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Camden wrote:Here's my issue with all the "bench Thad Young" stuff. Nobody's taken the starting job from him with their play. Bennett has been poor. Adrien's our backup center and a journeyman around the league. Hummel's been decent off the bench in spurts, but he's not going to be an upgrade to our starting lineup. It would have to be Flip trying to shake things up except he'd have zero justification to his players on why he's benching Thad.

In my opinion, we absolutely have to keep starting Thad. He's better than his play thus far, and we shall see that when Rubio returns.


You keep making random statements against the other options as if somehow Thad has performed better. That just isn't the case as I keep pointing out. Thad is inefficient offensively, and horrible defensively, and there is no reason to believe that he will improve. You yourself, have surmised that he isn't playing hard because of his situation, which is the reason Flip has used as to why Bennett isn't seeing minutes. Shouldn't we be developing young guys, and doesn't that mean getting them minutes?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&y1=2015&p1=youngth01&y2=2015&p2=bennean01&y3=2015&p3=hummero01&p4=&p5=&p6=

I honestly couldn't give a shit who starts, but the amount of minutes played is ridiculously skewed based on the production we are seeing from Young, and there is absolutely no reason for him to be on the floor on nights when his offense is bad.
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My point was that Thad has still been our best PF even with his flaws this year. And while his effort isn't as high as it's been in previous years, it's still much better than Bennett's. Benching Thad would be a bonehead move at this point. And if Bennett wants more minutes, maybe he should start doing more than he's currently doing. He's not earning anything.
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What are you basing Thad being our best PF on? I don't see that at all. He justs jacks up slightly more shots while he is on the floor. The only thing Thad has over Bennett is more minutes, period!
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Even when players earn the starting gig Flip doesn't move them there so doing it to shake things up is the only way outside of injury that it is going to happen. Bazz should have been starting much sooner and yet it took trading Corey away to open up that spot. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. What would be the negative effect of benching Thad? The way I see it is that it might get Thad's mind out of the gutter and having to earn the spot back might give him the push he needs to play like he did in Philly. It might help Bennett play better getting more consistent minutes and the title of starter to get some confidence back. They are both playing bad so shaking things up is usually what you do if you want to see something different than what you are currently getting. Just wait until Ricky gets back is not a strategy for trying to improve now. You can always play Thad starters minutes off the bench if Bennett is too bad to keep on the court. Otherwise a shakeup could help both players and I don't see how they could get much lower than where they already are so I don't see much of a negative affect. Flip also had no problems starting Lavine over Mo when Ricky went down so he should have the same attitude with Bennett and Thad if he were a consistent coach.
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sjm34 wrote:What are you basing Thad being our best PF on? I don't see that at all. He justs jacks up slightly more shots while he is on the floor. The only thing Thad has over Bennett is more minutes, period!




I don't see much from Bennett to be hopeful about his future as a legit player in this league. What are you seeing that I'm missing?

I feel like he's like the 3rd string QB and everybody is piling on the overmatched starter right now.
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I see a guy that has a pretty diversified skill set already, is able hold position down low, and is a good rebounder. I, like everyone else question his motor, but even at low speed he has been just as effective as Thad.
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khans2k5 wrote:Even when players earn the starting gig Flip doesn't move them there so doing it to shake things up is the only way outside of injury that it is going to happen. Bazz should have been starting much sooner and yet it took trading Corey away to open up that spot. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. What would be the negative effect of benching Thad? The way I see it is that it might get Thad's mind out of the gutter and having to earn the spot back might give him the push he needs to play like he did in Philly. It might help Bennett play better getting more consistent minutes and the title of starter to get some confidence back. They are both playing bad so shaking things up is usually what you do if you want to see something different than what you are currently getting. Just wait until Ricky gets back is not a strategy for trying to improve now. You can always play Thad starters minutes off the bench if Bennett is too bad to keep on the court. Otherwise a shakeup could help both players and I don't see how they could get much lower than where they already are so I don't see much of a negative affect. Flip also had no problems starting Lavine over Mo when Ricky went down so he should have the same attitude with Bennett and Thad if he were a consistent coach.

Agreed. To me this makes a lot of sense. Shake things up by bringing Thad off the bench as the 6th man and giving Bennett a go next to Dieng, Bazz, Wiggins & Lavine. If nothing else he has the ability to be more physical and that is what is needed next to Dieng right now. Not a stretch 4 that can't or won't box out.
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With the way some of you talk about Bennett, you'd think he was a rebounding machine. Except he's not. He doesn't box out most of the time. He relies on his length and his hops. No fundamentals there.
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Thad gets 0.9 more RPG in twice the amount of playing time. Bennett is no Love, but he's the best rebounding 4 on our team and that is a huge weakness for us.
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khans2k5 wrote:Thad gets 0.9 more RPG in twice the amount of playing time. Bennett is no Love, but he's the best rebounding 4 on our team and that is a huge weakness for us.


I never said Thad was a great rebounder. But let's cool the talk that Bennett's so much better that he'll make a sizeable difference on the glass. That's while he stands on the perimeter on offense as shots go up. And while he's lost on defense.
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