have a lot of flexibility to re-sign Culver and/or others if they show promise.

I think trading Culver for Orlando's own 2021 or 2022 second round pick would be realistic. Trading the 33rd pick in this year's draft for the #6 pick just two years ago would be a reasonable exchange. Orlando already has two lottery picks in this year's draft - their own and the Bulls' pick, so they might be inclined to favor Culver over another pick. I'd probably prefer to get Orlando's 2022 pick because we have Bolmaro coming here this season and have very little salary or roster room to absorb another young player. A future pick is easier to give up, so I can easily see Orlando swapping their 2022 pick for Culver.

If Orlando wants Culver they can trade the Wolves the rights to Fran Vanquez and that's it and I would be happy to not have to pay anything to move on from him.

It will be interesting to see who Orlando hires as coach to replace Clifford.

Also when it comes to Cole Anthony it's worth mentioning that he came on as the season went along. The shooting was better and Lip I'm surprised you didn't give him props for his rebounding. Over 6 rebounds per 36 only a little more than a rebound less than Myles Turner. ;)

[Lipoli390]

Good information and analysis, Wild.

Orlando is the perfect trading partner for Culver. They have recently gone into full rebuild mode. Therefore, adding a young consensus top 6 pick from the 2019 draft would make a lot of sense for them. When you're at the very beginning of your rebuild as Orlando is, you load up on young talent and hope you hit on one or more. Moreover, they can't count on any of the young pieces they already have in place to build around. In the front court, Isaac has serious durability issues, Carter is solid but not a future all-star caliber player and Mo Bamba looks like a draft bust. In the backcourt. Fultz remains an enigma and is now coming off ACL surgery. Meanwhile, Cole Anthony shot under 40% from the field and doesn't strike me as having a lot of upside. I see RJ Hampton as their best young backcourt prospect, but he has a long way to go. Culver would fit well with Fultz, Anthony and Hampton as part of a group of young guards to evaluate and develop. Culver can also play some SF. Orlando's trade exceptions would more than cover Culver's $6.5M salary. And after next season, Orlando drops way under the salary cap, so they'd have a lot of flexibility to re-sign Culver and/or others if they show promise.

I think trading Culver for Orlando's own 2021 or 2022 second round pick would be realistic. Trading the 33rd pick in this year's draft for the #6 pick just two years ago would be a reasonable exchange. Orlando already has two lottery picks in this year's draft - their own and the Bulls' pick, so they might be inclined to favor Culver over another pick. I'd probably prefer to get Orlando's 2022 pick because we have Bolmaro coming here this season and have very little salary or roster room to absorb another young player. A future pick is easier to give up, so I can easily see Orlando swapping their 2022 pick for Culver.

If Orlando wants Culver they can trade the Wolves the rights to Fran Vanquez and that's it and I would be happy to not have to pay anything to move on from him.

It will be interesting to see who Orlando hires as coach to replace Clifford.

Also when it comes to Cole Anthony it's worth mentioning that he came on as the season went along. The shooting was better and Lip I'm surprised you didn't give him props for his rebounding. Over 6 rebounds per 36 only a little more than a rebound less than Myles Turner. ;)

Lol. Maybe we should go after Cole instead of Myles. :).

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

Revisiting this thread and, in a sense, the offseason as a whole.

First, nice job Lip on your initial post here.

Second, on the offseason as a whole, I'm really disappointed we did absolutely nothing to get bigger along the front line. Defensive rebounding and paint protection is a major defensive gap for this team and nothing was done to address it.

Third, we needed another 3&D wing to knock Okogie out of the rotation and upgrade our bench. Is Prince that person? Is Bolmaro? Doubtful on both fronts IMO. However, we did get an elite 3&D guard in Pat Beverley. While I love Ricky Rubio, I just think PBev is likely a better overall fit given how soft and defensively challenged the rest of the roster is.

Overall, if nothing else is done, I'd give the front office a C this offseason.

[Lipoli390]

Revisiting this thread and, in a sense, the offseason as a whole.

First, nice job Lip on your initial post here.

Second, on the offseason as a whole, I'm really disappointed we did absolutely nothing to get bigger along the front line. Defensive rebounding and paint protection is a major defensive gap for this team and nothing was done to address it.

Third, we needed another 3&D wing to knock Okogie out of the rotation and upgrade our bench. Is Prince that person? Is Bolmaro? Doubtful on both fronts IMO. However, we did get an elite 3&D guard in Pat Beverley. While I love Ricky Rubio, I just think PBev is likely a better overall fit given how soft and defensively challenged the rest of the roster is.

Overall, if nothing else is done, I'd give the front office a C this offseason.

Like you, I'm disappointed we didn't add a defensive big to the roster. I'm less disappointed by the failure to add a 3&D wing for several reasons. First, as you noted, we've added a terrific 3&D guard in Beverley. Second, we've added a very good 3-point shooting wing in Prince who is decent defensively. Third, I think McDaniels has shown enough to believe he has a good chance of being a solid 3&D wing for us. We've added Bolmaro to the roster and he certainly has the potential to be a good 3&D guy. Okogie is a corner-three away from being a solid 3&D guy. I still haven't completely given up on him in that role given his consistently good free-throw shooting and his two year college track record as a 38% three-point shooter on 4 attempts per game.

The off-season isn't over yet. Rosas might still end up trading for Simmons or maybe even Myles Turner. As of now, I'm going to be a little more generous than you in my assessment of our front office performance this summer. When you consider the minimal assets they had to work with (no draft picks and minimal room under the luxury tax), I think our front office deserves a B.

I give them a lot of credit for turning Culver and Juancho into Patrick Beverley. That was impressive. And while I wasn't thrilled with the Rubio deal for Prince, I've come around on that. Prince is a bona fide 3-point shooter, which the team needed. I think he can add more than 3-point shooting. Prince came into the League as a lottery pick and, at age 27, he's in the heart of his prime. So he brings veteran savvy but he should also be at the top of his game. I give the Wolves front office credit for re-signing Vando and J-Mac, especially Vando, and doing so on team-friendly contracts. As it turns out, the additional financial flexibility from the Rubio-Prince deal allowed the Wolves to re-sign both Vando and J-Mac. I also give Rosas credit for not caving to the demands of Morey or anyone else and avoiding the temptation to give up too much to make a splash. The discipline of our front office from last February's trade deadline through this summer so far has been commendable.

[Monster]

Revisiting this thread and, in a sense, the offseason as a whole.

First, nice job Lip on your initial post here.

Second, on the offseason as a whole, I'm really disappointed we did absolutely nothing to get bigger along the front line. Defensive rebounding and paint protection is a major defensive gap for this team and nothing was done to address it.

Third, we needed another 3&D wing to knock Okogie out of the rotation and upgrade our bench. Is Prince that person? Is Bolmaro? Doubtful on both fronts IMO. However, we did get an elite 3&D guard in Pat Beverley. While I love Ricky Rubio, I just think PBev is likely a better overall fit given how soft and defensively challenged the rest of the roster is.

Overall, if nothing else is done, I'd give the front office a C this offseason.

Like you, I'm disappointed we didn't add a defensive big to the roster. I'm less disappointed by the failure to add a 3&D wing for several reasons. First, as you noted, we've added a terrific 3&D guard in Beverley. Second, we've added a very good 3-point shooting wing in Prince who is decent defensively. Third, I think McDaniels has shown enough to believe he has a good chance of being a solid 3&D wing for us. We've added Bolmaro to the roster and he certainly has the potential to be a good 3&D guy. Okogie is a corner-three away from being a solid 3&D guy. I still haven't completely given up on him in that role given his consistently good free-throw shooting and his two year college track record as a 38% three-point shooter on 4 attempts per game.

The off-season isn't over yet. Rosas might still end up trading for Simmons or maybe even Myles Turner. As of now, I'm going to be a little more generous than you in my assessment of our front office performance this summer. When you consider the minimal assets they had to work with (no draft picks and minimal room under the luxury tax), I think our front office deserves a B.

I give them a lot of credit for turning Culver and Juancho into Patrick Beverley. That was impressive. And while I wasn't thrilled with the Rubio deal for Prince, I've come around on that. Prince is a bona fide 3-point shooter, which the team needed. I think he can add more than 3-point shooting. Prince came into the League as a lottery pick and, at age 27, he's in the heart of his prime. So he brings veteran savvy but he should also be at the top of his game. I give the Wolves front office credit for re-signing Vando and J-Mac, especially Vando, and doing so on team-friendly contracts. As it turns out, the additional financial flexibility from the Rubio-Prince deal allowed the Wolves to re-sign both Vando and J-Mac. I also give Rosas credit for not caving to the demands of Morey or anyone else and avoiding the temptation to give up too much to make a splash. The discipline of our front office from last February's trade deadline through this summer so far has been commendable.

Lip I agree Rosas and the front office should get some credit for patience and how they have played this offseason based on the way they went into the offseason with various constraints. I was hoping MAYBE they could make a somewhat significant move but I didn't really think it was going to happen after looking at some many salaries etc on various teams and not finding matches. Personally I was just hoping they could make some moves without giving up any assets. They ended up instead of losing a 2nd round pick to have salary room they gained one. The way some other PG types got moved around later this offseason it seems like dealing Rubio early actually paid off.

Meanwhile I think a lot of us thought if they made a move it would make sense to move a guy like Beasley...guess what he is still here and is a trade asset and still a nice player for this team as well. The wolves didn't really do anything to downgrade their team while saving money and likely adding players that improves the fit of the roster and these moves mean in adding salary flexibility they were able to keep Vanderbilt and McLaughlin who they clearly value.

I also think that while I know Q isn't high on Knight he is more of a legit big than Juancho was so in a way there is possibly a little bit of a gain there also. Other than Beverly and having flexibility to bring back Vanderbilt I get this offseason wasn't very exciting but to me it made a lot of sense and was sort of impressive all things considered. I'm biased though this was sort of my type of offseason. Lol

[BloopOracle]

I wasn't sure which thread to post this in, but Anthony Edwards is now bowling in the mid 200s after just getting into bowling this off season lol. Maybe there really is anything he can't do!?