lipoli390 wrote:32 points, 2 steals and a block from Josh Richardson tonight. Do the Heat really want to give up the 25-year old Richardson along with the young talent Adebayo and their 2019 first round pick for Jimmy Butler? At some point, and maybe that point has been reached, Pat Riley will tell Thibodeau to keep Jimmy and shove him up his ass.
Miami lost tonight in spite of Richardson's 32 points. Dragic was out again with a sore foot. Maybe Riley will simply give up on this season and hope for a lottery pick, in which case, he'll have no interest in Butler. The window for a deal with the Heat won't stay open forever.
Miami is losing, si riley could very well decide to tank the season. However, everyone in that division is losing. Riley can steal that division with a single butler trade because everyone else is so bad.
Yep. You have to hope Riley is thinking that way. It looks like Toronto, Boston, the Sixers and Milwaukee will be vying for the top 3 spots in the East with the odd team out ending up 4th. So it's hard to see Miami's path to a top 4 finish, even with Butler, unless Embiid has an extended injury or Milwaukee's early success turns out to be a mirage. The time to strike a deal with Miami may have passed as reality sets in for Pat. I don't see Pat Riley trading for Butler if it would only mean the difference between 8th place and 5th. Instead, I see him tanking for a lottery pick and then building around Richardson, Adebayo and Winslow. I could see him dealing Dragic at the trade deadline to shed salary and get picks.
That's not how Riley traditionally operates and he has no tools to actually build around Richardson, Winslow and Bam. That team is capped out for several years because of several bad deals he's made. Sure a 5th seed doesn't mean much this year, but this is his chance at a top 15 player for the long haul that he otherwise doesn't have. It's not a coincidence a Houston offer immediately got Miami back on the table. They are setup for purgatory without getting this deal done.
crazy-canuck wrote:Whitesside with 18 pts 14 rebs 8 blks and 2 asts at
HALFTIME!
The dude is going to get the hardest triple double to get.. I was hoping we could get him in the MIA trade. but the way he has been playing this year i don't see it happening anymore.
crazy-canuck wrote:Whitesside with 18 pts 14 rebs 8 blks and 2 asts at
HALFTIME!
The dude is going to get the hardest triple double to get.. I was hoping we could get him in the MIA trade. but the way he has been playing this year i don't see it happening anymore.
If Miami wants to win now, then keeping Whiteside makes the most sense to them. So maybe they're willing to part with Bam. And they do have terrific wing depth that should give them some comfort parting with Richardson in a Butler deal. The Heat obviously have a lot of confidence in in Winslow as evidenced by the contract extension they just gave him. McGruder has been playing really well this season. Wayne Ellington is now healthy and had a great game tonight. Dwayne Wade still has some game left in this his last season.
I think we're set up well to close a deal with Butler and Gorgui going to Miami (they can have Patton too) in exchange for Richardson, Bam, Troy Johnson and Miami's 2019 pick. Miami would have a really good team by Eastern Conference standards. They'd have a heck of a starting lineup with Dragic, Butler, Winslow, Olynyk and Whiteside. And they'd have a darn good bench with McGruder, Ellington, Wade, Johnson and Gorgui. The deal I'm suggesting strikes me as a fair one - a win/win for both teams.
Both players have almost identical amount of free throw and two point field goal attempts per 36 minutes. First one takes 1.5 more three pointers per game. Are these players that much different?
1st player is Andrew Wiggins this year and 2nd one is Josh Richardson.
Both players have almost identical amount of free throw and two point field goal attempts per 36 minutes. First one takes 1.5 more three pointers per game. Are these players that much different?
1st player is Andrew Wiggins this year and 2nd one is Josh Richardson.
Interesting comparison, mikkeman, but I don't think it makes sense to compare the numbers of 2 players who are used totally differently. Josh has been given the keys to their offense, and is always the 1st option on the court...when teammates look for you, you're always going to get easier opportunities. Wig is sometimes the 4th option on the court, and has to find his own opportunities. I have no doubt that Wig would be a much more efficient scorer than Josh if their situations were reversed.
Both players have almost identical amount of free throw and two point field goal attempts per 36 minutes. First one takes 1.5 more three pointers per game. Are these players that much different?
1st player is Andrew Wiggins this year and 2nd one is Josh Richardson.
Interesting comparison, mikkeman, but I don't think it makes sense to compare the numbers of 2 players who are used totally differently. Josh has been given the keys to their offense, and is always the 1st option on the court...when teammates look for you, you're always going to get easier opportunities. Wig is sometimes the 4th option on the court, and has to find his own opportunities. I have no doubt that Wig would be a much more efficient scorer than Josh if their situations were reversed.
Based on what? We've actually, no-shit, seen both Wiggins and Richardson in different roles. We've seen Wiggins be a focal point in the offense. Hell, he took a comparable amount of shot attempts per game last year as Richardson is taking this year. And we've seen the sidekick, 3/D role-playing Richardson -- I'd argue that this is the best version of Richardson, by the way. It's actually happened. So, I'm very critical of your "no doubt" comment concerning these two players.
Either way you slice the cake, Richardson is the better player, however, neither are destined to be stars in the NBA. And I think the OP's comparison illustrated that this year these two players are playing at a similar level except one is getting mind-boggling star-level hype and the other is essentially the worst contract in basketball.
