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thedoper wrote: Wed Oct 29, 2025 11:39 pm I would lump Rudy in with Naz for not earning his $ so far this year. Less than 10pts and 10rebs plus being the “best defender” on a bottom rung D is not good enough.
As Rudy biggest defender I agree with this. He has not been good. Not including tonight we are the 7th best defense when he is on the floor however he is not doing enough to impact games. His rebounding is a massive concern, his FT% down and like you said him being the best defender on a bad defensive team does not say much.

I wish the wolves could become not pathetic without Rudy on D so they can lower his minutes because the offense is humming when Rudy is off the floor
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We're now in Year 4 with Rudy. Everyone may recall that he was originally acquired to go into "win now" mode and get our young guys at the time - Ant, Jaden, and Naz - deep playoff experience. Mission accomplished!

The problem is jettisoning Rudy immediately plummets us into the depths of NBA defensive efficiency and I don't think Joan is enough to solve that.
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kekgeek wrote: Wed Oct 29, 2025 11:14 pm Conley: C+
Donte: C+
Jaden: A
Randle: B+
Rudy: D
Naz: F
TSJ: F
Bones: B-
Dilly: C
Jaden was certainly our best player last night...30/7 despite having to chase Reeves all night. And Ju continues to play the best basketball of his career, and probably deserved his 5th straight A. As I expected, Mike's shooting is progressing to his mean...I think he'll be close to 40% on treys again before the season is over. And despite the painful loss, we got to see real PG play...Rob and Mike had 11 assists and only 3 turnovers and shot 50%. Donte continues to connect on his open looks, and was close to blocking Reeve's winning shot.

And then there is Naz and TJS...both have been enormous failures this year. If this is all we are going to get from Shannon, we need Clark back soon to take his minutes. And he may find himself totally out of the rotation when Ant returns is he doesn't start showing us something. With NAW averaging 16.2 PPG for Atlanta and getting paid $10 million less than Naz, it's pretty easy to second guess our decision to let him go. Who would you rather have right now: NAW and his relentless perimeter defense plus a serviceable defensive center we could have perhaps signed with the $10 million, or the human turnstile. Maybe things will change, but paying Naz his $25 million looks very bad right now.

Finally, the Wolves are 0-2 when Ant oddly wears his sunglasses on the bench, and 1-0 when he doesn't.
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Q-is-here wrote: Thu Oct 30, 2025 8:22 am We're now in Year 4 with Rudy. Everyone may recall that he was originally acquired to go into "win now" mode and get our young guys at the time - Ant, Jaden, and Naz - deep playoff experience. Mission accomplished!

The problem is jettisoning Rudy immediately plummets us into the depths of NBA defensive efficiency and I don't think Joan is enough to solve that.
I've been disappointed in Rudy this season, but the sad thing is you can make an argument that he is still our most important player. All we need is a comparison of our defensive rating with and without him plus Kek's documenting of our terrible defense when he sits to realize his importance. And his screening is such an important part of Ant's offense (plus I noticed both Rob and Donte using his screens to get open last night). Life after Rudy is going to be painful unless one of our teenage centers develops into an elite defender. But it's sad that our (arguably) most important player can be so frustrating to watch.
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Q-is-here wrote: Wed Oct 29, 2025 11:27 pm While I'm personally the most disappointed in Shannon so far this season, the guy that we should be truly distraught about is Reid given his contract. It takes me back to the emotion I felt after the OKC series and I wanted to see us jettison Randle AND Reid.

There isn't much Dillingham can do about his defensive deficiencies (guessing that's why he got the mediocre grade), but at least he showed some legit PG chops tonight.
I share your disappointment in Shannon so far. I worry that he’s lost confidence or something. He was pretty thoroughly tested last season and he proved to be too good for too many minutes last season to be this bad. I suspect Finchy’s quick hook might have something to do with Shannon’s problems. I like holding players accountable but I think we’re seeing that Finch is not a good coach for younger or less experienced players.

Dilly can definitely improve defensively through experience. Much of defense in the NBA is mental - knowing where to be and what to do and knowing your opponents. It has to become instinctive and that takes time. Further, while he can’t great taller, he can definitely get stronger. Peak male strength typically occurs between ages 25-30. Of course I don’t envision him becoming a great defender, but he can become good enough. I still see him becoming a very good offensive PG with his combination of elite ball-handling, passing and shooting skills.

Even the best teams rarely have 5 or even 4 really good defenders in their starting lineups. Part of our problem defensively is that Rudy isn’t the defender he used to be. I don’t think Jaden’s as good as he should be. And Ant is great defensively only when he wants to be. We miss NAW, which tells me that Clark needs more minutes consistently once he’s recovered from his calf injury. Although like most of us, I wish we had a reliable defensive big off the bench, but I think our main defensive deficiency is on the perimeter. We don’t stop offensive players at the point of attack the way we need to and we allow shooters to get their feet set WAY too often. I don’t think even Jaden is at his best defensively guarding the perimeter. Rudy can’t guard outside the paint at all. Ant doesn’t provide the consistent perimeter defense we need from him and that he’s fully capable of providing. As Jim Peterson once said, even the greatest defensive bigs can’t stop NBA players coming at them with a full head of steam. Defenders need to stop or at least substantially slow offensive players at the point of attach. I’ll add that even good closeouts are remarkably ineffective against good shooters once those shooters get their feet set.

The Bulls won three championships as a GREAT defensive team with Luc Longley as their center and Steve Kerr as their PG. I can’t come up with two worse defenders that those two. But the Bulls had three great defenders in Rodman, MJ and Pippen. All three defended at an elite level consistently everywhere on the court. I’ve never liked having a defense, especially in today’s NBA, that’s built around a pure paint defender like Rudy. It’s especially problematic for the Wolves now as Rudy’s skills are declining. I continue to believe our team needs to be reformulated around highly athletic, mobile, aggressive defenders with an offense that moves the ball and runs. We have a core group of talented players as our foundation for that sort of team - Ant, Jaden, Clark, Beringer and Shannnon. A gifted offensive player like Dilly can work well with enough good defenders around him. Even Dilly can use his quickness to jump passing lanes and get steals.

I should also note that we’ve been terrible offensively this season as well. Only 4 teams in the West are averaging fewer points per game than the Wolves so far this season and 3 of those 4 are below us in the standings. That’s a telling stat.

I don’t think we need to jettison Naz, Randle and Rudy. I just don’t think we can succeed with all three. It seems to me that one or maybe two of them need to go for the right price in return. And I’m no longer sold on Finch as the right head coach for this team. I’m not yet in the dump Finch camp but I’m seriously questioning whether we’ll need to make a change at some point this season or next summer.

The good news is that we’re only five games into the season. More good news is that Ant will return at some point not too far down the road. Finally, we have our first round pick next summer so this is the season to take a step back if that’s what happens. In the meantime, I want to see Shannon, Clark and Dilly get lots of consistent playing time. We’re going to need those three over the long haul beyond this season. They need to play and Finch needs to allow them to play through failure because that’s how they’ll learn.
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kekgeek wrote: Wed Oct 29, 2025 11:50 pm
thedoper wrote: Wed Oct 29, 2025 11:39 pm I would lump Rudy in with Naz for not earning his $ so far this year. Less than 10pts and 10rebs plus being the “best defender” on a bottom rung D is not good enough.
As Rudy biggest defender I agree with this. He has not been good. Not including tonight we are the 7th best defense when he is on the floor however he is not doing enough to impact games. His rebounding is a massive concern, his FT% down and like you said him being the best defender on a bad defensive team does not say much.

I wish the wolves could become not pathetic without Rudy on D so they can lower his minutes because the offense is humming when Rudy is off the floor
I agree, but the defensive numbers do skew when he's off the court too. Not sure what they are but I still got to think we're top 10 when he plays and bottom 2 when he doesn't. Still top 10 isn't good enough, if we're that?
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Lipoli390 wrote: Thu Oct 30, 2025 9:03 am
Q-is-here wrote: Wed Oct 29, 2025 11:27 pm While I'm personally the most disappointed in Shannon so far this season, the guy that we should be truly distraught about is Reid given his contract. It takes me back to the emotion I felt after the OKC series and I wanted to see us jettison Randle AND Reid.

There isn't much Dillingham can do about his defensive deficiencies (guessing that's why he got the mediocre grade), but at least he showed some legit PG chops tonight.
I share your disappointment in Shannon so far. I worry that he’s lost confidence or something. He was pretty thoroughly tested last season and he proved to be too good for too many minutes last season to be this bad. I suspect Finchy’s quick hook might have something to do with Shannon’s problems. I like holding players accountable but I think we’re seeing that Finch is not a good coach for younger or less experienced players.

Dilly can definitely improve defensively through experience. Much of defense in the NBA is mental - knowing where to be and what to do and knowing your opponents. It has to become instinctive and that takes time. Further, while he can’t great taller, he can definitely get stronger. Peak male strength typically occurs between ages 25-30. Of course I don’t envision him becoming a great defender, but he can become good enough. I still see him becoming a very good offensive PG with his combination of elite ball-handling, passing and shooting skills.

Even the best teams rarely have 5 or even 4 really good defenders in their starting lineups. Part of our problem defensively is that Rudy isn’t the defender he used to be. I don’t think Jaden’s as good as he should be. And Ant is great defensively only when he wants to be. We miss NAW, which tells me that Clark needs more minutes consistently once he’s recovered from his calf injury. Although like most of us, I wish we had a reliable defensive big off the bench, but I think our main defensive deficiency is on the perimeter. We don’t stop offensive players at the point of attack the way we need to and we allow shooters to get their feet set WAY too often. I don’t think even Jaden is at his best defensively guarding the perimeter. Rudy can’t guard outside the paint at all. Ant doesn’t provide the consistent perimeter defense we need from him and that he’s fully capable of providing. As Jim Peterson once said, even the greatest defensive bigs can’t stop NBA players coming at them with a full head of steam. Defenders need to stop or at least substantially slow offensive players at the point of attach. I’ll add that even good closeouts are remarkably ineffective against good shooters once those shooters get their feet set.

The Bulls won three championships as a GREAT defensive team with Luc Longley as their center and Steve Kerr as their PG. I can’t come up with two worse defenders that those two. But the Bulls had three great defenders in Rodman, MJ and Pippen. All three defended at an elite level consistently everywhere on the court. I’ve never liked having a defense, especially in today’s NBA, that’s built around a pure paint defender like Rudy. It’s especially problematic for the Wolves now as Rudy’s skills are declining. I continue to believe our team needs to be reformulated around highly athletic, mobile, aggressive defenders with an offense that moves the ball and runs. We have a core group of talented players as our foundation for that sort of team - Ant, Jaden, Clark, Beringer and Shannnon. A gifted offensive player like Dilly can work well with enough good defenders around him. Even Dilly can use his quickness to jump passing lanes and get steals.

I should also note that we’ve been terrible offensively this season as well. Only 4 teams in the West are averaging fewer points per game than the Wolves so far this season and 3 of those 4 are below us in the standings. That’s a telling stat.

I don’t think we need to jettison Naz, Randle and Rudy. I just don’t think we can succeed with all three. It seems to me that one or maybe two of them need to go for the right price in return. And I’m no longer sold on Finch as the right head coach for this team. I’m not yet in the dump Finch camp but I’m seriously questioning whether we’ll need to make a change at some point this season or next summer.

The good news is that we’re only five games into the season. More good news is that Ant will return at some point not too far down the road. Finally, we have our first round pick next summer so this is the season to take a step back if that’s what happens. In the meantime, I want to see Shannon, Clark and Dilly get lots of consistent playing time. We’re going to need those three over the long haul beyond this season. They need to play and Finch needs to allow them to play through failure because that’s how they’ll learn.
Rudys numbers are above league avg actually on the perimeter, at least they were last year, he might look clumsy but he's still better then avg, I think length matter (more then girth). I just remember that during the playoffs when Luka was trying to "cook" Rudy but Rudy did a fine job on him.

Luka ISO failed miseribly.
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