Flip is a huge dissapointment

[Coolbreeze44]

I'm disappointed in everyone. Lets just sell the team so we don't have to ever watch them again!

PS: This is pretty damn funny haha
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12085475

Another great moment in the career of KG. Such a punk.

[TheGrey08]

I'm disappointed in everyone. Lets just sell the team so we don't have to ever watch them again!

PS: This is pretty damn funny haha
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12085475

Another great moment in the career of KG. Such a punk.

You must REALLY be in a bad mood if you don't find that funny. I need the laugh from this clip after watching this game.

[Coolbreeze44]

I don't find anything funny about a guy who has been in the league for 20 years and still acts like an idiot.

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

My disappointment from Flip stems from the fact that I haven't seen him take much responsibility this year. He's been able to blame everyone and everything but himself, but he is one of the few who gets to both pick his players and coach them up. If he doesn't have the personnel he needs to win then that is on him as the GM. I get injuries play a role, but there was no chance this team was going to be good even if they were fully healthy and that was due to moves he has made both this offseason and last.

You can defend Martin's offensive production, but on a team with no help defense behind him his defensive deficiencies really stood out last year. Pek got paid a lot of money with an injury history and no other teams bidding for his services. He's now 12 million dollars sunk into a 60 game center at best for the next few years. While Bud got hurt and that really hurt his ability to play, he cost us a first round draft pick. You just don't give up that kind of value for a role player. The only reason Brewer wasn't a horrible deal was because of how much better Love made him as a transition player, but at the end of the day he couldn't shoot and he lacked the fundamentals needed from a wing defender on a team with no rim protection to keep his man in front of him. Now Flip went ahead and traded a first round pick for Thad Young who again is a role player. Thad is starting for us, but I don't see him as a starter on a majority of the actually good teams in the league. That is more than likely going to cost us another mid-first round pick. If Thad opts out of his deal to play for a better team, we gave away a first round pick for 1 year of Thad and considering how stacked the West was going into this season that should have been an obvious choice to take the pick.

I think a lot of people including Flip just couldn't make peace before the season with the fact that this was going to be a rebuilding year and instead another attempt at trying to win more now is going to cost us another asset. Flip can blame injuries and players, but at the end of the day he is responsible for the players and the system these guys play in and I just find it hard to believe it is all the player's fault for why this team is so bad right now. We are in a unique situation where if it is a personnel issue or a coaching issue, they both fall on the same guy. Right now it seems like both have combined forces to create a destructive vortex that is making this team probably the worst in the league at this point in time.

[AbeVigodaLive]

I've said it before... Flip is a genius. So, is Sam Hinkie in Philadelphia... but for another reason. In Flip's case...

Buy time as a GM by taking on the coach's role too. If the coaching stint works, he is one of the most powerful guys in the entire NBA and is seen as a rainmaker.

Have the coaching gig tank and blame that for taking too much time away from your GM duties and respectfully step down after a couple horrible seasons. Then, beg the populace that you should only be judged as GM from that point forward. Genius. He's bought himself a couple extra years at the helm (no matter what happens) at the very least. Kudos Flip.


[Note: Saunders was not a bad coach... when he had vets. He was proven to an atrocious fit on a young team previously (Washington) and he even admitted at the time it wasn't his preference. So, to put him in charge of another massive overhaul? Not the most astute move by Glen Taylor.]

[Phenom]

Well many people expected to be disappointed with Flip at coach. I was not very enthusiastic about it. I hated the long 2 offense and some had me believe that different personnel would lead to a different offense. Well this team shoots a lot of long 2s with a foot on the line. Coincidence? I am hoping that at some point Flip falls in love with an available coach and steps down. Maybe Hoiberg. Otherwise this team will need some very good mid range shooters ala Brandon or Cassell to make this work.

The future coach philosophy is this for Flip:

1. call Hoiberg every year and see if he wants to leave his dream job

2. eventually hire his son to take over.


It's ridiculous

Yea it really is lame. I was really concerned about the incestuous country club cycle that goes on under Glen's watch when Flip was brought back in the loop. It really will not change until Glen sells and a new owner takes a stand. Until then we can only hope a player or two can lift this team on their own.

[longstrangetrip [enjin:6600564]]

I don't know, guys...Flip's far from perfect, but I still have a difficult time ripping him. I try to imagine Pop coaching a starting unit of Dieng, Young, Wiggins, Muhammad and LaVine, and I don't envision him winning many games either. Flip has made a couple mistakes as GM, as all GM's do, and I have some issues with his offensive philosophy, but I'm not going to form any conclusions about his coaching until we get our stars back. It's not Flip's fault that Ricky, Kevin and Pek got hurt, or that Thad's mom died for that matter. I'm still looking forward to seeing what this club can do when healthy. If Ricky comes back healthy and they continue to struggle, I will be the first to rip Flip.

[mjs34]

I don't know, guys...Flip's far from perfect, but I still have a difficult time ripping him. I try to imagine Pop coaching a starting unit of Dieng, Young, Wiggins, Muhammad and LaVine, and I don't envision him winning many games either. Flip has made a couple mistakes as GM, as all GM's do, and I have some issues with his offensive philosophy, but I'm not going to form any conclusions about his coaching until we get our stars back. It's not Flip's fault that Ricky, Kevin and Pek got hurt, or that Thad's mom died for that matter. I'm still looking forward to seeing what this club can do when healthy. If Ricky comes back healthy and they continue to struggle, I will be the first to rip Flip.

LST, Pop coaches SA to victories all the time without the big 3 playing.

What is Flip's offensive system? Pound the ball on the perimeter until you can pass to guy running away from the basket for a 22ft 2 pt jump shot? Wonder why that isn't working. I am sick and tired of hearing the young and inexperienced BS. It's the vets D with Thad, Bud, and Mo that is killing this team. Our so called leaders are continually out of position, and couldn't guard their man even if they stumble to the right spot. How many times does bud have to stand and watch a SG blow by him before Flip realizes he can't guard the position?

"We're a young team and sometimes it happens like that at the end of the game," Young said.

Who the hell is Young talking about in this quote from the other day? Budinger stepping out of bounds? He isn't young. Was it the young guys who continually got picked by Green last night?

[longstrangetrip [enjin:6600564]]

I don't know, guys...Flip's far from perfect, but I still have a difficult time ripping him. I try to imagine Pop coaching a starting unit of Dieng, Young, Wiggins, Muhammad and LaVine, and I don't envision him winning many games either. Flip has made a couple mistakes as GM, as all GM's do, and I have some issues with his offensive philosophy, but I'm not going to form any conclusions about his coaching until we get our stars back. It's not Flip's fault that Ricky, Kevin and Pek got hurt, or that Thad's mom died for that matter. I'm still looking forward to seeing what this club can do when healthy. If Ricky comes back healthy and they continue to struggle, I will be the first to rip Flip.

LST, Pop coaches SA to victories all the time without the big 3 playing.

What is Flip's offensive system? Pound the ball on the perimeter until you can pass to guy running away from the basket for a 22ft 2 pt jump shot? Wonder why that isn't working. I am sick and tired of hearing the young and inexperienced BS. It's the vets D with Thad, Bud, and Mo that is killing this team. Our so called leaders are continually out of position, and couldn't guard their man even if they stumble to the right spot. How many times does bud have to stand and watch a SG blow by him before Flip realizes he can't guard the position?

"We're a young team and sometimes it happens like that at the end of the game," Young said.

Who the hell is Young talking about in this quote from the other day? Budinger stepping out of bounds? He isn't young. Was it the young guys who continually got picked by Green last night?

Yeah, the vets are really disappointing me too, sjm. But I don't agree that Pop has had much success when he rests his stars. Just take a look at the last 7 games for example...the Spurs have lost 6 out of 7 games, and they only have Parker hurt (and he actually played in the one game that they won). Did Pop all of a sudden become a terrible coach in the last 7 games? Of course not. You win with players in the NBA, and even losing one of your best players, like Parker, drastically reduces your chances of winning. Now, try losing three starters, and try winning with a lineup of four rookies and second year players and an oddly disinterested Thad Young. Just isn't going to happen.

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

I don't know, guys...Flip's far from perfect, but I still have a difficult time ripping him. I try to imagine Pop coaching a starting unit of Dieng, Young, Wiggins, Muhammad and LaVine, and I don't envision him winning many games either. Flip has made a couple mistakes as GM, as all GM's do, and I have some issues with his offensive philosophy, but I'm not going to form any conclusions about his coaching until we get our stars back. It's not Flip's fault that Ricky, Kevin and Pek got hurt, or that Thad's mom died for that matter. I'm still looking forward to seeing what this club can do when healthy. If Ricky comes back healthy and they continue to struggle, I will be the first to rip Flip.

LST, Pop coaches SA to victories all the time without the big 3 playing.

What is Flip's offensive system? Pound the ball on the perimeter until you can pass to guy running away from the basket for a 22ft 2 pt jump shot? Wonder why that isn't working. I am sick and tired of hearing the young and inexperienced BS. It's the vets D with Thad, Bud, and Mo that is killing this team. Our so called leaders are continually out of position, and couldn't guard their man even if they stumble to the right spot. How many times does bud have to stand and watch a SG blow by him before Flip realizes he can't guard the position?

"We're a young team and sometimes it happens like that at the end of the game," Young said.

Who the hell is Young talking about in this quote from the other day? Budinger stepping out of bounds? He isn't young. Was it the young guys who continually got picked by Green last night?

Yeah, the vets are really disappointing me too, sjm. But I don't agree that Pop has had much success when he rests his stars. Just take a look at the last 7 games for example...the Spurs have lost 6 out of 7 games, and they only have Parker hurt (and he actually played in the one game that they won). Did Pop all of a sudden become a terrible coach in the last 7 games? Of course not. You win with players in the NBA, and even losing one of your best players, like Parker, drastically reduces your chances of winning. Now, try losing three starters, and try winning with a lineup of four rookies and second year players and an oddly disinterested Thad Young. Just isn't going to happen.

We aren't even staying within double digits most nights. It hasn't even been close. If we were competitive and could keep it within 10 that would be one thing, but we are losing by 20+ seemingly 9/10 games. Youth and injuries are an excuse to lose, but not to get blown out on a consistent basis.