sjm34 wrote:I don't see where Gorgi is worth even close to double digits. While I realize the cap is going up drastically, the salaries at the top will be affected the most (as is the case in the NBA). Currently the highest salaries that I have observed for backup C's are with guys like Kosta Koufus, and Tiago Splitter, who are both borderline starters. They are both still under the 10 mil mark. I know salaries will take a jump in the next several seasons, but I still see Gorgi's value more in line with guys like Ajinca and Lavoy Allen, who both are under 5 mil. We have to remember that he is a backup on one of the worst teams in teh NBA. If we had a quality PF playing big minutes, G wouldn't see much floor time. At 26 years old, I don't really see any upside in this guy.
This is where the wolves screwed up in the KG area. They drastically overpaid for mediocre players. The wolves need to do a better job of managing the cap. We can easily get a suitable replacement for G in FA or in a trade. Remember that Wiggins and Towns ( if they develop) will be getting contracts starting around the 25-30 mil range per year.
When the cap goes up, the biggest salary change is the middle-class, not the top. Teams are going to have cap space and only a few stars worth over 20 million a year will even be available so the next players to get paid will be the current MLE-10 million a year guys who will start getting 10-15 million a year because that's what the market will pay them. Did you think Reggie Jackson was worth the mini-max last off-season? That's what he got because of the new cap. Dieng will be entering his prime and is a fringe starter (meaning he could start for several other teams) so he'll easily get 10 million and could get more depending on the bigs in his market.
I'd like to see the organization move past the idea that they can win without scoring from the pg position. Start doing their homework with possible draft prospects to replace Ricky while looking for a team foolish enough to wanna take their shot at winning with Ricky. 76ers would be a logical option . Noel for Ricky and parts?
I read an article that the Wolves have taken over the worst winning percantage of all time this year. The article had mentioned that as of 5 years ago the Wolves weren't in the running for that distinguished honor. But this little run they've been on pushed them right into the lead. Hmmm, 5 years ago? Isn't that when Ricky started lacing them up here?
PorkChop wrote:I'd like to see the organization move past the idea that they can win without scoring from the pg position. Start doing their homework with possible draft prospects to replace Ricky while looking for a team foolish enough to wanna take their shot at winning with Ricky. 76ers would be a logical option . Noel for Ricky and parts?
I read an article that the Wolves have taken over the worst winning percantage of all time this year. The article had mentioned that as of 5 years ago the Wolves weren't in the running for that distinguished honor. But this little run they've been on pushed them right into the lead. Hmmm, 5 years ago? Isn't that when Ricky was drafted?
I'm assuming they've overtaken the Clippers?
MN continuing to suck balls while the Clippers string together 50+ win seasons have closed that gap quickly.
PorkChop wrote:I'd like to see the organization move past the idea that they can win without scoring from the pg position. Start doing their homework with possible draft prospects to replace Ricky while looking for a team foolish enough to wanna take their shot at winning with Ricky. 76ers would be a logical option . Noel for Ricky and parts?
I read an article that the Wolves have taken over the worst winning percantage of all time this year. The article had mentioned that as of 5 years ago the Wolves weren't in the running for that distinguished honor. But this little run they've been on pushed them right into the lead. Hmmm, 5 years ago? Isn't that when Ricky started lacing them up?
I'm assuming they've overtaken the Clippers?
MN continuing to suck balls while the Clippers string together 50+ win seasons have closed that gap quickly.
There are 2 common denominators from the last 5 seasons . Ricky and Pek . At some point you have to acknowledge that it isn't working and move on.
And yes it was the Clippers .
Nevermind the salty garbage that surrounded Ricky and Pek. . .I suppose there are a bounty of other point guards and centers that would have soared with these rosters.
Phenom's_Revenge wrote:Nevermind the salty garbage that surrounded Ricky and Pek. . .I suppose there are a bounty of other point guards and centers that would have soared with these rosters.
Don't know.
But I also don't know if many others would be absolved from responsibility for that long without showing significant improvement. Per usual... I don't think Rubio is the problem. But I wouldn't claim he's anything close to a solution either.
Sometimes, change is good. As much as I like Rubio, things can get stale. For good or bad, the team is destined to play a certain way (even with a good coach) with Rubio at the point. He's a polarizing player, obviously... it'll be interesting how that plays with the new regime that's coming here this summer. Do they dig building around a safe, steady facilitator who can't shoot, or will they opt for a more dynamic guy with potentially a higher ceiling?
What happens with Rubio will become an interesting topic the moment the new guys are hired.
They shouldnt be absolved of anything. I'm not an extremist and realize that there is certainly a middle ground here. While I'm a big Rubio fan, I'm a Wolves fan first and will welcome any move that brings relevancy back to the Twin Cities. It will need to be alot more than a player who shoots better, however.
I think the problem with Ricky versus the one dimensional PG is that Ricky doesn't really win us games. The other guy will win and lose games for you, but that is a big step up from where we are now.
We need a guy like a Lillard or Walker, that can close games when on. I realize there are things that Ricky does that don't show up in the stats, but we don't have the fire power to survive unless Wig, KAT, and someone else go off. I guess we are really talking about the fit, as others have suggested before me.
sjm34 wrote:I think the problem with Ricky versus the one dimensional PG is that Ricky doesn't really win us games. The other guy will win and lose games for you, but that is a big step up from where we are now.
We need a guy like a Lillard or Walker, that can close games when on. I realize there are things that Ricky does that don't show up in the stats, but we don't have the fire power to survive unless Wig, KAT, and someone else go off. I guess we are really talking about the fit, as others have suggested before me.
We just need a closer period, point guard or otherwise.
I was thinking this week about Dieng's value on that next contract and This week I sorta thought a little differently about how I view him.
On some ways Dieng oddly is more of the NBA new big man (I like how Q has called him a lesser version of Towns) than we would have ever thought he would be coming out of college. Dude has long 2 range and you don't exactly hate that he shoots those because he makes a healthy enough percentage (so far this year as far as I know) it's a good shot. On top of that it seems perfectly reasonable he could actually be a legit 3 point shooting big. Crazy right? On top of that lets say you are a team looking at paying him a pretty healthy contract and you pan on him being a starting C or playing 30mpg. Are you going to not be able to play him of teams go small? He has sometimes done a pretty good job guarding mobile PFs this year you might be able to leave him in there? What about end of the game situations? Want to foul Dieng? Sure go for it he might be the best FT shooter on the floor. Who are the big scary centers he possibly can't defend?
Cousins
Drummond
Okafor
Deandre Jordan
I am sure I forgot at least one other guy but hey he isn't Omar Asik that if he has to guard a Towns or anyone with a really nice outside game which is nearly everyone they are nearly useless at times. Dieng also uses what he has by being a pest poking balls away gambling at times when playing the big guys that would really beat him up in the post. It doesn't always work but he has a knack for it and it's better than bodying a guy up getting backed down and being scored on.
To be honest even if the numbers are t really impressive I think Dieng has been one guy that actually has been a guy that's shown real improvement this year. He has been the 2 most surprising bright spot after Towns. He isn't there yet and maybe never will but he has been better defensively and his improved shot is pretty damn remarkable.
I can see Dieng having a good enough value down the line to get a pretty healthy contract. Unless the Wolves can sign him to a reasonable extension as a top rotation player (not sure what that would look like with the cap rising) they are going to have a tough decision on their hands of what to do with him at some point. It's a refreshing problem to have a draft pick on a rookie contract that might be too good to price themselves out of how good they are for this team. Usually we are trying to dump those guys on someone. Lol
