Page 2 of 23

Re: The Case for Okafor

Posted: Wed May 20, 2015 10:43 pm
by Camden [enjin:6601484]
These are all reasons why I won't be distraught if/when we end up with Okafor. I can rally myself behind an efficient 20/8 a night who's tremendous 1v1. I like that he demands the ball and knows he's a handful to defend. I like that he's creative in the low post as he does things that I've only seen the all-time greats do (Hakeem, McHale, O'Neal).

It's just that there ARE negatives to Okafor's game that scream "uh-oh".

Firstly, he's a 51% free throw shooter with baseball glove-sized hands. That's likely to never be a strength of his, though, I admit one can improve in that area with a bunch of practice. I see 60% for Okafor where he probably tops out at. Even at 60%, that's leaving a bunch of points off the board when you figure how often he will probably draw fouls... or worse yet, he could attract some Hack-a-Jah strategy against him.

Secondly, he's baaad on defense. Sure, the guy has some tools to be a good defender, but if you've never been good at defense, your road to getting there is unlikely. Perhaps he could be the medium between good and pathetic to where his offensive production is enough to offset that weakness of his game. This is a center with a 3.8 BLK% throughout his one year of NCAA competition. That is inexcusable and downright pathetic for a guy with Jahlil's physical makeup. We're probably the worst team in the NBA at defending shots at the rim and Okafor doesn't help solve this, yet that's mainly his position's responsibility. That's without taking into account Okafor's poor awareness in general on that end. For a guy that knows everything that's going on on offense, it's the exact opposite on defense. Jahlil is a chicken walking around with his head cut off, so to speak. This is true for his P&R defense too as he's often played himself out of position to recover or gets routinely beat by the ball-handler. This was at the college game. The NBA's a P&R melting pot with even better athletes and more-skilled players at every position. That is going to be quite the uphill battle for Okafor to contend with.

Thirdly, his game isn't nearly as well-rounded as say, another highly-touted big. Towns has the edge over Okafor in rebounding, blocked shots, assists and this is while being almost as efficient on offense (Jahlil sports a .635 TS% compared to Towns' equally impressive .627 TS%). The retort may be that Okafor proved his dominance on offense for 30 minutes a night for a whole season, and I cannot refute that, but Towns wasn't given the opportunity to be showcased on offense like Okafor or else he too would have been an impressive scorer by the numbers.

So, it boils down to what you want your center to do. Do you want the dominant low post scorer who's liable to win his position matchup big every night? Or do you want the do-it-all, two-way big who can more than hold his own offensively, while providing a defensive presence and more versatility for your team?

You all know I take Towns No. 1 overall. I wouldn't be crushed if Flip decided to take Okafor instead. He's a hell of a player in his own right. I do think it was worth writing up a counter-argument for Okafor, though.

Re: The Case for Okafor

Posted: Wed May 20, 2015 10:44 pm
by Coolbreeze44
longstrangetrip wrote:I didn't see any ground rules in this thread prohibiting rebuttals, so let me offer up my concerns.

I actually am not as concerned about Okafor's defense as others. He's big, strong and long, and has the potential to be a longer version of Pek. Not a rim protector, but at least adequate on defense.

I'm more concerned about his free throws and performance in big games. Most of us here are not fans of the Hack-a-Whomever strategy, and I think we will grow to detest it more when it becomes a strategy to be used against us. 51% for the year, and no better than that in the tournament. I'm already dreading seeing Jahlil at the line in the 4th quarter of close games.

While I loved Jahlil's ability to score so efficiently early in the season against teams like Furman, Fairfield and Elan, I thought he was only ordinary against the higher seeds in the NCAA tournament. In the last four games of the tournament, playing against defenses that more resemble what he will see next year, he only averaged 11 and 6 in over 28 minutes a game...not good enough for a guy who is about to be picked first.

I'll likely jump on the bandwagon when Flip picks Okafor, but right now I have him third on my board.

Couple things LST:

1) How come you get to have a board?
2) You worry about Okafors performance in big games (his team won a National championship), but you have no problem with K-Mart and his disappearing act at crunch time.

Re: The Case for Okafor

Posted: Wed May 20, 2015 10:46 pm
by Coolbreeze44
mrhockey89 wrote:
PorkChop wrote:
mrhockey89 wrote:Good post Q, and I think you could add that Jahlil is likely to add a mid-range game in the next 2-3 seasons as well which should make his game even more reminiscent of Duncan's offensively, which would also potentially make him a very good pick-n-pop player in time.

The real question with him is WILL HE ever develop a defensive game, or will he be a more fundamentally sound, less athletic version of Amare (with more strength of course)?

My thing is we wonder if he'll develop the the things u mention but we already know he can score and rebound.. We see the potential Towns has but we're not sure he has a completely developed skill at anything yet.


I'd argue that Towns has several developed skills, such as pick n roll defense and his shooting ability.

But Okafor's efficiency is really good on the low post, so you definitely could do worse.

This is why I think it's a win-win-win draft with the #1 pick. I agree that Towns is a bigger gamble than Okafor, but also carries a bigger overall upside projection.

I can't remember who I was reading, but the point being made was that Towns was the safer pick, but okafor had the superstar potential. We know Flip likes to swing for the fence, if you believe the writer in question the pick is probably Jahlil.

Re: The Case for Okafor

Posted: Wed May 20, 2015 10:53 pm
by The Rage Monster [enjin:8010341]
Great work. Point 1 is the main reason I'm leaning Okafor, his low post skill are elite and that's really the only elite aspect I see in any of the top few guys. Towns looks good overall and in theory he'd be perfect for this team but he's currently not elite on either end of the court. Maybe Towns will develop but everything with him is purely projection at this point. Unfortunately the only top pick in recent memory who didn't demonstrate some elite ability was Anthony Bennett.

Re: The Case for Okafor

Posted: Wed May 20, 2015 10:53 pm
by longstrangetrip [enjin:6600564]
CoolBreeze44 wrote:
longstrangetrip wrote:I didn't see any ground rules in this thread prohibiting rebuttals, so let me offer up my concerns.

I actually am not as concerned about Okafor's defense as others. He's big, strong and long, and has the potential to be a longer version of Pek. Not a rim protector, but at least adequate on defense.

I'm more concerned about his free throws and performance in big games. Most of us here are not fans of the Hack-a-Whomever strategy, and I think we will grow to detest it more when it becomes a strategy to be used against us. 51% for the year, and no better than that in the tournament. I'm already dreading seeing Jahlil at the line in the 4th quarter of close games.

While I loved Jahlil's ability to score so efficiently early in the season against teams like Furman, Fairfield and Elan, I thought he was only ordinary against the higher seeds in the NCAA tournament. In the last four games of the tournament, playing against defenses that more resemble what he will see next year, he only averaged 11 and 6 in over 28 minutes a game...not good enough for a guy who is about to be picked first.

I'll likely jump on the bandwagon when Flip picks Okafor, but right now I have him third on my board.

Couple things LST:

1) How come you get to have a board?
2) You worry about Okafors performance in big games (his team won a National championship), but you have no problem with K-Mart and his disappearing act at crunch time.


Ha, I thought all of us experts deserved our own boards! Mine goes Towns, Russell, Okafor, but admittedly there's not an enormous amount of separation.

Actually, I have been critical of Martin's crunch time disappearing act in the past. I thought 2013-4 was especially appalling. But I did point out several instances last season where I saw a different Martin in the 4th quarter...he actually looked like he wanted the ball, and he made a few clutch shots. But ultimately I don't want him to be our go-to guy in the final seconds. I'm a fan of paying Martin $7 million a year to fill a specific offensive role, but we're not going anywhere if he is our best option at the end of games.

Re: The Case for Okafor

Posted: Wed May 20, 2015 10:56 pm
by Porckchop
mrhockey89 wrote:
PorkChop wrote:
mrhockey89 wrote:Good post Q, and I think you could add that Jahlil is likely to add a mid-range game in the next 2-3 seasons as well which should make his game even more reminiscent of Duncan's offensively, which would also potentially make him a very good pick-n-pop player in time.

The real question with him is WILL HE ever develop a defensive game, or will he be a more fundamentally sound, less athletic version of Amare (with more strength of course)?

My thing is we wonder if he'll develop the the things u mention but we already know he can score and rebound.. We see the potential Towns has but we're not sure he has a completely developed skill at anything yet.


I'd argue that Towns has several developed skills, such as pick n roll defense and his shooting ability.

But Okafor's efficiency is really good on the low post, so you definitely could do worse.

This is why I think it's a win-win-win draft with the #1 pick. I agree that Towns is a bigger gamble than Okafor, but also carries a bigger overall upside projection.


Well Wiggins showed us that surest thing is the best bet. I wouldn't f with that going forward. If the surest thing is an offensive player so be it . This team is another year away, maybe we fund that sure fire defensive player next year. In the mean time get what u know is a for sure thing. It's not like this team was an offensive juggernaut either .

Re: The Case for Okafor

Posted: Wed May 20, 2015 11:21 pm
by thedoper
That is a very balanced and thoughtful perspective on Okafor. He's far and away my number #1 and I have already drank the kg mentorship potion.

Re: The Case for Okafor

Posted: Wed May 20, 2015 11:24 pm
by Camden [enjin:6601484]
Far and away huh?... Alrighty then.

Re: The Case for Okafor

Posted: Wed May 20, 2015 11:28 pm
by mrhockey89
The Rage Monster wrote:Great work. Point 1 is the main reason I'm leaning Okafor, his low post skill are elite and that's really the only elite aspect I see in any of the top few guys. Towns looks good overall and in theory he'd be perfect for this team but he's currently not elite on either end of the court. Maybe Towns will develop but everything with him is purely projection at this point. Unfortunately the only top pick in recent memory who didn't demonstrate some elite ability was Anthony Bennett.


Watch a highlight video of Towns on youtube and tell me that's not an elite tool box he's working with. Towns has an advanced handle and can score in a variety of ways. The fact that he's also one of the top defenders in the nation didn't hurt either.

I really think we're in a no lose situation at #1 (unless we get cute)

Re: The Case for Okafor

Posted: Wed May 20, 2015 11:30 pm
by mrhockey89
Pork, I think both of these guys are about as close to sure things as you'll get on center prospects