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Re: Draft prospects - Who do we want?
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:44 am
by KiwiMatt
longstrangetrip wrote:bleedspeed177 wrote:Interesting article. Putting 2014 and 2015 classes together. It really proves how future picks are worth more then past. (Payne trade strikes again)
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markheisler/2015/04/01/2015-nba-draft-class-isnt-just-better-than-heralded-2014s-its-not-close/
This article makes no sense. How can you compare draft class' when one hasn't even been picked yet and played a second in the NBA. Not to mention some big named rookies have missed a lot of games this season with injury - Embiid, Parker, Randle.
Ranking WCS ahead of Embiid? Really?
Re: Draft prospects - Who do we want?
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:50 am
by longstrangetrip [enjin:6600564]
KiwiMatt wrote:longstrangetrip wrote:bleedspeed177 wrote:Interesting article. Putting 2014 and 2015 classes together. It really proves how future picks are worth more then past. (Payne trade strikes again)
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markheisler/2015/04/01/2015-nba-draft-class-isnt-just-better-than-heralded-2014s-its-not-close/
This article makes no sense. How can you compare draft class' when one hasn't even been picked yet and played a second in the NBA. Not to mention some big named rookies have missed a lot of games this season with injury - Embiid, Parker, Randle.
Ranking WCS ahead of Embiid? Really?
Ha, you can't compare them, kiwi...and I think that's the point bleed is making. Most of us, including pundits who do it for a living, tend to overrate college stars and underrate NBA rookies...logical, since the first group is rocking and the second is flailing. This phenomenon is present is spades in the author's rankings. He makes an absurd and faulty conclusion.
Re: Draft prospects - Who do we want?
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 11:38 am
by bleedspeed
LST, Exactly! Think about how we got Beasley for a 2nd rounder after 2 years. He was the second pick in the draft and put up sold stats and still young. If he was still in college and coming out in this draft he would be the first pick. Picks are typically worth more then the player. We should all be happy about Wiggins actually proving he is really good and being worth more then the 1st pick in this draft.
Re: Draft prospects - Who do we want?
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 1:05 pm
by Hicks123 [enjin:6700838]
longstrangetrip wrote:GymRat wrote:Just a note and not really a surprise.
Ian O'Connor
@Ian_OConnor
Most educated Knicks fan I know left town hall meeting w/ strong impression Phil Jackson would draft Karl-Anthony Towns No. 1. 1h
Thx for that. Disappointing for me because even though my draft order changes day to day, I have Towns ranked #1 now. Hopefully Carnak Cool is correct about us winning the lottery this year.
Actually LST, history would say that the NYK will NOT get the #1 pick. See history below for results of past 23 drafts:
I added team in that spot as of today.
Worst Team - won 3 times (NYK)
2nd worst - won 4 times (MN)
3rd worst - won 5 times (Phi)
4th worst - won 0 times (LAL)
5th worst - won 5 times (Orl)
6th worst - won 2 times (Kings)
7, 8, 9 & 11 have each also won 1.
Re: Draft prospects - Who do we want?
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 3:05 pm
by Q12543 [enjin:6621299]
bleedspeed177 wrote:LST, Exactly! Think about how we got Beasley for a 2nd rounder after 2 years. He was the second pick in the draft and put up sold stats and still young. If he was still in college and coming out in this draft he would be the first pick. Picks are typically worth more then the player. We should all be happy about Wiggins actually proving he is really good and being worth more then the 1st pick in this draft.
That begs the question then.....Should we deal our pick if the right opportunity comes along? What would you and others define as the right opportunity?
My outline of the "right opportunity" would be someone still within the first couple years of their rookie deal and playing terrific ball. I've mentioned Gobert before (not that Utah would trade him), but I haven't really thought about it much after that.
Re: Draft prospects - Who do we want?
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 3:17 pm
by Camden [enjin:6601484]
There isn't a right opportunity this off-season. The stars didn't align for a Harden type player to be available.
Re: Draft prospects - Who do we want?
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 3:43 pm
by TRKO [enjin:12664595]
Camden0916 wrote:There isn't a right opportunity this off-season. The stars didn't align for a Harden type player to be available.
The only one that could be available is Cousins. Everybody would love to have him as a player, but what about him as a person? I would be very tempted.
I think Towns goes first and I'm not entirely sold that Okafor goes second. If we lose out on those two I'm not sure now we improve our front court, which sucks entirely.
Re: Draft prospects - Who do we want?
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 3:49 pm
by BizarroJerry [enjin:6592520]
Don't cry if we don't get Towns or okafor. Russell or Mudiay would be just fine.
Remember we already have 9 bigs plus pek
Re: Draft prospects - Who do we want?
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 3:55 pm
by Q12543 [enjin:6621299]
Randle, Noel, Embiid....I guess those are the guys that come to mind that potentially could be "gettable".
Now if we got a top 2 or 3 pick, I doubt I would trade it for any of those guys. But after that, I'd have to consider it.
Re: Draft prospects - Who do we want?
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:14 pm
by Camden [enjin:6601484]
I'm getting closer to the idea of putting WCS ahead of Mudiay on my wishlist. Cauley-Stein is as unique of a big as there is in the NBA. Check out his lateral quicks + vertical reach and he's in a class of his own.