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Re: 2024 Wolves Free Agency

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2024 6:33 pm
by Monster
KG im genuinely curious what exactly made TyTy's g-league season "very impressive"? Statistically it looks like he did fine but nothing that amazing. I'm not against signing him but is there something I'm missing?

Re: 2024 Wolves Free Agency

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2024 7:01 pm
by KG4Ever
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Monster wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 6:33 pm KG im genuinely curious what exactly made TyTy's g-league season "very impressive"? Statistically it looks like he did fine but nothing that amazing. I'm not against signing him but is there something I'm missing?
He made 2.8 triples on 42.6%. Even though his scoring dropped from 26.6 to 21.3, he scored much more efficiently (46.7%) than his first year in G League. His assists were 8.3 per game and his turnovers 2.4. Assist to Turnover was about 3.5 which is excellent and much improved. His rebounds and steals dipped from his first year but they are still decent 4.2 rebounds, 1.1 steals, his plus/minus surged to 5.4 per game. He's a Kentucky guard like RD and I like the school's success rate for guards. He has a 6"8 wingspan. He's a free agent but on a two-way with Milwaukee. So I think we might only be able to sign him to a regular contract as I think Milwaukee has his two way rights.

Re: 2024 Wolves Free Agency

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2024 3:02 am
by 60WinTim
So, Saturday has come and gone and all we hear are crickets!

This means no QO was extended to Garza. I guess it makes sense: the Wolves only want to add guys at the vet minimum. I assume the QO would have been more than the vet minimum. So Luka can still re-sign for the vet minimum, but he is free to go somewhere else if he wishes.

I also assume Nix didn’t get a QO on his two-way, so the Wolves have an open two-way slot if they find someone worthy in Summer League.

Free agency starts at 5pm CDT. Connelly is known for getting his ducks in a row fairly quickly…

Re: 2024 Wolves Free Agency

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2024 8:48 am
by 60WinTim
Yup! The transactions hit Spotrac this morning. QOs for both Garza and Nix were declined.

On another note, the Bucks declined the QO on TyTy as well…

Re: 2024 Wolves Free Agency

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2024 9:00 am
by Monster
KG4Ever wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 7:01 pm .6
Monster wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 6:33 pm KG im genuinely curious what exactly made TyTy's g-league season "very impressive"? Statistically it looks like he did fine but nothing that amazing. I'm not against signing him but is there something I'm missing?
He made 2.8 triples on 42.6%. Even though his scoring dropped from 26.6 to 21.3, he scored much more efficiently (46.7%) than his first year in G League. His assists were 8.3 per game and his turnovers 2.4. Assist to Turnover was about 3.5 which is excellent and much improved. His rebounds and steals dipped from his first year but they are still decent 4.2 rebounds, 1.1 steals, his plus/minus surged to 5.4 per game. He's a Kentucky guard like RD and I like the school's success rate for guards. He has a 6"8 wingspan. He's a free agent but on a two-way with Milwaukee. So I think we might only be able to sign him to a regular contract as I think Milwaukee has his two way rights.
Trust me it’s happened to me plenty of times but you didn’t look at all the g-league games played for TyTy. If you just look at his regular season stats then oh yeah that a heck of a season but click and do the regular season and showcase games to get all his G-league stats combined. Unfortunately he did not fare as well in the showcase games overall.

Re: 2024 Wolves Free Agency

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2024 9:26 am
by 60WinTim
Two of the 2nd round PGs from last year's draft I liked were not extended QOs on their two-way contracts: Isaiah Wong and Amari Bailey.

Re: 2024 Wolves Free Agency

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2024 9:54 am
by Lipoli390
WildWolf2813 wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 3:06 pm if Kyle and/or Morris wanna come back on reduced salaries for a year, sure, why not?

My guess is that someone offers Kyle a 2 year MLE in hopes that he can give them what he gave us.

McLaughlin goes. Don't see a reason for him to stay now. We need two short backup PG's?

Nix goes to summer league, signs elsewhere.

For Garza's sake, let him go somewhere else. Overseas, he can make a gaggle of money and be great. I don't mind him coming back though.

Get the best 2 guys from summer league on two-ways, preferably a wing and a big.

My top free agent target on a vet min would be Lonnie Walker. See if he wants the initial backup SF minutes. My long shot would be Oscar Tshiebwe on a two way or even vet min. He averaged 16 and 16 in G-League. We need more rebounders. Great Garza replacement.

Give Clark a 4 year deal with opt outs each year.


C Gobert/Reid /Tshiebwe
PF Towns /Anderson/Miller
SF McDaniels /Walker /Minott
SG Edwards /Alexander-Walker /Shannon
PG Conley /Dillingham /Clark

two-ways go to most deserving SL guys. We shouldn't overload on depth because we do need to figure out whether Miller, Clark and Minott can actually stick.
I don’t think the Wolves will condition re-signing Morris or Slo Mo on their willingness to accept lower salaries. The Wolves have Bird rights on Morris and Early Bird rights on Slo Mo. So they can pay Morris up to the League max and pay Slo Mo up to 175% of his current $9 million salary. It’s clear the Wolves organization isn’t concerned about payroll or luxury tax next season. They’re in for a penny and in for a pound. They’ll re-sign those two guys unless they find a better fit for the vet minimum - e.g., Batum. Meanwhile, I don’t see any team offering Morris anything close to his current salary. I think he’s played himself into vet minimum or at most biennial exception territory. I don’t see any team offering Kyle Anderson their full $12.5M MLE. Shooting is such a premium in today’s NBA and ever since his shoulder surgery Kyle, by his own admission, has struggled with his shot. I could see some team offering Kyle his current $9 million salary on a guaranteed 2-year deal. The Wolves might balk at guaranteeing a second year for Slo Mo because I do think our organization will want to dip below the second apron after next season.

I’d like to believe that we can count on Dillingham and Terrance Shannon Jr as roster replacements for Morris and Slo Mo, but that’s not prudent if we’re serious about competing for a championship next summer. So I’d be surprised if we don’t re-sign both Morris and Slo Mo, especially Morris. Signing them to a 1 or 2 year deal could make them good trade chips at the trade deadline if Dillingham and/or Shannon Jr. are performing really well.

I wouldn’t use a regular roster spot on Clark. No other team will offer him more than a 2-way. If Clark proves worthy, he can always be converted to a regular contract later in the season or next season.

Re: 2024 Wolves Free Agency

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2024 10:29 am
by rapsuperstar31
Lipoli390 wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2024 9:54 am
WildWolf2813 wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 3:06 pm if Kyle and/or Morris wanna come back on reduced salaries for a year, sure, why not?

My guess is that someone offers Kyle a 2 year MLE in hopes that he can give them what he gave us.

McLaughlin goes. Don't see a reason for him to stay now. We need two short backup PG's?

Nix goes to summer league, signs elsewhere.

For Garza's sake, let him go somewhere else. Overseas, he can make a gaggle of money and be great. I don't mind him coming back though.

Get the best 2 guys from summer league on two-ways, preferably a wing and a big.

My top free agent target on a vet min would be Lonnie Walker. See if he wants the initial backup SF minutes. My long shot would be Oscar Tshiebwe on a two way or even vet min. He averaged 16 and 16 in G-League. We need more rebounders. Great Garza replacement.

Give Clark a 4 year deal with opt outs each year.


C Gobert/Reid /Tshiebwe
PF Towns /Anderson/Miller
SF McDaniels /Walker /Minott
SG Edwards /Alexander-Walker /Shannon
PG Conley /Dillingham /Clark

two-ways go to most deserving SL guys. We shouldn't overload on depth because we do need to figure out whether Miller, Clark and Minott can actually stick.
I don’t think the Wolves will condition re-signing Morris or Slo Mo on their willingness to accept lower salaries. The Wolves have Bird rights on Morris and Early Bird rights on Slo Mo. So they can pay Morris up to the League max and pay Slo Mo up to 175% of his current $9 million salary. It’s clear the Wolves organization isn’t concerned about payroll or luxury tax next season. They’re in for a penny and in for a pound. They’ll re-sign those two guys unless they find a better fit for the vet minimum - e.g., Batum. Meanwhile, I don’t see any team offering Morris anything close to his current salary. I think he’s played himself into vet minimum or at most biennial exception territory. I don’t see any team offering Kyle Anderson their full $12.5M MLE. Shooting is such a premium in today’s NBA and ever since his shoulder surgery Kyle, by his own admission, has struggled with his shot. I could see some team offering Kyle his current $9 million salary on a guaranteed 2-year deal. The Wolves might balk at guaranteeing a second year for Slo Mo because I do think our organization will want to dip below the second apron after next season.

I’d like to believe that we can count on Dillingham and Terrance Shannon Jr as roster replacements for Morris and Slo Mo, but that’s not prudent if we’re serious about competing for a championship next summer. So I’d be surprised if we don’t re-sign both Morris and Slo Mo, especially Morris. Signing them to a 1 or 2 year deal could make them good trade chips at the trade deadline if Dillingham and/or Shannon Jr. are performing really well.

I wouldn’t use a regular roster spot on Clark. No other team will offer him more than a 2-way. If Clark proves worthy, he can always be converted to a regular contract later in the season or next season.
Agreed. The Wolves made the Dillingham trade because it was the only way they could bring in an impact point guard with the salary cap situation not being able to sign someone to more than the vet min. If the Wolves truly do not care about the luxury tax this season, you can sign Morris or Anderson for more than the vet min, and use their salary at the trade deadline to trade later if we need to make a change. It would be the only way possible to have a tradable asset at the deadline outside of trading someone like Naz or Mike.

Re: 2024 Wolves Free Agency

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2024 11:12 am
by Monster
rapsuperstar31 wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2024 10:29 am
Lipoli390 wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2024 9:54 am
WildWolf2813 wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 3:06 pm if Kyle and/or Morris wanna come back on reduced salaries for a year, sure, why not?

My guess is that someone offers Kyle a 2 year MLE in hopes that he can give them what he gave us.

McLaughlin goes. Don't see a reason for him to stay now. We need two short backup PG's?

Nix goes to summer league, signs elsewhere.

For Garza's sake, let him go somewhere else. Overseas, he can make a gaggle of money and be great. I don't mind him coming back though.

Get the best 2 guys from summer league on two-ways, preferably a wing and a big.

My top free agent target on a vet min would be Lonnie Walker. See if he wants the initial backup SF minutes. My long shot would be Oscar Tshiebwe on a two way or even vet min. He averaged 16 and 16 in G-League. We need more rebounders. Great Garza replacement.

Give Clark a 4 year deal with opt outs each year.


C Gobert/Reid /Tshiebwe
PF Towns /Anderson/Miller
SF McDaniels /Walker /Minott
SG Edwards /Alexander-Walker /Shannon
PG Conley /Dillingham /Clark

two-ways go to most deserving SL guys. We shouldn't overload on depth because we do need to figure out whether Miller, Clark and Minott can actually stick.
I don’t think the Wolves will condition re-signing Morris or Slo Mo on their willingness to accept lower salaries. The Wolves have Bird rights on Morris and Early Bird rights on Slo Mo. So they can pay Morris up to the League max and pay Slo Mo up to 175% of his current $9 million salary. It’s clear the Wolves organization isn’t concerned about payroll or luxury tax next season. They’re in for a penny and in for a pound. They’ll re-sign those two guys unless they find a better fit for the vet minimum - e.g., Batum. Meanwhile, I don’t see any team offering Morris anything close to his current salary. I think he’s played himself into vet minimum or at most biennial exception territory. I don’t see any team offering Kyle Anderson their full $12.5M MLE. Shooting is such a premium in today’s NBA and ever since his shoulder surgery Kyle, by his own admission, has struggled with his shot. I could see some team offering Kyle his current $9 million salary on a guaranteed 2-year deal. The Wolves might balk at guaranteeing a second year for Slo Mo because I do think our organization will want to dip below the second apron after next season.

I’d like to believe that we can count on Dillingham and Terrance Shannon Jr as roster replacements for Morris and Slo Mo, but that’s not prudent if we’re serious about competing for a championship next summer. So I’d be surprised if we don’t re-sign both Morris and Slo Mo, especially Morris. Signing them to a 1 or 2 year deal could make them good trade chips at the trade deadline if Dillingham and/or Shannon Jr. are performing really well.

I wouldn’t use a regular roster spot on Clark. No other team will offer him more than a 2-way. If Clark proves worthy, he can always be converted to a regular contract later in the season or next season.
Agreed. The Wolves made the Dillingham trade because it was the only way they could bring in an impact point guard with the salary cap situation not being able to sign someone to more than the vet min. If the Wolves truly do not care about the luxury tax this season, you can sign Morris or Anderson for more than the vet min, and use their salary at the trade deadline to trade later if we need to make a change. It would be the only way possible to have a tradable asset at the deadline outside of trading someone like Naz or Mike.
It's clear to me the Wolves to care somewhat about how much this team will cost next year and that's fair. The Moore deal was clearly a salary dump. They aren't gonna give Anderson and Morris whatever they want or maybe even the highest offer they get. I think both guys likely understand the value of coming back to a good team. I don't think either guy is gonna get a ton of money and I think Lip laid out exactly what I think in terms of salary expectations. If Morris has a bounce back season he could be quite the bargain so maybe some team banks on that and offers a 1 year deal for something like 5-7 million. I could see the Wolves being willing to give him a deal that guarantees 5 million this season. Like Lip I'm not sure how much they are going to want to guarantee for those guys past this season unless it's really cheap but again that limited them sending out salaries inna deal. I think both Morris and Anderson likely know that Connelly will also try to do right by them if he did deal them and not send them to Detroit or something although Morris is from there but has been there done that. Lol

Re: 2024 Wolves Free Agency

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2024 11:56 am
by Lipoli390
Monster wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2024 11:12 am
rapsuperstar31 wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2024 10:29 am
Lipoli390 wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2024 9:54 am

I don’t think the Wolves will condition re-signing Morris or Slo Mo on their willingness to accept lower salaries. The Wolves have Bird rights on Morris and Early Bird rights on Slo Mo. So they can pay Morris up to the League max and pay Slo Mo up to 175% of his current $9 million salary. It’s clear the Wolves organization isn’t concerned about payroll or luxury tax next season. They’re in for a penny and in for a pound. They’ll re-sign those two guys unless they find a better fit for the vet minimum - e.g., Batum. Meanwhile, I don’t see any team offering Morris anything close to his current salary. I think he’s played himself into vet minimum or at most biennial exception territory. I don’t see any team offering Kyle Anderson their full $12.5M MLE. Shooting is such a premium in today’s NBA and ever since his shoulder surgery Kyle, by his own admission, has struggled with his shot. I could see some team offering Kyle his current $9 million salary on a guaranteed 2-year deal. The Wolves might balk at guaranteeing a second year for Slo Mo because I do think our organization will want to dip below the second apron after next season.

I’d like to believe that we can count on Dillingham and Terrance Shannon Jr as roster replacements for Morris and Slo Mo, but that’s not prudent if we’re serious about competing for a championship next summer. So I’d be surprised if we don’t re-sign both Morris and Slo Mo, especially Morris. Signing them to a 1 or 2 year deal could make them good trade chips at the trade deadline if Dillingham and/or Shannon Jr. are performing really well.

I wouldn’t use a regular roster spot on Clark. No other team will offer him more than a 2-way. If Clark proves worthy, he can always be converted to a regular contract later in the season or next season.
Agreed. The Wolves made the Dillingham trade because it was the only way they could bring in an impact point guard with the salary cap situation not being able to sign someone to more than the vet min. If the Wolves truly do not care about the luxury tax this season, you can sign Morris or Anderson for more than the vet min, and use their salary at the trade deadline to trade later if we need to make a change. It would be the only way possible to have a tradable asset at the deadline outside of trading someone like Naz or Mike.
It's clear to me the Wolves to care somewhat about how much this team will cost next year and that's fair. The Moore deal was clearly a salary dump. They aren't gonna give Anderson and Morris whatever they want or maybe even the highest offer they get. I think both guys likely understand the value of coming back to a good team. I don't think either guy is gonna get a ton of money and I think Lip laid out exactly what I think in terms of salary expectations. If Morris has a bounce back season he could be quite the bargain so maybe some team banks on that and offers a 1 year deal for something like 5-7 million. I could see the Wolves being willing to give him a deal that guarantees 5 million this season. Like Lip I'm not sure how much they are going to want to guarantee for those guys past this season unless it's really cheap but again that limited them sending out salaries inna deal. I think both Morris and Anderson likely know that Connelly will also try to do right by them if he did deal them and not send them to Detroit or something although Morris is from there but has been there done that. Lol
You’re right, Monster — the Wolves must have some limit on how much they’re willing to spend on these two guys. And I think we both agree that neither one will command a salary in the marketplace that puts them above that unknown threshold. We’re both seeing the only potential snag is a second year guarantee. I’m not sure the Wolves will be willing to guarantee a second year to either player and that’s something another team might offer to entice them away. But if the salary is as reasonable as I expect it to be, then both players will be pretty easily moved for some value in return after next season.