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khans2k5 wrote:Honestly, I would test to see if NO would take Brewer, Bud and JJ for Gordon and Rivers. There is only a 2 million dollar difference in salaries that we would take on, but it would balance our roster. Gordon is overpaid, but he is another guy that can give you 15 a night either as a starter or off the bench and he can be effective in the PnR. NO is very weak at the 3 and Tyreke was only effective starting this year, so it could fit their needs as well.

repplile wrote:First off thanks to Volans because this is a great topic for a thread.

Combined our 1-3 positions this year are costing us as follows:
1: Rubio, Barea and Price @ 9.7 million
2. Martin, Shved @ 9.5 million
3. Budinger, Brewer, Baz, LRMAM, Hummel and Jeffers @ 16.55 million

This is clearly untenable as SF has been the weakest position on the team in relative terms. As evidence of this we're being outscored there by 5 ppg at that position and our opponent's SF is typically 5 points better in PER. (I know this is not everyone's favorite set of metrics but it is merely some evidence of a problem in this case). Regardless of how you slice it, SF by committee isn't working.

I voted that we should move Luc and Hummel, though I would add to that the qualification that any of them should be movable for the right assets in return. My choices are premised on the notion that we are also moving Kevin Martin who I believe is a bad fit here given our defensive needs and still has some value around the league. If martin was moved and we did not get another top shelf wing in return I would like to see Brewer moved to the 2 as Q12543 and Volans advocated. Additionally I, like most people, would also like to see Barea gone.

Moving LMRAM is a priority in my opinion because he costs nearly 4.5 million next year, has little untapped potential, and gives us almost nothing besides defense. That's too much for a one way role player, especially since there are other options that satisfy his role. If we're interested in employing a defensive stopper to come in and disrupt things why not sign jeffers to the minimum next year for roughly 500k and use the 4m on something else? He's an expiring contract over next season so he might have some value and be easier to move for space than many of our other guys in that price range.

Moving hummel would not be a necessity due to his small salary but he is fundamentally a shooter who cannot shoot. Instead of wasting a roster spot hoping he might develop into a good shooter we may as well pluck one from the D-League or waivers after training camp if needed. Heck, I bet he'd be available to sign if we're thin during the season without a guaranteed contract anyway. My issue with Hummel is basically committing the roster spot to the development of a player with an admittedly low ceiling. There are higher potential gambles at the same cost and we should take those instead imo.

Since this is a player moving not player acquisition thread I won't go into who I think we should acquire for these assets but next year our salary situation would look roughly like this:

2014-15
1. Rubio and Shved @ 8.2 million
2. Brewer, Jeffers @ 5.2 million
3. Budinger and Baz @ 7 million

This clears roughly 15.7 million dollars and 4 roster spots for use on something else (worst case that something is player development for bazz and draft picks) and it would pave the way for a 2 way player at the wing if one becomes available. We still have a stopper and room to get some shooters if necessary and don't saddle ourselves with the roster imbalance of this season.

60WinTim wrote:I find myself on LST's wagon: it's not so much who do we want to keep, but who we can get in return. In my book, we absolutely need a legit combo guard that can backup Rubio and play some minutes at SG. And it ain't Barea (or Shved)!

I would also like us to get a more dynamic backup for Love. Dante has had a down year, now has legal problems, and is not under contract.

So whatever SF(s) helps us fill those two roles, go for it. (I'm also not tied to Martin or Pek - although a replacement would be needed if either one were moved)

Phenom's_Revenge wrote:This team needs to keep Brew. I love what he does and like his role on the team. He works so well with Ricky and Love and was a big part of many great starts this season. I think more important than moving him to the bench is reducing his minutes a bit, which will come with a better bench.

I want to see Shabazz get consistent minutes and see if he can be part of a better bench next year.

I do not necessarily mind keeping LRMAM or Bud around but I do not envision large roles for either. I would see if some team is willing to bite on them for someone more useful. I think when Rick steps down, Flip will have no attachment to these 2.

Its ridiculous that of all the Kings players that Flip probably could have had, he got Mbah and he could very well not make any significant impact for this team. I was honestly mystified when I learned that Thornton or Salmons or Fredette were not coming back in trade.