Trade deadline discussion thread

[60WinTim]

I'm guessing TC is open to trading Julius but has his price set and that includes picks for certain packages only. I also believe he will trade NAW if there isn't a plan to resign him. I think a key consideration still is that Julius can be traded this summer as an expiring contract, which opens the door to keeping NAW if he wants. This will give everyone the rest of the season and the playoffs to evaluate.

But as TC showed with the KAT trade, he will make the move he is waiting for whenever it is available.

Expiring contracts (with or without options) CANNOT be traded after the season except in a sign-and-trade, which isn’t available to the Wolves because they’re over the 2nd apron. In other words, if the Wolves are going to trade Randle before next season it will have to happen by 3:00 p.m. Eastern on February 6. Assuming Randle opts in as I’m almost sure he will, the Wolves won’t be able to trade him until at least Dec. 15.

The Wolves are in essentially the same position with NAW. If they don’t trade him by the Feb. 6 trade deadline, they would have to re-sign him as a free agent, in which case Wolves would clearly stay over the 2nd apron if Randle opts in and we keep Naz, or let him walk as a free agent with nothing in return. As I see it, trading NAW by the deadline is imperative if we don’t trade Randle. NAW likely has significant trade value that would be wasted if he isn’t traded by Feb. 6.

Lip I think you are wrong about Randle.

Via Google: “If a player "opts in" on their contract, meaning they choose to exercise their player option and remain with the team for another season, then they can be traded immediately after they opt in, with no additional waiting period“

Randle is not signing a new contract, he is exercising his option, no new contract is being made. With naw we can’t sign and trade (a new contract of being made) because we are a second apron team.

Actually, kek, the Wolves will not be a second apron team after July 1st. They won't even be a 1st apron team! Between the 10% increase in the salary cap and related thresholds, Randle's 3 mil declining contract, and Rudy's 9 mil pay cut from signing an extension, the Wolves salaries situation will be much improved.

[Monster]

Lip I think you are wrong about Randle.

Via Google: “If a player "opts in" on their contract, meaning they choose to exercise their player option and remain with the team for another season, then they can be traded immediately after they opt in, with no additional waiting period“

Randle is not signing a new contract, he is exercising his option, no new contract is being made. With naw we can’t sign and trade (a new contract of being made) because we are a second apron team.

This is correct Kek. Randle's option isnt a new contract and is immediately tradeable as soon as it's exercised.

To further the point that Randle opting in is not a sign and trade. Keita Baits Diop opted in to his Hornets deal this off-season. You have 48 hours to conduct a sign and trade. However Baits-Diop was traded months later (In the Kat trade) and they did not need to wait until Dec 15th to trade him after a "sign and trade" did not happen within 48 hours. Making Randle trading Randle possible after he opts into his contract.

Can someone provide the info of where is says a 2nd apron team can't do a sign and trade? I was thinking about this the other day because the Wolves did a sign and trade this season sending Anderson to GS. I looked at the CBA and some articles and it seems like the articles suggest that the Wolves can't receive a player back in a sign and trade but a sign and trade is still an option. I didn't see anything in the actual CBA about that but I'll go back and review it when I have more time. I think a sign and trade might still be in play for NAW and if so that may changes things especially if a team or 2 ends up with a trade exception this trade deadline that they can use.

https://nbpa.com/cba/

[Phenom]

I found a yahoo article that said teams in the 2nd apron can't sign and trade as a means to acquire a different player.

This makes sense as the idea is to make it hard to add money to payroll.

When the Wolves traded Slo Mo they technically got a trade exception but the team is not allowed to use it.

I do wonder if they could use it in the summer if the team is under the apron or if it immediately voided.

[kekgeek]

This is correct Kek. Randle's option isnt a new contract and is immediately tradeable as soon as it's exercised.

To further the point that Randle opting in is not a sign and trade. Keita Baits Diop opted in to his Hornets deal this off-season. You have 48 hours to conduct a sign and trade. However Baits-Diop was traded months later (In the Kat trade) and they did not need to wait until Dec 15th to trade him after a "sign and trade" did not happen within 48 hours. Making Randle trading Randle possible after he opts into his contract.

Can someone provide the info of where is says a 2nd apron team can't do a sign and trade? I was thinking about this the other day because the Wolves did a sign and trade this season sending Anderson to GS. I looked at the CBA and some articles and it seems like the articles suggest that the Wolves can't receive a player back in a sign and trade but a sign and trade is still an option. I didn't see anything in the actual CBA about that but I'll go back and review it when I have more time. I think a sign and trade might still be in play for NAW and if so that may changes things especially if a team or 2 ends up with a trade exception this trade deadline that they can use.

https://nbpa.com/cba/

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/101 ... son%20span


According to this article you can sign and trade your own players but can’t acquire players back in the trade.


Phenom on the post above is also correct we can’t use a trade exception that is was created in that trade but we did get a 2031 2nd round swap with the warriors

[kekgeek]

Expiring contracts (with or without options) CANNOT be traded after the season except in a sign-and-trade, which isn’t available to the Wolves because they’re over the 2nd apron. In other words, if the Wolves are going to trade Randle before next season it will have to happen by 3:00 p.m. Eastern on February 6. Assuming Randle opts in as I’m almost sure he will, the Wolves won’t be able to trade him until at least Dec. 15.

The Wolves are in essentially the same position with NAW. If they don’t trade him by the Feb. 6 trade deadline, they would have to re-sign him as a free agent, in which case Wolves would clearly stay over the 2nd apron if Randle opts in and we keep Naz, or let him walk as a free agent with nothing in return. As I see it, trading NAW by the deadline is imperative if we don’t trade Randle. NAW likely has significant trade value that would be wasted if he isn’t traded by Feb. 6.

Lip I think you are wrong about Randle.

Via Google: “If a player "opts in" on their contract, meaning they choose to exercise their player option and remain with the team for another season, then they can be traded immediately after they opt in, with no additional waiting period“

Randle is not signing a new contract, he is exercising his option, no new contract is being made. With naw we can’t sign and trade (a new contract of being made) because we are a second apron team.

Actually, kek, the Wolves will not be a second apron team after July 1st. They won't even be a 1st apron team! Between the 10% increase in the salary cap and related thresholds, Randle's 3 mil declining contract, and Rudy's 9 mil pay cut from signing an extension, the Wolves salaries situation will be much improved.

Tim Correct me if I am wrong but wouldn't Naw cap hold put the wolves in the second apron until he signs elsewhere or we renounce his rights. I am not as confident on this one as I am in other cap related items

[Monster]

Lip I think you are wrong about Randle.

Via Google: “If a player "opts in" on their contract, meaning they choose to exercise their player option and remain with the team for another season, then they can be traded immediately after they opt in, with no additional waiting period“

Randle is not signing a new contract, he is exercising his option, no new contract is being made. With naw we can’t sign and trade (a new contract of being made) because we are a second apron team.

Actually, kek, the Wolves will not be a second apron team after July 1st. They won't even be a 1st apron team! Between the 10% increase in the salary cap and related thresholds, Randle's 3 mil declining contract, and Rudy's 9 mil pay cut from signing an extension, the Wolves salaries situation will be much improved.

Tim Correct me if I am wrong but wouldn't Naw cap hold put the wolves in the second apron until he signs elsewhere or we renounce his rights. I am not as confident on this one as I am in other cap related items

I believe NAW's cap hold would count but it will likely be less than he will sign for since the cap hold will be based off his current salary. Sportrac has his cap hold at just over 8 million.

[60WinTim]

Lip I think you are wrong about Randle.

Via Google: “If a player "opts in" on their contract, meaning they choose to exercise their player option and remain with the team for another season, then they can be traded immediately after they opt in, with no additional waiting period“

Randle is not signing a new contract, he is exercising his option, no new contract is being made. With naw we can’t sign and trade (a new contract of being made) because we are a second apron team.

Actually, kek, the Wolves will not be a second apron team after July 1st. They won't even be a 1st apron team! Between the 10% increase in the salary cap and related thresholds, Randle's 3 mil declining contract, and Rudy's 9 mil pay cut from signing an extension, the Wolves salaries situation will be much improved.

Tim Correct me if I am wrong but wouldn't Naw cap hold put the wolves in the second apron until he signs elsewhere or we renounce his rights. I am not as confident on this one as I am in other cap related items

I don't think so. There are actually a bunch of cap holds out there right now, including Evan Turner and Greg Monroe. A qualifying offer would be included, but we don't have any of those. But if NAW's cap hold was included, it is only 8 mil, and I show the Wolves under the 2nd apron by 17 mil...

[60WinTim]

My Warriors trade is back on the table! From Kevin O'Conner:

The Warriors are one of several teams back in the mix for Jimmy Butler now that the Heat have lowered their asking price.

[60WinTim]

I've always thought Golden State was most likely landing spot for Butler, and that Randle would be the most appealing piece for Miami. And now this from Hoopshype...

The Jimmy Butler saga is the biggest trade story at the moment ahead of the trade deadline. According to reports, the Suns and/or Heat have talked to several teams about a three, four, or five-team deal involving Butler. Keep an eye on Minnesota in a Butler deal. In the offseason, the Heat were one of the teams that expressed interest in trading for Julius Randle, per SNY sources. Randle has remained on the Heat’s radar during the Butler saga, sources say. I don’t know if there are any active trade talks between Minnesota and Miami. But the two teams have been in touch on Butler trades.

[Phenom]

I've always thought Golden State was most likely landing spot for Butler, and that Randle would be the most appealing piece for Miami. And now this from Hoopshype...

The Jimmy Butler saga is the biggest trade story at the moment ahead of the trade deadline. According to reports, the Suns and/or Heat have talked to several teams about a three, four, or five-team deal involving Butler. Keep an eye on Minnesota in a Butler deal. In the offseason, the Heat were one of the teams that expressed interest in trading for Julius Randle, per SNY sources. Randle has remained on the Heat’s radar during the Butler saga, sources say. I don’t know if there are any active trade talks between Minnesota and Miami. But the two teams have been in touch on Butler trades.

Jimmy can't be traded to Minnesota unless they do some serious cap gymnastics to get under the 2nd apron in the process. I'm not surprised that the teams have been in contact though, as I believed Julius would be someone that Miami is interested in. I'm interested in what TC is targeting.