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Also - at 1.24 in the video....for the love of Gawd - pull your pants up dude. Nobody wants to see that.

khans2k5 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

BizarroJerry wrote:

thedoper wrote:

Carlos Danger wrote:Dude got knocked the fugg out by Okafor:

http://www.csnphilly.com/blog/700-level/watch-tmz-posts-video-second-more-violent-okafor-fight?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo

After I saw the first video I didn't understand what the big deal was. Now I am a bit more concerned. He knocked someone out and left the scene of the crime. How the NBA and Philly is not investigating is beyond me. Very depressing, and he is a douchebag.

Left the scene of a crime? Really? It was a bar fight and he make a bad decision. Plus that other dude was asking for it.

Ummm... Unless the other dude threw a punch first... I don't know if I agree with that.

And a guy in Okafor's position (or member of his crew) has to keep him out of those situations. They'll learn.

Hopefully.

Okafor was at his car ready to leave and then went after this guy. He obviously said something to push Jahlil over the edge and when you do that you deserve to get KTFO. I don't believe in people being able to say what they want and not pay consequences and I believe athletes should be allowed to go after you like any normal person would if you talk enough shit. You can't tell what was said in the video, but that fight was clearly instigated with Jahlil about to leave so as far as I'm concerned the dude got what he deserved. You shouldn't have to wait for someone to punch you to punch back and Jahlil didn't sucker punch him either so it was a clean fight in my book.

Never understood people who fight over "words."

It's a completely foreign concept to me. And as a MILLIONAIRE... it's just a dumb mentality to have. It's going to cost you so much money in the long run.

If there are no consequences for your "words" then people could literally say anything and get away with it and that's not ok. "Don't let your mouth write a check your body can't cash" has been around since the 60's so it shouldn't be that foreign to you that people fight over words. There have to be consequences to your actions or this country would just be filled with instigating ass holes spewing bull shit out of their mouths 24/7 because they could knowing nothing would be done to them. I don't want to live in that world.

Of course, I'm aware of the adage. But the notion that you escalate the situation from words to fists? Nah. That's where the disconnect comes for me. Personally.

It's not what I'll be teaching my kids. But to each his own.


[Note: By the way, people can say whatever they want. That's the beauty of living in the U.S. And there are A LOT of really dumb or mean-spirited or confused or misguided people doing the talking a lot of the time. But talking = fighting? Again... meh.]

I originally thought it was just a drunk altercation which is why I didn't think it was a big deal. But like I said, this video makes Okafor look like an instigator, a douche, and criminally liable.

khans2k5 wrote:
If there are no consequences for your "words" then people could literally say anything and get away with it and that's not ok. "Don't let your mouth write a check your body can't cash" has been around since the 60's so it shouldn't be that foreign to you that people fight over words. There have to be consequences to your actions or this country would just be filled with instigating ass holes spewing bull shit out of their mouths 24/7 because they could knowing nothing would be done to them. I don't want to live in that world.

How about on message boards like this one? Have you ever read someone's reply to a post and say to yourself "that SOB wouldn't talk like that if we were in the same room"? :-) The reality is as we get older we should (in theory) become better equipped to deal with jackholes. Fighting when you are a kid is one thing. But once you become an adult it becomes "assault". You just can't go around punching people. The "consequences" are you go to jail and become less attractive to future employers due to your violent crime history.

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

BizarroJerry wrote:

thedoper wrote:

Carlos Danger wrote:Dude got knocked the fugg out by Okafor:

http://www.csnphilly.com/blog/700-level/watch-tmz-posts-video-second-more-violent-okafor-fight?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo

After I saw the first video I didn't understand what the big deal was. Now I am a bit more concerned. He knocked someone out and left the scene of the crime. How the NBA and Philly is not investigating is beyond me. Very depressing, and he is a douchebag.

Left the scene of a crime? Really? It was a bar fight and he make a bad decision. Plus that other dude was asking for it.

Ummm... Unless the other dude threw a punch first... I don't know if I agree with that.

And a guy in Okafor's position (or member of his crew) has to keep him out of those situations. They'll learn.

Hopefully.

Okafor was at his car ready to leave and then went after this guy. He obviously said something to push Jahlil over the edge and when you do that you deserve to get KTFO. I don't believe in people being able to say what they want and not pay consequences and I believe athletes should be allowed to go after you like any normal person would if you talk enough shit. You can't tell what was said in the video, but that fight was clearly instigated with Jahlil about to leave so as far as I'm concerned the dude got what he deserved. You shouldn't have to wait for someone to punch you to punch back and Jahlil didn't sucker punch him either so it was a clean fight in my book.

Never understood people who fight over "words."

It's a completely foreign concept to me. And as a MILLIONAIRE... it's just a dumb mentality to have. It's going to cost you so much money in the long run.

If there are no consequences for your "words" then people could literally say anything and get away with it and that's not ok. "Don't let your mouth write a check your body can't cash" has been around since the 60's so it shouldn't be that foreign to you that people fight over words. There have to be consequences to your actions or this country would just be filled with instigating ass holes spewing bull shit out of their mouths 24/7 because they could knowing nothing would be done to them. I don't want to live in that world.

Of course, I'm aware of the adage. But the notion that you escalate the situation from words to fists? Nah. That's where the disconnect comes for me. Personally.

It's not what I'll be teaching my kids. But to each his own.


[Note: By the way, people can say whatever they want. That's the beauty of living in the U.S. And there are A LOT of really dumb or mean-spirited or confused or misguided people doing the talking a lot of the time. But talking = fighting? Again... meh.]

I'm fine with people saying whatever they want as long as they are prepared for the consequences. It's the lack of consequences that allow dumb or mean-spirited or confused or misguided people to continue to be that way (especially on Twitter) and it's a huge problem in today's society. It's why death threats are still a thing on social media. Free speech is great, just be prepared to face consequences if you cross a line.

khans2k5 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

BizarroJerry wrote:

thedoper wrote:

Carlos Danger wrote:Dude got knocked the fugg out by Okafor:

http://www.csnphilly.com/blog/700-level/watch-tmz-posts-video-second-more-violent-okafor-fight?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo

After I saw the first video I didn't understand what the big deal was. Now I am a bit more concerned. He knocked someone out and left the scene of the crime. How the NBA and Philly is not investigating is beyond me. Very depressing, and he is a douchebag.

Left the scene of a crime? Really? It was a bar fight and he make a bad decision. Plus that other dude was asking for it.

Ummm... Unless the other dude threw a punch first... I don't know if I agree with that.

And a guy in Okafor's position (or member of his crew) has to keep him out of those situations. They'll learn.

Hopefully.

Okafor was at his car ready to leave and then went after this guy. He obviously said something to push Jahlil over the edge and when you do that you deserve to get KTFO. I don't believe in people being able to say what they want and not pay consequences and I believe athletes should be allowed to go after you like any normal person would if you talk enough shit. You can't tell what was said in the video, but that fight was clearly instigated with Jahlil about to leave so as far as I'm concerned the dude got what he deserved. You shouldn't have to wait for someone to punch you to punch back and Jahlil didn't sucker punch him either so it was a clean fight in my book.

Never understood people who fight over "words."

It's a completely foreign concept to me. And as a MILLIONAIRE... it's just a dumb mentality to have. It's going to cost you so much money in the long run.

If there are no consequences for your "words" then people could literally say anything and get away with it and that's not ok. "Don't let your mouth write a check your body can't cash" has been around since the 60's so it shouldn't be that foreign to you that people fight over words. There have to be consequences to your actions or this country would just be filled with instigating ass holes spewing bull shit out of their mouths 24/7 because they could knowing nothing would be done to them. I don't want to live in that world.

Of course, I'm aware of the adage. But the notion that you escalate the situation from words to fists? Nah. That's where the disconnect comes for me. Personally.

It's not what I'll be teaching my kids. But to each his own.


[Note: By the way, people can say whatever they want. That's the beauty of living in the U.S. And there are A LOT of really dumb or mean-spirited or confused or misguided people doing the talking a lot of the time. But talking = fighting? Again... meh.]

I'm fine with people saying whatever they want as long as they are prepared for the consequences. It's the lack of consequences that allow dumb or mean-spirited or confused or misguided people to continue to be that way (especially on Twitter) and it's a huge problem in today's society. It's why death threats are still a thing on social media. Free speech is great, just be prepared to face consequences if you cross a line.

Personally, I think violence is a bigger issue than trolling.

And, speaking of consequences... as noted above... Okafor has to be prepared to face the consequences of escalating words into violence. And if you ever attack somebody for simply talking to you... you might have to do the same.

I like how at the end of the video, the dude recording takes a close up of the guy who got knocked out and just says "Jahlil Okafor...". It reminded me of that Seinfeld episode with Raquel Welch (Todd Gak will appreciate the reference). "What happened to you? Raquel Welch!"

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

BizarroJerry wrote:

thedoper wrote:

Carlos Danger wrote:Dude got knocked the fugg out by Okafor:

http://www.csnphilly.com/blog/700-level/watch-tmz-posts-video-second-more-violent-okafor-fight?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo

After I saw the first video I didn't understand what the big deal was. Now I am a bit more concerned. He knocked someone out and left the scene of the crime. How the NBA and Philly is not investigating is beyond me. Very depressing, and he is a douchebag.

Left the scene of a crime? Really? It was a bar fight and he make a bad decision. Plus that other dude was asking for it.

Ummm... Unless the other dude threw a punch first... I don't know if I agree with that.

And a guy in Okafor's position (or member of his crew) has to keep him out of those situations. They'll learn.

Hopefully.

Okafor was at his car ready to leave and then went after this guy. He obviously said something to push Jahlil over the edge and when you do that you deserve to get KTFO. I don't believe in people being able to say what they want and not pay consequences and I believe athletes should be allowed to go after you like any normal person would if you talk enough shit. You can't tell what was said in the video, but that fight was clearly instigated with Jahlil about to leave so as far as I'm concerned the dude got what he deserved. You shouldn't have to wait for someone to punch you to punch back and Jahlil didn't sucker punch him either so it was a clean fight in my book.

Never understood people who fight over "words."

It's a completely foreign concept to me. And as a MILLIONAIRE... it's just a dumb mentality to have. It's going to cost you so much money in the long run.

If there are no consequences for your "words" then people could literally say anything and get away with it and that's not ok. "Don't let your mouth write a check your body can't cash" has been around since the 60's so it shouldn't be that foreign to you that people fight over words. There have to be consequences to your actions or this country would just be filled with instigating ass holes spewing bull shit out of their mouths 24/7 because they could knowing nothing would be done to them. I don't want to live in that world.

Of course, I'm aware of the adage. But the notion that you escalate the situation from words to fists? Nah. That's where the disconnect comes for me. Personally.

It's not what I'll be teaching my kids. But to each his own.


[Note: By the way, people can say whatever they want. That's the beauty of living in the U.S. And there are A LOT of really dumb or mean-spirited or confused or misguided people doing the talking a lot of the time. But talking = fighting? Again... meh.]

I'm fine with people saying whatever they want as long as they are prepared for the consequences. It's the lack of consequences that allow dumb or mean-spirited or confused or misguided people to continue to be that way (especially on Twitter) and it's a huge problem in today's society. It's why death threats are still a thing on social media. Free speech is great, just be prepared to face consequences if you cross a line.

Personally, I think violence is a bigger issue than trolling.

And, speaking of consequences... as noted above... Okafor has to be prepared to face the consequences of escalating words into violence. And if you ever attack somebody for simply talking to you... you might have to do the same.

I would expect there to be consequences to my actions of punching a dude in the face if I ever did that. That's what I have to consider as a consequence before doing it just as they have to consider a consequence of talking shit is getting knocked out. When everyone respects the consequences we don't have this problem and the fight never has to take place, but if there is no consequence to the instigating action then there's no reason for it to ever stop. For this Okafor incident I would hope they treat it for what it was which was a bar fight where both parties are at fault and you just call it a day. Assault charges are warranted when one party is at fault for something like this like if Okafor just sucker punched the guy for no reason, but if both parties are going at it and one just happens to win the fight, that shouldn't mean that one is the only one who gets charged and has to deal with the consequences. Okafor didn't knock him out right away. They wrestled to a store front first before the guy got knocked out so both parties participated in the fight and you either have to charge both or neither.

khans2k5 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

BizarroJerry wrote:

thedoper wrote:

Carlos Danger wrote:Dude got knocked the fugg out by Okafor:

http://www.csnphilly.com/blog/700-level/watch-tmz-posts-video-second-more-violent-okafor-fight?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo

After I saw the first video I didn't understand what the big deal was. Now I am a bit more concerned. He knocked someone out and left the scene of the crime. How the NBA and Philly is not investigating is beyond me. Very depressing, and he is a douchebag.

Left the scene of a crime? Really? It was a bar fight and he make a bad decision. Plus that other dude was asking for it.

Ummm... Unless the other dude threw a punch first... I don't know if I agree with that.

And a guy in Okafor's position (or member of his crew) has to keep him out of those situations. They'll learn.

Hopefully.

Okafor was at his car ready to leave and then went after this guy. He obviously said something to push Jahlil over the edge and when you do that you deserve to get KTFO. I don't believe in people being able to say what they want and not pay consequences and I believe athletes should be allowed to go after you like any normal person would if you talk enough shit. You can't tell what was said in the video, but that fight was clearly instigated with Jahlil about to leave so as far as I'm concerned the dude got what he deserved. You shouldn't have to wait for someone to punch you to punch back and Jahlil didn't sucker punch him either so it was a clean fight in my book.

Never understood people who fight over "words."

It's a completely foreign concept to me. And as a MILLIONAIRE... it's just a dumb mentality to have. It's going to cost you so much money in the long run.

If there are no consequences for your "words" then people could literally say anything and get away with it and that's not ok. "Don't let your mouth write a check your body can't cash" has been around since the 60's so it shouldn't be that foreign to you that people fight over words. There have to be consequences to your actions or this country would just be filled with instigating ass holes spewing bull shit out of their mouths 24/7 because they could knowing nothing would be done to them. I don't want to live in that world.

Of course, I'm aware of the adage. But the notion that you escalate the situation from words to fists? Nah. That's where the disconnect comes for me. Personally.

It's not what I'll be teaching my kids. But to each his own.


[Note: By the way, people can say whatever they want. That's the beauty of living in the U.S. And there are A LOT of really dumb or mean-spirited or confused or misguided people doing the talking a lot of the time. But talking = fighting? Again... meh.]

I'm fine with people saying whatever they want as long as they are prepared for the consequences. It's the lack of consequences that allow dumb or mean-spirited or confused or misguided people to continue to be that way (especially on Twitter) and it's a huge problem in today's society. It's why death threats are still a thing on social media. Free speech is great, just be prepared to face consequences if you cross a line.

Personally, I think violence is a bigger issue than trolling.

And, speaking of consequences... as noted above... Okafor has to be prepared to face the consequences of escalating words into violence. And if you ever attack somebody for simply talking to you... you might have to do the same.

I would expect there to be consequences to my actions of punching a dude in the face if I ever did that. That's what I have to consider as a consequence before doing it just as they have to consider a consequence of talking shit is getting knocked out. When everyone respects the consequences we don't have this problem and the fight never has to take place, but if there is no consequence to the instigating action then there's no reason for it to ever stop. For this Okafor incident I would hope they treat it for what it was which was a bar fight where both parties are at fault and you just call it a day. Assault charges are warranted when one party is at fault for something like this like if Okafor just sucker punched the guy for no reason, but if both parties are going at it and one just happens to win the fight, that shouldn't mean that one is the only one who gets charged and has to deal with the consequences. Okafor didn't knock him out right away. They wrestled to a store front first before the guy got knocked out so both parties participated in the fight and you either have to charge both or neither.

I don't know how to respond to this post.

Let's just say that we disagree.

khans2k5 wrote:
I would expect there to be consequences to my actions of punching a dude in the face if I ever did that. That's what I have to consider as a consequence before doing it just as they have to consider a consequence of talking shit is getting knocked out. When everyone respects the consequences we don't have this problem and the fight never has to take place, but if there is no consequence to the instigating action then there's no reason for it to ever stop. For this Okafor incident I would hope they treat it for what it was which was a bar fight where both parties are at fault and you just call it a day. Assault charges are warranted when one party is at fault for something like this like if Okafor just sucker punched the guy for no reason, but if both parties are going at it and one just happens to win the fight, that shouldn't mean that one is the only one who gets charged and has to deal with the consequences. Okafor didn't knock him out right away. They wrestled to a store front first before the guy got knocked out so both parties participated in the fight and you either have to charge both or neither.

What are the consequences when you try to punch a guy in the face and you get knocked out instead? Okafor is lucky. I'm sure plenty of us have been in after bar fights during our younger years. It becomes a sucker punch fest. Dudes have no problem jacking a guy when he's not looking. Those that live in MN are probably familiar with the bar fight in Mankato with Philip Nelson. Sucker punch almost killed a guy and I don't think he'll ever be the same. Like I wrote earlier...fighting as a kid - no big deal. You just get a bloody nose and a ripped shirt. But as adults? You can seriously hurt or even kill people with just a punch. Real fights are no joke. It doesn't make sense to put yourself in that situation IMO.