khans2k5 wrote:His only chance here was a plague of injuries to open up playing time for him. Why do you guys care so much about such inconsequential pieces making the minimum? Has any of them ever made a lasting impact on our team in the last decade where they all had ample opportunity to earn rotation time on shitty teams? We need to get the guys who will actually play sorted first before we start worrying about the guys who spend more time in suits than jerseys.
The reason I care is he was one of the few players that had high 3pt potential.
His contract with Teague and KBD makes the money we need to sign and trade for Russell.
Now that contract is not here anymore to make the trade
One of the most valuable players currently on the roster is Robert Covington. Was Fred Van Vliet inconsequential? Delly? Quinn Cook? Most guys like Cam Reynolds don't make it but saying we shouldn't worry about guys like him making the minimum seems like too broad of a brush to me. This is a new group and we have a developmental league going on it's 3rd year we should expect to find a worthwhile undrafted/2nd round guy someone else cut loose. That matters.
What did all of those guys have in common? Opportunity. Where is his opportunity behind Culver, Okogie, Wiggins, Covington and even KBD? Those types of guys have a place in this league, but they needed the opportunity to get to where they are today and we don't have that opportunity outside of catastrophic injuries. Get the guys who will actually play first and then fill out the roster with the Cam Reynold's of the world after. The good ones find a way into the rotation when they are good enough.
How's Robbie Hummel doing? Jeff Adrien? Lorenzo Brown?
khans2k5 wrote:His only chance here was a plague of injuries to open up playing time for him. Why do you guys care so much about such inconsequential pieces making the minimum? Has any of them ever made a lasting impact on our team in the last decade where they all had ample opportunity to earn rotation time on shitty teams? We need to get the guys who will actually play sorted first before we start worrying about the guys who spend more time in suits than jerseys.
The reason I care is he was one of the few players that had high 3pt potential.
His contract with Teague and KBD makes the money we need to sign and trade for Russell.
Now that contract is not here anymore to make the trade
Yes, it's hard to understand this move for the reasons you gave. A non-guaranteed contract has significant trade value. And the Wolves could have let him go anytime without any residual cap impact so there's not point in letting him go before you find someone better. So the only explanation is that this was the first in a series of planned moves to clear space for a free agent offer. There is no other logical explanation. If I'm right, then other cap-clearing deals much already in place but awaiting some final procedural step before they're announced. Stay tuned.
First [minor] domino to fall in Rosas off-season plan. I liked what Cam Reynolds brought last year in a minimal sample size. He also has a great name. This is nothing to worry too much about. Could also be brought back at a later time, which might happen, but if it doesn't, Minnesota will be okay.
khans2k5 wrote:His only chance here was a plague of injuries to open up playing time for him. Why do you guys care so much about such inconsequential pieces making the minimum? Has any of them ever made a lasting impact on our team in the last decade where they all had ample opportunity to earn rotation time on shitty teams? We need to get the guys who will actually play sorted first before we start worrying about the guys who spend more time in suits than jerseys.
The reason I care is he was one of the few players that had high 3pt potential.
His contract with Teague and KBD makes the money we need to sign and trade for Russell.
Now that contract is not here anymore to make the trade
One of the most valuable players currently on the roster is Robert Covington. Was Fred Van Vliet inconsequential? Delly? Quinn Cook? Most guys like Cam Reynolds don't make it but saying we shouldn't worry about guys like him making the minimum seems like too broad of a brush to me. This is a new group and we have a developmental league going on it's 3rd year we should expect to find a worthwhile undrafted/2nd round guy someone else cut loose. That matters.
What did all of those guys have in common? Opportunity. Where is his opportunity behind Culver, Okogie, Wiggins, Covington and even KBD? Those types of guys have a place in this league, but they needed the opportunity to get to where they are today and we don't have that opportunity outside of catastrophic injuries. Get the guys who will actually play first and then fill out the roster with the Cam Reynold's of the world after. The good ones find a way into the rotation when they are good enough.
How's Robbie Hummel doing? Jeff Adrien? Lorenzo Brown?
Not all those guys had opportunity right away. I don't see why we can't develop players while also having some guys that can play. Other teams do it why can't we? It's the same question that Wolves fans have been asking for what like 20 years?
khans2k5 wrote:His only chance here was a plague of injuries to open up playing time for him. Why do you guys care so much about such inconsequential pieces making the minimum? Has any of them ever made a lasting impact on our team in the last decade where they all had ample opportunity to earn rotation time on shitty teams? We need to get the guys who will actually play sorted first before we start worrying about the guys who spend more time in suits than jerseys.
The reason I care is he was one of the few players that had high 3pt potential.
His contract with Teague and KBD makes the money we need to sign and trade for Russell.
Now that contract is not here anymore to make the trade
One of the most valuable players currently on the roster is Robert Covington. Was Fred Van Vliet inconsequential? Delly? Quinn Cook? Most guys like Cam Reynolds don't make it but saying we shouldn't worry about guys like him making the minimum seems like too broad of a brush to me. This is a new group and we have a developmental league going on it's 3rd year we should expect to find a worthwhile undrafted/2nd round guy someone else cut loose. That matters.
What did all of those guys have in common? Opportunity. Where is his opportunity behind Culver, Okogie, Wiggins, Covington and even KBD? Those types of guys have a place in this league, but they needed the opportunity to get to where they are today and we don't have that opportunity outside of catastrophic injuries. Get the guys who will actually play first and then fill out the roster with the Cam Reynold's of the world after. The good ones find a way into the rotation when they are good enough.
How's Robbie Hummel doing? Jeff Adrien? Lorenzo Brown?
Not all those guys had opportunity right away. I don't see why we can't develop players while also having some guys that can play. Other teams do it why can't we? It's the same question that Wolves fans have been asking for what like 20 years? I don't see why we can't develop players while also having some guys that can play. Other teams do it why can't we? It's the same question that Wolves fans have been asking for what like 20 years?
Couldn't agree more Monster. The idea that a team MUST have line of sight to immediate playing time for a younger player to keep developing is a myth. This reminds me of Khansy's silly cannard years ago that Anthony Bennett needed at least 18 MPG in order to develop. Anything below that amount of time simply meant he couldn't develop. Period.
Also, we've seen how time again the inevitable pile up of injuries eventually does give these guys a chance to play. Cam Reynolds was our best 3-point shooter. It seems only fitting that a team that has chronically had the inability to take and make 3's would waive its best 3-point shooter.
SIAP - .but some in the league believe Rosas may have a path to dealing Wiggins. This could be a minor part of that plan to make a major move. The general feeling is that the Wolves are up to something big.
khans2k5 wrote:His only chance here was a plague of injuries to open up playing time for him. Why do you guys care so much about such inconsequential pieces making the minimum? Has any of them ever made a lasting impact on our team in the last decade where they all had ample opportunity to earn rotation time on shitty teams? We need to get the guys who will actually play sorted first before we start worrying about the guys who spend more time in suits than jerseys.
The reason I care is he was one of the few players that had high 3pt potential.
His contract with Teague and KBD makes the money we need to sign and trade for Russell.
Now that contract is not here anymore to make the trade
One of the most valuable players currently on the roster is Robert Covington. Was Fred Van Vliet inconsequential? Delly? Quinn Cook? Most guys like Cam Reynolds don't make it but saying we shouldn't worry about guys like him making the minimum seems like too broad of a brush to me. This is a new group and we have a developmental league going on it's 3rd year we should expect to find a worthwhile undrafted/2nd round guy someone else cut loose. That matters.
What did all of those guys have in common? Opportunity. Where is his opportunity behind Culver, Okogie, Wiggins, Covington and even KBD? Those types of guys have a place in this league, but they needed the opportunity to get to where they are today and we don't have that opportunity outside of catastrophic injuries. Get the guys who will actually play first and then fill out the roster with the Cam Reynold's of the world after. The good ones find a way into the rotation when they are good enough.
How's Robbie Hummel doing? Jeff Adrien? Lorenzo Brown?
Not all those guys had opportunity right away. I don't see why we can't develop players while also having some guys that can play. Other teams do it why can't we? It's the same question that Wolves fans have been asking for what like 20 years?
I agree completely, Monster. It's been one of the fundamental problems with the Wolves organization. I'm still waiting for some sure signs that this new front office will be different. So far, I remain unconvinced.
CoolBreeze44 wrote:SIAP - .but some in the league believe Rosas may have a path to dealing Wiggins. This could be a minor part of that plan to make a major move. The general feeling is that the Wolves are up to something big.
Yep, there's a lot of chatter about a possible Wiggins deal. I'm starting to get a sense that might be traded. But I can't see how releasing Cam could play any role in a Wiggins deal or any other major move for that matter. There might be something I'm missing. If anything, Cam's non-guaranteed contract is an attractive trade chip. I'll continue to give Rosas the benefit of the doubt. But I'd love to here him explain this move. It could just be a friendly gesture to Cam aimed at pleasing his agent, who may represent other more prominent NBA players. NBA agents have a lot of power in the League. Otherwise, perhaps it's the first in a series of already planned cap-clearing moves to clear the way for an offer to Russell. But the next moves would have to already be set in stone for this to make sense because otherwise the Wolves could have waited and released Cam at any time while still retaining him as a potential trade asset or as a young non-guaranteed roster player who can shoot threes.
Wolfson FWIW: Told the #Twolves would have interest in re-signing Reynolds if they strike out in free agency. This move, which I still can't fully figure out, was about what Rosas is trying to accomplish, not Reynolds having a guarantee elsewhere.
