Ben Simmons Talk Revived

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Hopefully not the one from the guy named Ben Dover?

Are you sure it wasn't Phil McCracken?

Scoop Yeurschytt?

You guys are forgetting about Heywood Jablome.

[Coolbreeze44]

Hopefully not the one from the guy named Ben Dover?

Are you sure it wasn't Phil McCracken?

Scoop Yeurschytt?

You guys are forgetting about Heywood Jablome.

And Hugh Jass

[FNG]

Hopefully not the one from the guy named Ben Dover?

Are you sure it wasn't Phil McCracken?

Scoop Yeurschytt?

You guys are forgetting about Heywood Jablome.

And Hugh Jass

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[AbeVigodaLive]

I'm sort of with Cams logic here. Players like Dlo, FVF, OG, brogdon, Haliburton, Hield are all really good players and would help the 76ers win but none of this players put the 76ers in the top tier in the East with the Nets and the Bucks. They are going to be in that tier with the Heat (think the heat could enter that tier 1), and the Hawks. So what is the point of trading Simmons if you are in "win-now" mode if the players you are getting back don't help you become a legit championship contender.

Now you have to think about it from Blazers and Wizards prospective. If you are trading your long time star player what would you rather have. Haliburton, Hield and 4 76ers 1st. (There are reports the Kings won't trade Haliburton) FVF, OG and 4 76ers 1st. Both of those trades make the Blazers probable boarderline play in teams what sucks for them after trading their star

Or would they rather have 28 million in expiring contracts in Pat Bev and Prince. A solid player and contract in Beasley, Maxey and 8 1st round picks in from the Wolves and 76ers. That really Jumpstart the rebuild for those teams.

The 76ers would be doing what sort of the Thunder are doing without the total rebuild. Whenever a star asks out they will be able to offer 8 1st round draft imminently along with a 20 ppg scorer in Beasley and expiring contracts. I completely understand Cams logic here

I get that point of it.

My stance from the beginning is whether Joel Embiid is on board with that plan. If he is... sure. The 76ers can be as patient as they want hoping for a chance to go star-hunting.

Morey has worked with superstars before. And he's shown that he'll get very creative to get stars. He's chief among the "find stars and fill the margins" GM approach.

Even then though, I think OG Anunoby offers a lot more star-hunting clout than a guy like Malik Beasley and spare parts. Again, it's very possible some teams wouldn't even look twice at a guy like Beasley for his off-court antics.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

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[Monster]

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Trail Blazers +200
Timberwolves +275
Kings +500
Warriors +700
Spurs +800
Raptors +1000
Cavaliers +1200
Thunder +1200
Clippers +1400
Lakers +1800
Shanghai Sharks +2000

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[Lipoli390]

I'm sort of with Cams logic here. Players like Dlo, FVF, OG, brogdon, Haliburton, Hield are all really good players and would help the 76ers win but none of this players put the 76ers in the top tier in the East with the Nets and the Bucks. They are going to be in that tier with the Heat (think the heat could enter that tier 1), and the Hawks. So what is the point of trading Simmons if you are in "win-now" mode if the players you are getting back don't help you become a legit championship contender.

Now you have to think about it from Blazers and Wizards prospective. If you are trading your long time star player what would you rather have. Haliburton, Hield and 4 76ers 1st. (There are reports the Kings won't trade Haliburton) FVF, OG and 4 76ers 1st. Both of those trades make the Blazers probable boarderline play in teams what sucks for them after trading their star

Or would they rather have 28 million in expiring contracts in Pat Bev and Prince. A solid player and contract in Beasley, Maxey and 8 1st round picks in from the Wolves and 76ers. That really Jumpstart the rebuild for those teams.

The 76ers would be doing what sort of the Thunder are doing without the total rebuild. Whenever a star asks out they will be able to offer 8 1st round draft imminently along with a 20 ppg scorer in Beasley and expiring contracts. I completely understand Cams logic here

Kek - Would the Sixers be a better team, at least in the playoffs, with VanVleet and Anunoby rather than Simmons? Simmons is certainly better than either one, but VanVleet is arguably a better fit than Simmons with Embiid. Then there's the additive value of Anunoby. If Morey believes his team would be worse with those two or any of the player packages you mentioned, then he should keep Simmons. Morey knows that Simmons isn't going to sit out an entire season. And he won't dog it because he's a highly competitive athlete with pride.

Nevertheless, if Morey believes he absolutely has to move Simmons by the beginning of the season, then he'll have to take the best package he can get. My view is that the best package would be the one that gives the Sixers the best chance to contend this upcoming season - next best package to retaining Simmons. I just don't see Morey doing a deal now to acquire future draft picks and a couple role players based on the hope that teams who won't trade the stars he wants in exchange for Simmons will suddenly choose to trade those stars in exchange for a bunch of draft picks and a couple role players. First, Morey's window of opportunity with the Embiid is now and it's risky to give up on this next season in the hope you can come back better the following season. Second, the possibility of getting Beal, Lillard or Fox for future picks a year from now is highly speculative. I get that Morey might do that. But it sure seems unlikely to me.

If Morey feels compelled to trade Simmons by the start of the season and Ben's market value remains static, then I see Morey upping the ante in an effort to get Beal, Lillard or Fox by including future Philly picks and/or players like Thybulle, Maxey, Curry and/or Korkmaz. There's probably a Simmons package from Philly that would persuade the Kings to deal Fox and there might be a package that would pry Lillard away from Portland. In the alternative, perhaps Portland would up the ante on a deal build around McCollum, which might include Covington among others. I could see Morey ultimately accepting a package from Minnesota built around DLO, but without KAT, Ant, Beasley or McDaniels. The Wolves would probably have to include a future unprotected first rounder, a couple 2nd-round picks and Naz Reid or Vando in the deal. But Beasley and Prince plus 3 or 4 future first-round picks? I see the overall value of that sort of package from a generic standpoint. But I don't see that as the type of value Morey wants or needs.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

There's a zero-percent chance that Ben Simmons plays another game for the Sixers. I don't understand why the idea that he'll cave and come back to the team exists on this board. No pundit has hinted at that as a possibility at this point. This is the same team that piled on him after their playoff series loss and the same team Simmons said he wants to leave at all costs. If anything, I could see Simmons technically still on Philadelphia's roster as the season starts, but not actually reporting. Either way, he is not suiting up to play a game for the Sixers.

[Lipoli390]

There's a zero-percent chance that Ben Simmons plays another game for the Sixers. I don't understand why the idea that he'll cave and come back to the team exists on this board. No pundit has hinted at that as a possibility at this point. This is the same team that piled on him after their playoff series loss and the same team Simmons said he wants to leave at all costs. If anything, I could see Simmons technically still on Philadelphia's roster as the season starts, but not actually reporting. Either way, he is not suiting up to play a game for the Sixers.

Cam - I think you're probably right. My only point was that Morey should keep Simmons if he's unwilling to accept a package without any players as talented as Simmons - i.e., package without Beal, Lillard or Fox. I say that because he's not going to get any of those players who have comparable talent. But I think the reality of the situation is such that Morey will probably have to deal Simmons before the season starts. So you're right about that.

Morey could end up settling for a deal built around future picks and role players, in which case I think the Wolves will end up with Simmons. He could also settle for a deal built around high-level talent that's less than Simmons, but still very good - e.g., VanVleet + Anunoby, McCollum + Covington... Brogdon + ??; DLO + ??. Or he could substantially enhance his outgoing package by combining Simmons with picks and other players like Thybulle, Maxey and/or Curry in an effort to pry away a Beal, Lillard or Fox. Maybe Morey includes Harris. I don't think Beal is gettable for any price right now. But I have a gut feeling that Lillard or Fox could be had for Simmons with certain additional assets attached to him. Just a guess.

In any event, it's unlikely Simmons starts the season in Philly. Now we just sit back and watch. We might all be surprised by some team swooping in with a package for Simmons we haven't heard or thought about.

[Porckchop]

Ben Simmons confidence is in shambles. How much do you give up for a guy that might be a reclamation project. Is this the organization capable of turning things around for him? Do we have players that can build him up?