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CoolBreeze44 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

Camden0916 wrote:The love for Winslow on this board is getting out of hand, in my opinion.

He's averaging 13/11/4/2 BPG's and almost 2 SPG's on almost 60% FG for a perimeter player. He's getting to the bucket almost at will and finishing at a high clip with either hand. He's also got similar measurables to Johnson while actually showing up on the big stage. He saved Duke's season against Utah similar to how Towns just saved Kentucky's season last night. It's a signature game on the big stage. He's always been just outside the top 5 so why is it surprising a good tournament has helped his stock?

Because it's not the guy Cam identified early in the season. Don't you know how relentlessly he will defend his forecasts?

I'm not sure if this is a joke or if you're throwing a legitimately ignorant jab...

Either way, I still think Stanley's the better wing of the two. Winslow's a fine prospect in his own right and is performing at the right time, but I don't see his ceiling being higher than Johnson's. With Justise, you know you're getting a role player, potentially a damn good one. Something about Stanley says that he can be more than that.

PS: Winslow's averaging 13/11/4/2 through the tourney, which is just a handful of games. 12/6/2/1 for the season, which is still decent, but not WOW numbers like you were trying to convey.

He's 7th on my board. I don't agree with putting him in the top-five nor any higher like some of you.

Okafor's effort level right now is a bit concerning. Always hate to see a guy jogging back.

Edit: Also just air-balled a free throw. Not sure if he'll get to your 70% projection, khans.

Camden0916 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

Camden0916 wrote:The love for Winslow on this board is getting out of hand, in my opinion.

He's averaging 13/11/4/2 BPG's and almost 2 SPG's on almost 60% FG for a perimeter player. He's getting to the bucket almost at will and finishing at a high clip with either hand. He's also got similar measurables to Johnson while actually showing up on the big stage. He saved Duke's season against Utah similar to how Towns just saved Kentucky's season last night. It's a signature game on the big stage. He's always been just outside the top 5 so why is it surprising a good tournament has helped his stock?

Because it's not the guy Cam identified early in the season. Don't you know how relentlessly he will defend his forecasts?

I'm not sure if this is a joke or if you're throwing a legitimately ignorant jab...

Either way, I still think Stanley's the better wing of the two. Winslow's a fine prospect in his own right and is performing at the right time, but I don't see his ceiling being higher than Johnson's. With Justise, you know you're getting a role player, potentially a damn good one. Something about Stanley says that he can be more than that.

PS: Winslow's averaging 13/11/4/2 through the tourney, which is just a handful of games. 12/6/2/1 for the season, which is still decent, but not WOW numbers like you were trying to convey.

He's 7th on my board. I don't agree with putting him in the top-five nor any higher like some of you.

I put a lot of stock in the tourney because guys get better throughout the year culminating in how they perform on the big stage. Johnson had a pretty bad tourney and Winslow is stepping up. I also think there is very little chance Johnson becomes a special player at the next level. He has pretty much physically peaked and yet he still struggled through contact much of the year at this level. Johnson is an athlete who lacks good basketball skills. Winslow is a basketball player who is a pretty good athlete.

I've only seen so much of this Tourney but Winslow has been the most impressive player I've seen. Lots of other posters have seen a lot more of these guys than I have just throwing out my observations.

I'm not in love with Okafor but I like that Okafor walls up and doesn't just swat at guys the thing is that in the NBA that won't be as effective at times with bigger players and more athletic ability. It's a positive trait though actually. It is really going to be interesting to see how guys measure out.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

Camden0916 wrote:The love for Winslow on this board is getting out of hand, in my opinion.

He's averaging 13/11/4/2 BPG's and almost 2 SPG's on almost 60% FG for a perimeter player. He's getting to the bucket almost at will and finishing at a high clip with either hand. He's also got similar measurables to Johnson while actually showing up on the big stage. He saved Duke's season against Utah similar to how Towns just saved Kentucky's season last night. It's a signature game on the big stage. He's always been just outside the top 5 so why is it surprising a good tournament has helped his stock?

Because it's not the guy Cam identified early in the season. Don't you know how relentlessly he will defend his forecasts?

I don't think this is an ignorant jab Cam, as it has some relevance. You identified Stauskas last year, and stuck with him when many things showed his play wouldn't translate to the pros. I think Johnson fits that same mold.

I was sold early on Johnson's size, past success, and what I've read, but it's not showing on the court. He's not very quick, he's a good defender, but not great. He is not good on offense. I've watched a handful of Arizona games this year and he is almost unnoticeable. Even last night you wouldn't have noticed him, 6 pts and fouled out with 5 mins to go in the biggest game of the year. As a supposed superb defender, he couldn't even stay in front of Sam Dekker. He also had a bone-headed double dribble on a fast break 3 on 1...

I think you're backwards on your Johnson and Winslow comments. Johnson has a chance to be a good role player, Winslow has a chance to be something special. Winslow shoots better, plays as good, if not better, defense, he is a better athlete, and he is built just about the same way as Johnson. Winslow is definitely the better prospect.

Winslow > Johnson

Johnson has to many flags. Not as good as advertised motor. Poor finisher in the paint. Not a good shooter. Coach benching him. Winslow has played the role he has because Okafor is a beast. He has shown he can carry the team when needed. You could really tell his ankle was messed up today and it effected his play. It was a good win by Duke to over come that and Gonzaga doing a great job on Okafor.

*Winslow was 1-7 from the field before he hurt his foot/ankle.

Cam, I don't think anybody would disagree that you are relentless at defending your favorites. It's not a bad thing, and in a way I admire it. But you should be able to acknowledge when you're wrong, and I've never seen you do that.

monsterpile wrote:I've only seen so much of this Tourney but Winslow has been the most impressive player I've seen. Lots of other posters have seen a lot more of these guys than I have just throwing out my observations.

I'm not in love with Okafor but I like that Okafor walls up and doesn't just swat at guys the thing is that in the NBA that won't be as effective at times with bigger players and more athletic ability. It's a positive trait though actually. It is really going to be interesting to see how guys measure out.

Yes, he does a good job of this. I haven't seen a ton of Okafor this year, but over these last few games I haven't seen the defensive sieve some make him out to be.

There is a lot to be said for just being a really big dude. Because he walls up and doesn't leave his feet, he is tough to move out of defensive position and it means you are always having to get a shot off over him while being jostled. He's a bit like Pekovic in this regard, whose defense I've come to appreciate this year after watching the rest of our interior bigs get pushed around like ragdolls. Just being big and strong and tough to move off the block is half the battle.

Camden wrote:Okafor's effort level right now is a bit concerning. Always hate to see a guy jogging back.

Edit: Also just air-balled a free throw. Not sure if he'll get to your 70% projection, khans.

I think one of the biggest areas of work for Okafor is conditioning.