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Trading Teague will depend on his own health and the position around the league. There could be value in keeping Teague the whole year to stay competitive and Look like we might be going the right direction. I don't think what we do with Teague will have a significant impact on the franchise going forward. Again if you want to move a guy for some 2nd round picks Napier is more likely to go because his salary is easier to trade and he would be a nice add for a variety of teams if they had a need.
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sjm34 wrote:
WolvesFan21 wrote:
Q12543 wrote:
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crazy-canuck wrote:Shooting.

Outside of washington, i don't think weve played a good game. We are grinding out games and finding ways to win.

Kat and wiggs have yet to sync in the same game.

With kat and wiggs showing the ability to find an open man, we need to surround them eith shooters.


We need more Covingtons. Elite defenders with great 3 point shooting. Maybe Culver can be that plus more?


Yup, it's really the same thing we've needed since Al Jefferson, then Kevin Love, and now KAT came into the picture. We have had really good bigs that could carry an offense to a large degree, yet weren't the best defenders. They need space to operate and guys that can defend the perimeter.

It's stunning to me how this franchise has failed time and again to identify and develop shooters and defenders despite desperately needing this player profile for over 10 years now.

RoCo is the PERFECT role player for us. Too bad he's 29 years old.


I think he has a solid 4-5 years still, his game isn't built tremendously around athleticism. If he even slows down a bit, it'll be OK. He can still defend well which is very much mental and instinctive then knock down the 3. For other guys like a Russell Westbrook it can be much more detrimental, his game is highly based on athleticism and he doesn't have size, so he needs some burst to get to the rim. If that extra burst he has over others go his game will be awful, because he can't shoot and is small on defense.


I disagree. The guy missed how many games last year due to bumping knees with another player? I think Cov and the wolves know there is a major issue with the knee still. Sounds like a typical lack of due diligence on the wolves part during the Butler trade, AGAIN!


Covington said it was a deep bone bruise which take a long time to heal. It's just a freak injury. He wasn't hurt coming here, as much as I'd like to blame Thibs for being an idiot on the trade, it was OK at the time. I still wanted Doncic before the draft and for the Wolves to deal Butler for a top 3 pick. That would have been ideal.
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Covington's game will age well as he will turn into a role playing PF. The fact that he has missed more than a handful of games each season over the years is concerning but like others said he could loose a bit of athletic ability and still be fine. I think whatever team he plays for would be wise to keep from playing him a boatload of minutes.
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Covington is a good role player that you need a winning team. The problem is we don't have our core yet.
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WolvesFan21 wrote:
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I disagree. The guy missed how many games last year due to bumping knees with another player? I think Cov and the wolves know there is a major issue with the knee still. Sounds like a typical lack of due diligence on the wolves part during the Butler trade, AGAIN!


Covington said it was a deep bone bruise which take a long time to heal. It's just a freak injury. He wasn't hurt coming here, as much as I'd like to blame Thibs for being an idiot on the trade, it was OK at the time. I still wanted Doncic before the draft and for the Wolves to deal Butler for a top 3 pick. That would have been ideal.


I am pretty well versed on the knee bone bruises. They can take a while to heal, but we are well over 6 months removed. The contact didn't look like anything that would have caused something that severe. I was thinking the bone bruise is more likely due to lack of meniscus and cartilage, and is something that was brewing for a while that could have been uncovered by an MRI. That would make more sense, and would explain the limited minutes going forward.
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bleedspeed177 wrote:Covington is a good role player that you need a winning team. The problem is we don't have our core yet.


I consider him better then a role player, you need elite defenders and 3 point shooting to win in the league. Guys like him are not a dime a dozen, if they were we would have a bunch. Sure great ball handlers/distributors and scoring is great too, you need both. Klay Thompson is essentially just a slightly better RoCo offensively (Klays a better shooter obviously, RoCo is probably a better defender). Really think about it. Once they lost Klay last year, they were done, for this season too. RoCo stays healthy last year and the Wolves make the playoffs.
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sjm34 wrote:
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sjm34 wrote:

I disagree. The guy missed how many games last year due to bumping knees with another player? I think Cov and the wolves know there is a major issue with the knee still. Sounds like a typical lack of due diligence on the wolves part during the Butler trade, AGAIN!


Covington said it was a deep bone bruise which take a long time to heal. It's just a freak injury. He wasn't hurt coming here, as much as I'd like to blame Thibs for being an idiot on the trade, it was OK at the time. I still wanted Doncic before the draft and for the Wolves to deal Butler for a top 3 pick. That would have been ideal.


I am pretty well versed on the knee bone bruises. They can take a while to heal, but we are well over 6 months removed. The contact didn't look like anything that would have caused something that severe. I was thinking the bone bruise is more likely due to lack of meniscus and cartilage, and is something that was brewing for a while that could have been uncovered by an MRI. That would make more sense, and would explain the limited minutes going forward.


I'm certainly no expert, but when he tried to comeback early, he said he was set back. Now he is fully healthy. (of course he would say this for his own good but he does look good on the court)
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WolvesFan21 wrote:
bleedspeed177 wrote:Covington is a good role player that you need a winning team. The problem is we don't have our core yet.


I consider him better then a role player, you need elite defenders and 3 point shooting to win in the league. Guys like him are not a dime a dozen, if they were we would have a bunch. Sure great ball handlers/distributors and scoring is great too, you need both. Klay Thompson is essentially just a slightly better RoCo offensively (Klays a better shooter obviously, RoCo is probably a better defender). Really think about it. Once they lost Klay last year, they were done, for this season too. RoCo stays healthy last year and the Wolves make the playoffs.


I guess I am saying you are no going to win many games with hi being your 2nd or 3rd best player. I think we are still looking for that guy.
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bleedspeed177 wrote:
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bleedspeed177 wrote:Covington is a good role player that you need a winning team. The problem is we don't have our core yet.


I consider him better then a role player, you need elite defenders and 3 point shooting to win in the league. Guys like him are not a dime a dozen, if they were we would have a bunch. Sure great ball handlers/distributors and scoring is great too, you need both. Klay Thompson is essentially just a slightly better RoCo offensively (Klays a better shooter obviously, RoCo is probably a better defender). Really think about it. Once they lost Klay last year, they were done, for this season too. RoCo stays healthy last year and the Wolves make the playoffs.


I guess I am saying you are no going to win many games with hi being your 2nd or 3rd best player. I think we are still looking for that guy.


We will see this season. It depends who your best player is too, KAT as much as I love him isn't as good as LeBron or Kawhi. Who are both elite distributors as well as scorers that make everyone better. LeBron took some fairly crappy rosters (in the east of course) to the Finals many years.

If Wiggins was an All Star like his contract pay is, then the Wolves could be a top seed. If RoCo is your 3rd best player you certainly could win a championship. It just depends how good your 1 and 2 are.
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WolvesFan21 wrote:
bleedspeed177 wrote:Covington is a good role player that you need a winning team. The problem is we don't have our core yet.


I consider him better then a role player, you need elite defenders and 3 point shooting to win in the league. Guys like him are not a dime a dozen, if they were we would have a bunch. Sure great ball handlers/distributors and scoring is great too, you need both. Klay Thompson is essentially just a slightly better RoCo offensively (Klays a better shooter obviously, RoCo is probably a better defender). Really think about it. Once they lost Klay last year, they were done, for this season too. RoCo stays healthy last year and the Wolves make the playoffs.


Even before we traded for him I felt Covington was the best role player in the NBA. A big wing who is a great volume 3-point shooter, elite defensively, and doesn't require even close to a high usage rate is pretty much the total package for role players.
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