Drunken Dribbler 22 wrote:So you all didn't want us to trade Covington?
It is all based on how Beasley plays. If Beasley is not good like he is playing this year. The wolves traded one of the best contracts in the NBA for a mid 1st in what is considered the worst draft since 01
So you would prefer no Beasley and 2 picks (3 total) in the worst draft in years?:)
I hope Beasley pans out.
But I was hoping for more of a sure thing... and one not facing a significant raise this summer.
[Note: Beasley was fun last season. Totally looked legit. But the other three seasons of his career have been bad.]
CoolBreeze44 wrote:Abe, I think it can only get worse. Rock bottom may still be coming.
Maybe. I'm not as "hell has been unleashed" about Russell as you are.
Heck, at this point, I'd opt for a few brief glimpses of hope in that sort of trade than the deck furniture overhaul we're getting tonight.
So far, this only puts the Wolves on a different treadmill in the same gym.
Yep at the moment it was we traded all the guys who were expiring (and KBD) for guys who are expiring.
So Cov and KBD for a mid 1st in a bad draft if Beasley is proven not good.
D-Mac wrote:So you all didn't want us to trade Covington?
Trading Covington is fine. Trading away half the roster who plays with him for a 1st round pick in the 20's and pretty much no other future value is not fine. One aspect overlooked is we just traded away a decent chunk of guys we literally just brought in this year to supplement this roster. Bell and Vonleh (signed as FA's) are gone and Shabazz and Graham (picked up via trade) are gone. If you are a fringe guy like any of those guys why would you ever sign in MN any more? The GM sent a message this year that he's gonna ship you out real quick if things don't click immediately and we didn't even try 2 big lineups that could have made Bell and Vonleh actual contributors on this team. So now in addition to the top guys never coming here, we just cutout the bottom guys as well so we are looking at overpays and G Leaguer's as our potential FA acquisitions in the near future. We look like the least stable organization in a league that has the New York Knicks who just fired/promoted their PBO to the basketball board of directors.
CoolBreeze44 wrote:Abe, I think it can only get worse. Rock bottom may still be coming.
Maybe. I'm not as "hell has been unleashed" about Russell as you are.
Heck, at this point, I'd opt for a few brief glimpses of hope in that sort of trade than the deck furniture overhaul we're getting tonight.
So far, this only puts the Wolves on a different treadmill in the same gym.
Yep at the moment it was we traded all the guys who were expiring (and KBD) for guys who are expiring.
So Cov and KBD for a mid 1st in a bad draft if Beasley is proven not good.
Also what 2nd did the rockets get
So basically a Rubio-esque trade. And that one gets ripped by some.
Actually, even though I liked Rubio I liked that one more. I think Teague was a lot closer to Ricky than Beasley is to Covington.
[Note: I know they weren't traded for one another. But essentially, it's what happened. And that's why I'm reserving some scorn here... because I think there are more things in play yet.]
CoolBreeze44 wrote:Abe, I think it can only get worse. Rock bottom may still be coming.
Maybe. I'm not as "hell has been unleashed" about Russell as you are.
Heck, at this point, I'd opt for a few brief glimpses of hope in that sort of trade than the deck furniture overhaul we're getting tonight.
So far, this only puts the Wolves on a different treadmill in the same gym.
It's not that Russell couldn't give us a shot in the arm or make us more competitive. But once he's here I believe it's game over as far as being a contender for at least 8 years. We would simply be stuck with a roster that can't win at a contending level. Unless of course we hit a homerun in the draft. And pardon me if I won't be holding my breath.
CoolBreeze44 wrote:Abe, I think it can only get worse. Rock bottom may still be coming.
Maybe. I'm not as "hell has been unleashed" about Russell as you are.
Heck, at this point, I'd opt for a few brief glimpses of hope in that sort of trade than the deck furniture overhaul we're getting tonight.
So far, this only puts the Wolves on a different treadmill in the same gym.
It's not that Russell couldn't give us a shot in the arm or make us more competitive. But once he's here I believe it's game over as far as being a contender for at least 8 years. We would simply be stuck with a roster that can't win at a contending level. Unless of course we hit a homerun in the draft. And pardon me if I won't be holding my breath.
I don't know what to say about that.
We're already in year 15... so... what's another 8 years!!!!
CoolBreeze44 wrote:Abe, I think it can only get worse. Rock bottom may still be coming.
Maybe. I'm not as "hell has been unleashed" about Russell as you are.
Heck, at this point, I'd opt for a few brief glimpses of hope in that sort of trade than the deck furniture overhaul we're getting tonight.
So far, this only puts the Wolves on a different treadmill in the same gym.
Yep at the moment it was we traded all the guys who were expiring (and KBD) for guys who are expiring.
So Cov and KBD for a mid 1st in a bad draft if Beasley is proven not good.
Also what 2nd did the rockets get
I get your point. I just think rfa is a better tool for a team like the Wolves than most teams. First because we're over the cap and 2nd because we're not a free agent destination
Here's a thought regarding DLO. If we trade for him he would be on his 4th team in 5 years. Now I'm no NBA genius but doesn't that tell a little bit of a story?
D-Mac wrote:So you all didn't want us to trade Covington?
Trading Covington is fine. Trading away half the roster who plays with him for a 1st round pick in the 20's and pretty much no other future value is not fine. One aspect overlooked is we just traded away a decent chunk of guys we literally just brought in this year to supplement this roster. Bell and Vonleh (signed as FA's) are gone and Shabazz and Graham (picked up via trade) are gone. If you are a fringe guy like any of those guys why would you ever sign in MN any more? The GM sent a message this year that he's gonna ship you out real quick if things don't click immediately and we didn't even try 2 big lineups that could have made Bell and Vonleh actual contributors on this team. So now in addition to the top guys never coming here, we just cutout the bottom guys as well so we are looking at overpays and G Leaguer's as our potential FA acquisitions in the near future. We look like the least stable organization in a league that has the New York Knicks who just fired/promoted their PBO to the basketball board of directors.
Seriously? You have a problem with the other guys we traded? Yeah, I'd hate getting traded to a playoff team if I was a fringe player...
CoolBreeze44 wrote:Here's a thought regarding DLO. If we trade for him he would be on his 4th team in 5 years. Now I'm no NBA genius but doesn't that tell a little bit of a story?
