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Re: Revisiting the Kevin Love trade one year later
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 4:48 pm
by khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]
thedoper wrote:AbeVigodaLive wrote:thedoper wrote:Isn't deciding who won the trade easy? Just ask how many GM's would make the same trade the Cavs did today. I am guessing not that many.
That seems SLIGHTLY speculative.
Trades don't happen in a vacuum. The Cavs lured James back and he wanted to win now... and wanted Love. Love gave the Cavs the best chance to win last season (compared to Wiggins). I'd expect that to continue this season. After that? Who knows... we might have a lockout season. A lot can change.
That old saying "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" comes to mind. When you have a chance at a title NOW... you gotta go for it. Not saying that makes the Cavs winners of this trade, only that both teams got what they wanted.
[Note: As for those other GMs, I'm guessing most of them would have done whatever James told them to do if it meant he was coming to their team.]
It is speculative, but based on the general feedback of analysts and media on the value of both players after a year. At the time the Cavs got what they wanted. But now after a year I highly doubt they would make the same deal based on the current value of the assets. Wiggins is hardly in the bush anymore, he is an emergent talent. Love is on the decline. An aging, injury prone bird with declining performance is not worth a young, talented, healthy bird on the upswing in my mind. ln a completely speculative sense, I think the majority of analysts are on this side of the Love v Wiggins.
Love is 26, not 32. As a stretch 4 his effectiveness also is more likely to have staying power like Dirk because his game doesn't rely on athleticism, but pure basketball skill. So their window is likely 8 to 10 years. Lebron is not playing in the league 10 years from now. Calling Love aging with declining performance at 26 is a baffling statement at best. His usage dropped 7% and he still was almost a 20/10 guy while being banged up most of last year. Love is entering his prime, not leaving it. Wiggins is years away from his prime. Cleveland maximized it's window with Lebron by getting Love.
Re: Revisiting the Kevin Love trade one year later
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 4:58 pm
by khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]
CoolBreeze44 wrote:People seem to be forgetting it wasn't a smooth ride for Love in Cleveland last year. Not playing in some 4th quarters, not completely fitting in with teammates, trouble assimilating to a 3rd wheel role. Let's not act like they got everything they wanted out of him.
It was year 1. He saw a 7% usage rate decline and wasn't played at all like he was here in MN. There's an adjustment period to that significant of a change. It wasn't smooth in Miami either. They took until year 2 to figure it out. You could argue this Cleveland team had it figured out from their mid-season moves on when they only lost 3 games. I don't recall hearing too many problems or benching's with Love during that time period, just during the adjustment period.
Re: Revisiting the Kevin Love trade one year later
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 5:03 pm
by Coolbreeze44
khans2k5 wrote:CoolBreeze44 wrote:People seem to be forgetting it wasn't a smooth ride for Love in Cleveland last year. Not playing in some 4th quarters, not completely fitting in with teammates, trouble assimilating to a 3rd wheel role. Let's not act like they got everything they wanted out of him.
It was year 1. He saw a 7% usage rate decline and wasn't played at all like he was here in MN. There's an adjustment period to that significant of a change. It wasn't smooth in Miami either. They took until year 2 to figure it out. You could argue this Cleveland team had it figured out from their mid-season moves on when they only lost 3 games. I don't recall hearing too many problems or benching's with Love during that time period, just during the adjustment period.
Yes, but his aloofness irritated Lebron. That was pretty well played out on the talk shows I frequent. It definitely wasn't all roses and rainbows there.
Re: Revisiting the Kevin Love trade one year later
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 5:21 pm
by Camden [enjin:6601484]
CoolBreeze44 wrote:khans2k5 wrote:CoolBreeze44 wrote:People seem to be forgetting it wasn't a smooth ride for Love in Cleveland last year. Not playing in some 4th quarters, not completely fitting in with teammates, trouble assimilating to a 3rd wheel role. Let's not act like they got everything they wanted out of him.
It was year 1. He saw a 7% usage rate decline and wasn't played at all like he was here in MN. There's an adjustment period to that significant of a change. It wasn't smooth in Miami either. They took until year 2 to figure it out. You could argue this Cleveland team had it figured out from their mid-season moves on when they only lost 3 games. I don't recall hearing too many problems or benching's with Love during that time period, just during the adjustment period.
Yes, but his aloofness irritated Lebron. That was pretty well played out on the talk shows I frequent. It definitely wasn't all roses and rainbows there.
And yet LeBron wanted Love back. If LeBron really was irritated with Love, it sure as hell didn't change his view of him as a player.
PS: The Love/LeBron locker room stories were media-driven, as they did the same thing during the Miami era. Writers are always looking to bring down the title favorites in some fashion. I wouldn't, and haven't, bought into Love being a locker room cancer.
Re: Revisiting the Kevin Love trade one year later
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 7:13 pm
by longstrangetrip [enjin:6600564]
Camden wrote:CoolBreeze44 wrote:khans2k5 wrote:CoolBreeze44 wrote:People seem to be forgetting it wasn't a smooth ride for Love in Cleveland last year. Not playing in some 4th quarters, not completely fitting in with teammates, trouble assimilating to a 3rd wheel role. Let's not act like they got everything they wanted out of him.
It was year 1. He saw a 7% usage rate decline and wasn't played at all like he was here in MN. There's an adjustment period to that significant of a change. It wasn't smooth in Miami either. They took until year 2 to figure it out. You could argue this Cleveland team had it figured out from their mid-season moves on when they only lost 3 games. I don't recall hearing too many problems or benching's with Love during that time period, just during the adjustment period.
Yes, but his aloofness irritated Lebron. That was pretty well played out on the talk shows I frequent. It definitely wasn't all roses and rainbows there.
And yet LeBron wanted Love back. If LeBron really was irritated with Love, it sure as hell didn't change his view of him as a player.
PS: The Love/LeBron locker room stories were media-driven, as they did the same thing during the Miami era. Writers are always looking to bring down the title favorites in some fashion. I wouldn't, and haven't, bought into Love being a locker room cancer.
That damn media...always stirring things up to make it look like James and Love had some issues!
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/2/9/8004231/lebron-james-kevin-love-twitter-fit-in
Re: Revisiting the Kevin Love trade one year later
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:29 pm
by Coolbreeze44
longstrangetrip wrote:Camden wrote:CoolBreeze44 wrote:khans2k5 wrote:CoolBreeze44 wrote:People seem to be forgetting it wasn't a smooth ride for Love in Cleveland last year. Not playing in some 4th quarters, not completely fitting in with teammates, trouble assimilating to a 3rd wheel role. Let's not act like they got everything they wanted out of him.
It was year 1. He saw a 7% usage rate decline and wasn't played at all like he was here in MN. There's an adjustment period to that significant of a change. It wasn't smooth in Miami either. They took until year 2 to figure it out. You could argue this Cleveland team had it figured out from their mid-season moves on when they only lost 3 games. I don't recall hearing too many problems or benching's with Love during that time period, just during the adjustment period.
Yes, but his aloofness irritated Lebron. That was pretty well played out on the talk shows I frequent. It definitely wasn't all roses and rainbows there.
And yet LeBron wanted Love back. If LeBron really was irritated with Love, it sure as hell didn't change his view of him as a player.
PS: The Love/LeBron locker room stories were media-driven, as they did the same thing during the Miami era. Writers are always looking to bring down the title favorites in some fashion. I wouldn't, and haven't, bought into Love being a locker room cancer.
That damn media...always stirring things up to make it look like James and Love had some issues!
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/2/9/8004231/lebron-james-kevin-love-twitter-fit-in
Just can't trust those guys can you LST! They're always making things up.
Re: Revisiting the Kevin Love trade one year later
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:10 pm
by Camden [enjin:6601484]
Did you even read the link you posted...
Re: Revisiting the Kevin Love trade one year later
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:10 am
by alexftbl8181 [enjin:6648741]
longstrangetrip wrote:Camden wrote:CoolBreeze44 wrote:khans2k5 wrote:CoolBreeze44 wrote:People seem to be forgetting it wasn't a smooth ride for Love in Cleveland last year. Not playing in some 4th quarters, not completely fitting in with teammates, trouble assimilating to a 3rd wheel role. Let's not act like they got everything they wanted out of him.
It was year 1. He saw a 7% usage rate decline and wasn't played at all like he was here in MN. There's an adjustment period to that significant of a change. It wasn't smooth in Miami either. They took until year 2 to figure it out. You could argue this Cleveland team had it figured out from their mid-season moves on when they only lost 3 games. I don't recall hearing too many problems or benching's with Love during that time period, just during the adjustment period.
Yes, but his aloofness irritated Lebron. That was pretty well played out on the talk shows I frequent. It definitely wasn't all roses and rainbows there.
And yet LeBron wanted Love back. If LeBron really was irritated with Love, it sure as hell didn't change his view of him as a player.
PS: The Love/LeBron locker room stories were media-driven, as they did the same thing during the Miami era. Writers are always looking to bring down the title favorites in some fashion. I wouldn't, and haven't, bought into Love being a locker room cancer.
That damn media...always stirring things up to make it look like James and Love had some issues!
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/2/9/8004231/lebron-james-kevin-love-twitter-fit-in
OH MY GOD! Lebron told Love to fit in and not fit out? Jeez, that's the worst thing I've ever herd anybody say about anyone. Why not of just called her mother a whore?
Come on LST, your better then that
Re: Revisiting the Kevin Love trade one year later
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:58 am
by bleedspeed
Camden wrote:
And yet LeBron wanted Love back. If LeBron really was irritated with Love, it sure as hell didn't change his view of him as a player.
PS: The Love/LeBron locker room stories were media-driven, as they did the same thing during the Miami era. Writers are always looking to bring down the title favorites in some fashion. I wouldn't, and haven't, bought into Love being a locker room cancer.
Where there is smoke there is fire. Love just doesn't seem like the kind of guy players want to play with. Even when he was here everyone talked about playing with Ricky. Love is a good player. I don't think the Cavs had any equal or close options to replace him or they would have. It seems like the only Love has had a good relationship on and off the court is Westbrook.
Re: Revisiting the Kevin Love trade one year later
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 9:13 am
by alexftbl8181 [enjin:6648741]
bleedspeed177 wrote:Camden wrote:
And yet LeBron wanted Love back. If LeBron really was irritated with Love, it sure as hell didn't change his view of him as a player.
PS: The Love/LeBron locker room stories were media-driven, as they did the same thing during the Miami era. Writers are always looking to bring down the title favorites in some fashion. I wouldn't, and haven't, bought into Love being a locker room cancer.
Where there is smoke there is fire. Love just doesn't seem like the kind of guy players want to play with. Even when he was here everyone talked about playing with Ricky. Love is a good player. I don't think the Cavs had any equal or close options to replace him or they would have. It seems like the only Love has had a good relationship on and off the court is Westbrook.
They wouldn't of resigned him to a MAX offer if there was fire. My god why are we still hanging onto this? You just want it to be true, even though it already turned out to be an overreaction. Gotta let it go