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monsterpile wrote:How does Wiseman compare as a prospect to DeAndre Ayton coming out of college?
Camden wrote:Just a few thoughts, kek.
1. The difference between the opposition running a pick-and-roll with Towns at the four versus him at the five is mainly the way he'd be coached to defend it -- theoretically -- and who would be capable of erasing potential mistakes at the rim. I would hope that Towns would be coached to switch everything instead of trying to play drop coverage. When engaged, he can defend on the perimeter. Switching should be what he's instructed to do, in my opinion. His understanding of positioning and when to stunt/recover -- cat and mouse game -- is where I view his weaknesses now in defending that action. And if he blows the coverage, he'd have a potential eraser in Wiseman rotating over. Right now, Towns has Hernangomez as the last line of defense if he gets beat. That's a big difference.
2. I understand gameplanning for what opponents will do to attack you, but the Wolves need to think about how they can create their own mismatches. Having a dual-unicorn frontcourt, if you will, at least gives them the clear advantage in size and length. That translates into rebounds and should result in more forced turnovers -- meaning more possessions. And if the Clippers want to put Paul George on Towns or Wiseman -- or any other small ball lineup player -- then I say go for it. Towns has traditionally destroyed Draymond Green in their matchups. George wouldn't stand much of a chance.
3. We need to stop discussing Wiseman as a non-shooter. He can shoot it. He's not quite reliable from NBA three-point range, but he can hit 18-20 feet out and has a natural stroke with solid mechanics. His free throws stroke also shows potential with a 70% conversion in his three college games -- 6-7 FT, 9-14 FT, and 4-6 FT. Will he be another Towns? Obviously, no, but he could certainly grow into a Myles Turner type shooter.
lipoli390 wrote:Camden wrote:Just a few thoughts, kek.
1. The difference between the opposition running a pick-and-roll with Towns at the four versus him at the five is mainly the way he'd be coached to defend it -- theoretically -- and who would be capable of erasing potential mistakes at the rim. I would hope that Towns would be coached to switch everything instead of trying to play drop coverage. When engaged, he can defend on the perimeter. Switching should be what he's instructed to do, in my opinion. His understanding of positioning and when to stunt/recover -- cat and mouse game -- is where I view his weaknesses now in defending that action. And if he blows the coverage, he'd have a potential eraser in Wiseman rotating over. Right now, Towns has Hernangomez as the last line of defense if he gets beat. That's a big difference.
2. I understand gameplanning for what opponents will do to attack you, but the Wolves need to think about how they can create their own mismatches. Having a dual-unicorn frontcourt, if you will, at least gives them the clear advantage in size and length. That translates into rebounds and should result in more forced turnovers -- meaning more possessions. And if the Clippers want to put Paul George on Towns or Wiseman -- or any other small ball lineup player -- then I say go for it. Towns has traditionally destroyed Draymond Green in their matchups. George wouldn't stand much of a chance.
3. We need to stop discussing Wiseman as a non-shooter. He can shoot it. He's not quite reliable from NBA three-point range, but he can hit 18-20 feet out and has a natural stroke with solid mechanics. His free throws stroke also shows potential with a 70% conversion in his three college games -- 6-7 FT, 9-14 FT, and 4-6 FT. Will he be another Towns? Obviously, no, but he could certainly grow into a Myles Turner type shooter.
I think your take on KAT is spot on. I agree completely with your observation that, when engaged, KAT can defense on the perimeter. I also agree that KAT's main issue on defense and how the team would benefit from an eraser type defensive big behind KAT. Wiseman definitely has the physical tools to become that eraser behind KAT and that he and KAT could be a matchup nightmare for opposing teams. I'm just not convinced that Wiseman has the basketball IQ or the competitive drive/passion to play up to his physical potential. I don't have much to go on, but I've read questions about his motor and passion for the game. That alarms me. But otherwise the case for the Wolves to take Wiseman is a strong one.
BizarroJerry wrote:Was watching The Last Dance again and it would be really nice to have a Dennis Rodman type next to Kat and D Russel.
monsterpile wrote:
Something I'm kicking around in my mind is that Towns is more about skill than he is instinct. I first thought of that as a defender Because many smart basketball folks suggest his instincts in certain defense have been shown to not up to par. Then I started thinking about some of his offensive game too in some cases. Poor screener especially for the threat he is all over the floor. I'm certainly not suggesting Towns doesn't have basketball instincts (For example his post game instincts are more than just skill) but I'm just kicking around the idea In my head that his individual skill is far superior to that aspect of his game which is part of why he comes up lacking to some extent despite being a ridiculous and productive talent.
mrhockey89 wrote:monsterpile wrote:
Something I'm kicking around in my mind is that Towns is more about skill than he is instinct. I first thought of that as a defender Because many smart basketball folks suggest his instincts in certain defense have been shown to not up to par. Then I started thinking about some of his offensive game too in some cases. Poor screener especially for the threat he is all over the floor. I'm certainly not suggesting Towns doesn't have basketball instincts (For example his post game instincts are more than just skill) but I'm just kicking around the idea In my head that his individual skill is far superior to that aspect of his game which is part of why he comes up lacking to some extent despite being a ridiculous and productive talent.
monster, you stole my thunder a bit with your take on Towns primary weakness. His skill level is through the roof, he's big enough that he should be able to handle most physical lineups, and he's mobile enough that although some small ball lineups could give him trouble potentially that it isn't his problem. It's not a lack of effort in my opinion either (even though at times that seems to be lacking on a certain side of the floor).
Towns can block a shot, Towns can box out and rebound a basketball, Towns at least from the eye test isn't a terrible post defender. That said, he gets caught in pick'n'roll situations and is virtually always a step late on his rotation and/or decision making. He hesitates a lot, doesn't fully close out, etc. I'm not 100% certain if this is just slow recognition skills or if he just doesn't have the right 'feel' for how to defend the play. I get nervous absolutely every time he's involved in a screen defensively, because I know it'll end up in an open shot or an open drive, or even an open cutter pass almost all the time.
PorkChop wrote:BizarroJerry wrote:Was watching The Last Dance again and it would be really nice to have a Dennis Rodman type next to Kat and D Russel.
Has there been or will there ever be another player thats close to Rodman. Every team would covet that. Only player close in my mind was Ben Wallace and I don't think he was on par with Rodman.