Wiggins Trade Deadline Deals

[kekgeek]

OK, we've pretty much exhausted the Covington trade thread. The more I reflect, the more inclined I am to want to keep Covington - unless the Wolves get an offer they can't reasonably refuse. At the same time, I'm more convinced that the Wolves should trade Wiggins by the deadline while his value is at a higher level than it's been in quite some time. His numbers today against the Rockets were terrible. I also noticed that he's starting to take more long twos the last few games. I seem him regressing. And even at his best, he's not enough and clearly isn't worth his contract.

So let's explore some possible/realistic trades for Wiggins. Right now, I think Charlotte is the team most likely to deal for Wiggins. How about Wiggins and Treveon Graham for Batum, Charlotte's Graham, Charlotte's 2020 top 4 protected 1st and the Cavs' 2020 2nd round pick. I'd do the deal even if we didn't get Graham in return. We'd get immediate salary savings and also save two years of Wiggins' salary.

Well... that's an increase in value.

It was only a few months ago when I suggested a Wiggins for Batum trade straight up. Wiggins has shown signs... Batum has been abysmal. He's in full Mike Miller mode... sans any accuracy.

5.8 ppg
6.6 reb
4.7 apg
36.8%
... but that's PER 36. Terrible.

The question is whether Charlotte thinks they can get more from his large ($27M) expiring deal next year. In that case, I don't see Charlotte giving up a lottery pick in the deal.

Batum' s deal isn't expiring. His contract runs through next season. Wiggins has been playing well, Batum horribly. Wiggins has 4 years left, Batum 2. Wiggins still has youth and upside. As I see it, Batum is part of the deal only for salary-match purposes. The keys are getting draft assets and also possibly getting Graham, who would give us a legitimate young PG and 3-point shooter in one package. If Graham weren't included, I'm confident the Hornets would include their 2020 1st round pick if top 4 protected along with the Cavs 2nd round pick they own. They're in the hunt for a playoff birth in the East and swapping Batum for Wiggins would probably be enough to push the Hornets across the threshold while also giving them upside for the future.

By the say, if the Hornets wouldn't give us Graham, I'd insist on also getting the Hornets' 2022 first round pick (top 4 protected) along with their 2020 first round pick and the Cavs 2nd round pick - with Batum coming here for salary purposes.

Charlotte's not giving you 2 firsts for what is still a really bad contract. Wiggins has had to do a lot just to make it seem reasonable that they'd give you Batum and a 2nd for him. They're not gonna give you more than that since Devonte Graham is more of a driving force to their success than Wiggins could ever be.


We're stuck with Wiggins.

I wouldn't take what Wiggins is doing so lightly. Yes he is not a max player but Wiggins is 1 of 10 players in the NBA putting up his numbers or better of 23.6 pts, 5.2 rebs, 3.3 asts on 44%. Those players are.

Giannis, harden, luka, Kat, Irving, siakam, LBJ, Kawhi, Ingram and Wiggins.

I know in an early season podcast zach Lowe said he thinks the wolves could get PJ Washington, a bad contract (batum), one 1st for sure and possibly 2 1st for Wiggins (of course probably protection come with it).

Wiggins is not a max guy and still needs to improve to make the wolves better but he has significantly improved and is not a negative asset anymore.

Im still cool with the wolves looking to trade Wiggins but I want some legit value back because it's been a very solid season this year for Wiggins. Also his defensive rating is around league average.

[AbeVigodaLive]

OK, we've pretty much exhausted the Covington trade thread. The more I reflect, the more inclined I am to want to keep Covington - unless the Wolves get an offer they can't reasonably refuse. At the same time, I'm more convinced that the Wolves should trade Wiggins by the deadline while his value is at a higher level than it's been in quite some time. His numbers today against the Rockets were terrible. I also noticed that he's starting to take more long twos the last few games. I seem him regressing. And even at his best, he's not enough and clearly isn't worth his contract.

So let's explore some possible/realistic trades for Wiggins. Right now, I think Charlotte is the team most likely to deal for Wiggins. How about Wiggins and Treveon Graham for Batum, Charlotte's Graham, Charlotte's 2020 top 4 protected 1st and the Cavs' 2020 2nd round pick. I'd do the deal even if we didn't get Graham in return. We'd get immediate salary savings and also save two years of Wiggins' salary.

Well... that's an increase in value.

It was only a few months ago when I suggested a Wiggins for Batum trade straight up. Wiggins has shown signs... Batum has been abysmal. He's in full Mike Miller mode... sans any accuracy.

5.8 ppg
6.6 reb
4.7 apg
36.8%
... but that's PER 36. Terrible.

The question is whether Charlotte thinks they can get more from his large ($27M) expiring deal next year. In that case, I don't see Charlotte giving up a lottery pick in the deal.

Batum' s deal isn't expiring. His contract runs through next season. Wiggins has been playing well, Batum horribly. Wiggins has 4 years left, Batum 2. Wiggins still has youth and upside. As I see it, Batum is part of the deal only for salary-match purposes. The keys are getting draft assets and also possibly getting Graham, who would give us a legitimate young PG and 3-point shooter in one package. If Graham weren't included, I'm confident the Hornets would include their 2020 1st round pick if top 4 protected along with the Cavs 2nd round pick they own. They're in the hunt for a playoff birth in the East and swapping Batum for Wiggins would probably be enough to push the Hornets across the threshold while also giving them upside for the future.

By the say, if the Hornets wouldn't give us Graham, I'd insist on also getting the Hornets' 2022 first round pick (top 4 protected) along with their 2020 first round pick and the Cavs 2nd round pick - with Batum coming here for salary purposes.

Charlotte's not giving you 2 firsts for what is still a really bad contract. Wiggins has had to do a lot just to make it seem reasonable that they'd give you Batum and a 2nd for him. They're not gonna give you more than that since Devonte Graham is more of a driving force to their success than Wiggins could ever be.


We're stuck with Wiggins.

I wouldn't take what Wiggins is doing so lightly. Yes he is not a max player but Wiggins is 1 of 10 players in the NBA putting up his numbers or better of 23.6 pts, 5.2 rebs, 3.3 asts on 44%. Those players are.

Giannis, harden, luka, Kat, Irving, siakam, LBJ, Kawhi, Ingram and Wiggins.

I know in an early season podcast zach Lowe said he thinks the wolves could get PJ Washington, a bad contract (batum), one 1st for sure and possibly 2 1st for Wiggins (of course probably protection come with it).

Wiggins is not a max guy and still needs to improve to make the wolves better but he has significantly improved and is not a negative asset anymore.

Im still cool with the wolves looking to trade Wiggins but I want some legit value back because it's been a very solid season this year for Wiggins. Also his defensive rating is around league average.

Hmmm... haven't heard that from Lowe.
The Wolves should do that trade immediately then. Like NOW. RIGHT NOW.

A rookie lottery pick who's exceeded projections?
Two more 1st round picks?
And getting off an albatross contract two years early?

By the way, Wiggins has a career high 0.3 VORP right now. Rookie, PJ Washington, is also at 0.3 VORP. Both have 1.5 Win Shares.

[kekgeek]

OK, we've pretty much exhausted the Covington trade thread. The more I reflect, the more inclined I am to want to keep Covington - unless the Wolves get an offer they can't reasonably refuse. At the same time, I'm more convinced that the Wolves should trade Wiggins by the deadline while his value is at a higher level than it's been in quite some time. His numbers today against the Rockets were terrible. I also noticed that he's starting to take more long twos the last few games. I seem him regressing. And even at his best, he's not enough and clearly isn't worth his contract.

So let's explore some possible/realistic trades for Wiggins. Right now, I think Charlotte is the team most likely to deal for Wiggins. How about Wiggins and Treveon Graham for Batum, Charlotte's Graham, Charlotte's 2020 top 4 protected 1st and the Cavs' 2020 2nd round pick. I'd do the deal even if we didn't get Graham in return. We'd get immediate salary savings and also save two years of Wiggins' salary.

Well... that's an increase in value.

It was only a few months ago when I suggested a Wiggins for Batum trade straight up. Wiggins has shown signs... Batum has been abysmal. He's in full Mike Miller mode... sans any accuracy.

5.8 ppg
6.6 reb
4.7 apg
36.8%
... but that's PER 36. Terrible.

The question is whether Charlotte thinks they can get more from his large ($27M) expiring deal next year. In that case, I don't see Charlotte giving up a lottery pick in the deal.

Batum' s deal isn't expiring. His contract runs through next season. Wiggins has been playing well, Batum horribly. Wiggins has 4 years left, Batum 2. Wiggins still has youth and upside. As I see it, Batum is part of the deal only for salary-match purposes. The keys are getting draft assets and also possibly getting Graham, who would give us a legitimate young PG and 3-point shooter in one package. If Graham weren't included, I'm confident the Hornets would include their 2020 1st round pick if top 4 protected along with the Cavs 2nd round pick they own. They're in the hunt for a playoff birth in the East and swapping Batum for Wiggins would probably be enough to push the Hornets across the threshold while also giving them upside for the future.

By the say, if the Hornets wouldn't give us Graham, I'd insist on also getting the Hornets' 2022 first round pick (top 4 protected) along with their 2020 first round pick and the Cavs 2nd round pick - with Batum coming here for salary purposes.

Charlotte's not giving you 2 firsts for what is still a really bad contract. Wiggins has had to do a lot just to make it seem reasonable that they'd give you Batum and a 2nd for him. They're not gonna give you more than that since Devonte Graham is more of a driving force to their success than Wiggins could ever be.


We're stuck with Wiggins.

I wouldn't take what Wiggins is doing so lightly. Yes he is not a max player but Wiggins is 1 of 10 players in the NBA putting up his numbers or better of 23.6 pts, 5.2 rebs, 3.3 asts on 44%. Those players are.

Giannis, harden, luka, Kat, Irving, siakam, LBJ, Kawhi, Ingram and Wiggins.

I know in an early season podcast zach Lowe said he thinks the wolves could get PJ Washington, a bad contract (batum), one 1st for sure and possibly 2 1st for Wiggins (of course probably protection come with it).

Wiggins is not a max guy and still needs to improve to make the wolves better but he has significantly improved and is not a negative asset anymore.

Im still cool with the wolves looking to trade Wiggins but I want some legit value back because it's been a very solid season this year for Wiggins. Also his defensive rating is around league average.

Hmmm... haven't heard that from Lowe.
The Wolves should do that trade immediately then. Like NOW. RIGHT NOW.

A rookie lottery pick who's exceeded projections?
Two more 1st round picks?
And getting off an albatross contract two years early?

By the way, Wiggins has a career high 0.3 VORP right now. Rookie, PJ Washington, is also at 0.3 VORP. Both have 1.5 Win Shares.

It came from early in the season when Wiggins was going off. He says he wasn't reporting that their was an offer but said Rosas would have a tough decision at the time if an offer like that came along

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

Trade him. Trade him. Trade him.

Our fears from his early season good play have been realized. It was just a hot streak. On the season, he is all the way down to a 53 TS%. Of the 29 players averaging 20 PPG or more, Wiggins is 28th in efficiency - pretty much right back in the place he's always been - high volume/low efficiency scorer.

Yes, he's better than he was the past two seasons. But we already have a highly flawed building block in KAT and we know they aren't trading him. We can't have two max highly flawed guys.

[Lipoli390]

Trade him. Trade him. Trade him.

Our fears from his early season good play have been realized. It was just a hot streak. On the season, he is all the way down to a 53 TS%. Of the 29 players averaging 20 PPG or more, Wiggins is 28th in efficiency - pretty much right back in the place he's always been - high volume/low efficiency scorer.

Yes, he's better than he was the past two seasons. But we already have a highly flawed building block in KAT and we know they aren't trading him. We can't have two max highly flawed guys.

Well said, Q. Batum, the Hornet's 2020 first round pick (likely in the low teens) top 4 protected and the Cavs 2020 2nd round pick (likely in the 32-35 range) would be a good enough return. Ideally, we could also get the Hornet's 2022 first round pick as well. The deal would give us cap flexibility the summer of 2021 and more draft assets to use for picks or trades.

[thedoper]

A Batum trade is great if we're fully committed to a rebuild and moving on from KAT. Locking into Batum's salary means no free agent replacement and losing on court production and committing to nurturing more youth. Which is something this franchise has never been able to do. I think if we're going to trade Wiggins it has to be for expiring or a disgruntled star or another overpaid asset who is just a better fit.

[Hicks123 [enjin:6700838]]

A Batum trade is great if we're fully committed to a rebuild and moving on from KAT. Locking into Batum's salary means no free agent replacement and losing on court production and committing to nurturing more youth. Which is something this franchise has never been able to do. I think if we're going to trade Wiggins it has to be for expiring or a disgruntled star or another overpaid asset who is just a better fit.

I can't even imagine the anger on this board next season as Batum and his putrid contract rot on our bench. People like to think of these expiring deals as "opportunities" to trade them, but guys that make $27M per are nearly impossible to trade. It is just plain hard to make salaries work when both teams are almost always over the cap. Just doesn't work 99% of the time. If we deal for him, he is a sunk cost for next year, and certainly limits any ability to improve. The guy is hot garbage.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

A Batum trade is great if we're fully committed to a rebuild and moving on from KAT. Locking into Batum's salary means no free agent replacement and losing on court production and committing to nurturing more youth. Which is something this franchise has never been able to do. I think if we're going to trade Wiggins it has to be for expiring or a disgruntled star or another overpaid asset who is just a better fit.

I can't even imagine the anger on this board next season as Batum and his putrid contract rot on our bench. People like to think of these expiring deals as "opportunities" to trade them, but guys that make $27M per are nearly impossible to trade. It is just plain hard to make salaries work when both teams are almost always over the cap. Just doesn't work 99% of the time. If we deal for him, he is a sunk cost for next year, and certainly limits any ability to improve. The guy is hot garbage.

But the point is he'd rot on our bench for one season at the most. After that, he's off our books and now that max slot is free and clear. I'd argue Wiggins limits our ability to improve as well....which is kinda the whole point of making the deal. We get out from under that max salary two years ahead of schedule.

[thedoper]

A Batum trade is great if we're fully committed to a rebuild and moving on from KAT. Locking into Batum's salary means no free agent replacement and losing on court production and committing to nurturing more youth. Which is something this franchise has never been able to do. I think if we're going to trade Wiggins it has to be for expiring or a disgruntled star or another overpaid asset who is just a better fit.

I can't even imagine the anger on this board next season as Batum and his putrid contract rot on our bench. People like to think of these expiring deals as "opportunities" to trade them, but guys that make $27M per are nearly impossible to trade. It is just plain hard to make salaries work when both teams are almost always over the cap. Just doesn't work 99% of the time. If we deal for him, he is a sunk cost for next year, and certainly limits any ability to improve. The guy is hot garbage.

But the point is he'd rot on our bench for one season at the most. After that, he's off our books and now that max slot is free and clear. I'd argue Wiggins limits our ability to improve as well....which is kinda the whole point of making the deal. We get out from under that max salary two years ahead of schedule.

There will be 2 max slots free after we are forced to trade KAT too. Huge risk to stink for another year. If you're trading Wiggins only for cap relief you at least need to get it right away.

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

I don't see a point in trading Wiggins for younger players and picks. That's going in the wrong direction. The clock has started if you believe KAT is a cornerstone player. We don't have 3-4 years to wait for a pick to develop. KAT is gone in that scenario. If you trade Wiggins for picks you might as well blow the whole thing up. We have 2 20 PPG players. Get a primary ball handler/play maker and find role players around them.