Minnesota Sports Forum

I think you are right on Robison. I felt like he would have been cut, but we have a lot of young DE's behind him that should be ready to play and god damn as president of the Jaleel Johnson fan club he will be a force this year.

I agree about waiting out an OG. I wonder what we do at CB. We need a vet for depth.

We are really setting ourselves up to be able to draft best available. I was surprised about Murray too. I just don't see there being a market for him, but I think he has been a good lockerroom guy and did his job. That is certainly a big thing with this organization.

We are lucky to have Wilf's as owners. I would have to rank them as the best sports team owners in the state and top 10 in NFL. I think Polads and Taylor get more shit then they deserve, but are not the same level as Wilf's.

bleedspeed177 wrote:I think you are right on Robison. I felt like he would have been cut, but we have a lot of young DE's behind him that should be ready to play and god damn as president of the Jaleel Johnson fan club he will be a force this year.

I agree about waiting out an OG. I wonder what we do at CB. We need a vet for depth.

We are really setting ourselves up to be able to draft best available. I was surprised about Murray too. I just don't see there being a market for him, but I think he has been a good lockerroom guy and did his job. That is certainly a big thing with this organization.

We are lucky to have Wilf's as owners. I would have to rank them as the best sports team owners in the state and top 10 in NFL. I think Polads and Taylor get more shit then they deserve, but are not the same level as Wilf's.

I think your point about the Wilfs is pretty good. They haven't seemed to impede anything and it seems like in general they empower the people doing their jobs but they are also clearly invested in what is going on. There have been some rocky times but I never think they have been incompetent just some tough situations.

One small aspect of the Murray restructure is that it eliminates the 600k he was owed next year and puts than on this year. So that bumps up the total cap savings if they let him go after this season to nearly 2 million which is still a decent chunk and he is likely to become a FA at an age where he can probably still get a somewhat decent deal before he is just grasping for whatever some team throws his way. With Cook coming back from injury they probably liked having his diverse known skill set.

For defensive tackle it feels like the Vikings can find some nice talent there. They brought back Dylan Bradley and I don't know if Shamar will be back. This team needs guys like Jaleel and McKensie Alexander to step up or take the next step. I am optimistic about a number of young players doing that like Elf and even Waynes.

Forgot about Dylan Bradley. He has good potential too. I am excited about the young players they have and really think if we draft well this year it will be the key to setting this team up for years to come. We have already proven we can get players to come here for less. The record and facilities are going to be huge moving forward.

bleedspeed177 wrote:I think you are right on Robison. I felt like he would have been cut, but we have a lot of young DE's behind him that should be ready to play and god damn as president of the Jaleel Johnson fan club he will be a force this year.

I agree about waiting out an OG. I wonder what we do at CB. We need a vet for depth.

We are really setting ourselves up to be able to draft best available. I was surprised about Murray too. I just don't see there being a market for him, but I think he has been a good lockerroom guy and did his job. That is certainly a big thing with this organization.

We are lucky to have Wilf's as owners. I would have to rank them as the best sports team owners in the state and top 10 in NFL. I think Polads and Taylor get more shit then they deserve, but are not the same level as Wilf's.

Funny, I think Taylor and the Pohlads get way less shit than they deserve, and Craig Leopold may be the worst, which is really scary.

JasonIsDaMan wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:I think you are right on Robison. I felt like he would have been cut, but we have a lot of young DE's behind him that should be ready to play and god damn as president of the Jaleel Johnson fan club he will be a force this year.

I agree about waiting out an OG. I wonder what we do at CB. We need a vet for depth.

We are really setting ourselves up to be able to draft best available. I was surprised about Murray too. I just don't see there being a market for him, but I think he has been a good lockerroom guy and did his job. That is certainly a big thing with this organization.

We are lucky to have Wilf's as owners. I would have to rank them as the best sports team owners in the state and top 10 in NFL. I think Polads and Taylor get more shit then they deserve, but are not the same level as Wilf's.

Funny, I think Taylor and the Pohlads get way less shit than they deserve, and Craig Leopold may be the worst, which is really scary.

What is wrong with Leopold?

TheSP wrote:

JasonIsDaMan wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:I think you are right on Robison. I felt like he would have been cut, but we have a lot of young DE's behind him that should be ready to play and god damn as president of the Jaleel Johnson fan club he will be a force this year.

I agree about waiting out an OG. I wonder what we do at CB. We need a vet for depth.

We are really setting ourselves up to be able to draft best available. I was surprised about Murray too. I just don't see there being a market for him, but I think he has been a good lockerroom guy and did his job. That is certainly a big thing with this organization.

We are lucky to have Wilf's as owners. I would have to rank them as the best sports team owners in the state and top 10 in NFL. I think Polads and Taylor get more shit then they deserve, but are not the same level as Wilf's.

Funny, I think Taylor and the Pohlads get way less shit than they deserve, and Craig Leopold may be the worst, which is really scary.

What is wrong with Leopold?

An owner's main job is picking the right GM. Everything flows from there. Fletcher has been bad. He looked like a genius when he got Dubnyk, but his other deals have been horrible, and no GM should get credit for Parise, Suter or Stahl because those guy just picked the Mild because its the closest team to their house. And if I read one more story about how Fletcher is god's gift for drafting that Russian who will never play for MIN because Putin paid off (put definitely never threatened) his father, I'm going to throw my computer against the wall. The guy was there in the 5th round for a reason.

But back to the Pohlads for a minute. EVERY player with a no-trade has the Twins on it? Why is that? Molitor? Mauer? Morris? Blyleven cursing on TV? Shinders going out of business? All the downtown pizza-by-the-slice places closing up? The Al Franken incident? Doubt it.

JasonIsDaMan wrote:An owner's main job is picking the right GM. Everything flows from there. Fletcher has been bad. He looked like a genius when he got Dubnyk, but his other deals have been horrible, and no GM should get credit for Parise, Suter or Stahl because those guy just picked the Mild because its the closest team to their house. And if I read one more story about how Fletcher is god's gift for drafting that Russian who will never play for MIN because Putin paid off (put definitely never threatened) his father, I'm going to throw my computer against the wall. The guy was there in the 5th round for a reason.

Fair enough! While I do think there was a plan in the lead up to signing Parise and Suter to position the team to do so I agree that they both had the Wild in their sights to begin with. Once they signed those two to those ridiculously long contract they were all in... and it's gonna be a long ride down if they don't retire before those deals expire!

TheSP wrote:

JasonIsDaMan wrote:An owner's main job is picking the right GM. Everything flows from there. Fletcher has been bad. He looked like a genius when he got Dubnyk, but his other deals have been horrible, and no GM should get credit for Parise, Suter or Stahl because those guy just picked the Mild because its the closest team to their house. And if I read one more story about how Fletcher is god's gift for drafting that Russian who will never play for MIN because Putin paid off (but definitely never threatened) his father, I'm going to throw my computer against the wall. The guy was there in the 5th round for a reason.

Fair enough! While I do think there was a plan in the lead up to signing Parise and Suter to position the team to do so I agree that they both had the Wild in their sights to begin with. Once they signed those two to those ridiculously long contract they were all in... and it's gonna be a long ride down if they don't retire before those deals expire!

Other teams did similar things until Bettman stepped in and limited deals to 8 years. I also think that the Mild are paying more now so the final 5 or so years of those deals will be less expensive from a real-money standpoint for when the fans finally(?) desert that viking funeral of a hockey team. But when you pull up the drafts/transactions that happened since Fletcher took over, wow. I would really love to go "Full Khans" here and blame him for the Brett Burns deal or not dealing Gaborik at the deadline to MTL for Ryan McDonough, but those are about the only disasters he had no role in.

JasonIsDaMan wrote:

TheSP wrote:

JasonIsDaMan wrote:An owner's main job is picking the right GM. Everything flows from there. Fletcher has been bad. He looked like a genius when he got Dubnyk, but his other deals have been horrible, and no GM should get credit for Parise, Suter or Stahl because those guy just picked the Mild because its the closest team to their house. And if I read one more story about how Fletcher is god's gift for drafting that Russian who will never play for MIN because Putin paid off (but definitely never threatened) his father, I'm going to throw my computer against the wall. The guy was there in the 5th round for a reason.

Fair enough! While I do think there was a plan in the lead up to signing Parise and Suter to position the team to do so I agree that they both had the Wild in their sights to begin with. Once they signed those two to those ridiculously long contract they were all in... and it's gonna be a long ride down if they don't retire before those deals expire!

Other teams did similar things until Bettman stepped in and limited deals to 8 years. I also think that the Mild are paying more now so the final 5 or so years of those deals will be less expensive from a real-money standpoint for when the fans finally(?) desert that viking funeral of a hockey team. But when you pull up the drafts/transactions that happened since Fletcher took over, wow. I would really love to go "Full Khans" here and blame him for the Brett Burns deal or not dealing Gaborik at the deadline to MTL for Ryan McDonough, but those are about the only disasters he had no role in.

I don't think NHL deals work like that, but rather they apply the average value of the salary each and every year till they expire. You don't front load or back load contacts like the NFL.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/wild

TheSP wrote:

JasonIsDaMan wrote:

TheSP wrote:

JasonIsDaMan wrote:An owner's main job is picking the right GM. Everything flows from there. Fletcher has been bad. He looked like a genius when he got Dubnyk, but his other deals have been horrible, and no GM should get credit for Parise, Suter or Stahl because those guy just picked the Mild because its the closest team to their house. And if I read one more story about how Fletcher is god's gift for drafting that Russian who will never play for MIN because Putin paid off (but definitely never threatened) his father, I'm going to throw my computer against the wall. The guy was there in the 5th round for a reason.

Fair enough! While I do think there was a plan in the lead up to signing Parise and Suter to position the team to do so I agree that they both had the Wild in their sights to begin with. Once they signed those two to those ridiculously long contract they were all in... and it's gonna be a long ride down if they don't retire before those deals expire!

Other teams did similar things until Bettman stepped in and limited deals to 8 years. I also think that the Mild are paying more now so the final 5 or so years of those deals will be less expensive from a real-money standpoint for when the fans finally(?) desert that viking funeral of a hockey team. But when you pull up the drafts/transactions that happened since Fletcher took over, wow. I would really love to go "Full Khans" here and blame him for the Brett Burns deal or not dealing Gaborik at the deadline to MTL for Ryan McDonough, but those are about the only disasters he had no role in.

I don't think NHL deals work like that, but rather they apply the average value of the salary each and every year till they expire. You don't front load or back load contacts like the NFL.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/wild

From a cap standpoint you're absolutely right. But I wonder if you can pay more from a cash standpoint up front? Not only does that help you if your revenue takes a nose-dive, but it makes the contract more tradeable at the end. But if not, they better start drafting, because they are going to need the cheap deals.