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monsterpile wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:Lip, I'm shocked you wouldn't give up DLO and Beasley for Simmons. To me it would be an absolute yes. Offense will still revolve around KAT and Ant, no problem there. And Simmons unlike DLO, makes everyone better who plays with him. Please, PLEASE take DLO and Beasley for Simmons. We win big.

Cool what else would you be willing to give up in addition to Beasley and Russell?

I'd give up Bolmaro and a #1 pick in addition to those two guys.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:Lip, I'm shocked you wouldn't give up DLO and Beasley for Simmons. To me it would be an absolute yes. Offense will still revolve around KAT and Ant, no problem there. And Simmons unlike DLO, makes everyone better who plays with him. Please, PLEASE take DLO and Beasley for Simmons. We win big.

Cool what else would you be willing to give up in addition to Beasley and Russell?

I'd give up Bolmaro and a #1 pick in addition to those two guys.

Thanks for the reply. I'm personally not opposed to including those 2 guys although I actually value both of them. One issue with trading Russell and Beasley together is salary. I don't see guys to match salary that the Sixer would want to give up to get Beasley so that's probably another reason for a 3rd team. Would you be willing to send another 1st rounder to the Sixers instead of Beasley?

monsterpile wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:Lip, I'm shocked you wouldn't give up DLO and Beasley for Simmons. To me it would be an absolute yes. Offense will still revolve around KAT and Ant, no problem there. And Simmons unlike DLO, makes everyone better who plays with him. Please, PLEASE take DLO and Beasley for Simmons. We win big.

Cool what else would you be willing to give up in addition to Beasley and Russell?

I'd give up Bolmaro and a #1 pick in addition to those two guys.

Thanks for the reply. I'm personally not opposed to including those 2 guys although I actually value both of them. One issue with trading Russell and Beasley together is salary. I don't see guys to match salary that the Sixer would want to give up to get Beasley so that's probably another reason for a 3rd team. Would you be willing to send another 1st rounder to the Sixers instead of Beasley?

Yes I would, but I think Philly would rather have the player.

monsterpile wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:Lip, I'm shocked you wouldn't give up DLO and Beasley for Simmons. To me it would be an absolute yes. Offense will still revolve around KAT and Ant, no problem there. And Simmons unlike DLO, makes everyone better who plays with him. Please, PLEASE take DLO and Beasley for Simmons. We win big.

Cool what else would you be willing to give up in addition to Beasley and Russell?

I'd give up Bolmaro and a #1 pick in addition to those two guys.

Thanks for the reply. I'm personally not opposed to including those 2 guys although I actually value both of them. One issue with trading Russell and Beasley together is salary. I don't see guys to match salary that the Sixer would want to give up to get Beasley so that's probably another reason for a 3rd team. Would you be willing to send another 1st rounder to the Sixers instead of Beasley?

Monster - The deal would work under the CBA's salary match requirements if Maxey were included along with Simmons in the package to Minnesota. We we've all probably read, Simmons and Maxey have the same agent and he's apparently trying to get Maxey out of Philly as well.

lipoli390 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:Lip, I'm shocked you wouldn't give up DLO and Beasley for Simmons. To me it would be an absolute yes. Offense will still revolve around KAT and Ant, no problem there. And Simmons unlike DLO, makes everyone better who plays with him. Please, PLEASE take DLO and Beasley for Simmons. We win big.

Cool what else would you be willing to give up in addition to Beasley and Russell?

I'd give up Bolmaro and a #1 pick in addition to those two guys.

Thanks for the reply. I'm personally not opposed to including those 2 guys although I actually value both of them. One issue with trading Russell and Beasley together is salary. I don't see guys to match salary that the Sixer would want to give up to get Beasley so that's probably another reason for a 3rd team. Would you be willing to send another 1st rounder to the Sixers instead of Beasley?

Monster - The deal would work under the CBA's salary match requirements if Maxey were included along with Simmons in the package to Minnesota. We we've all probably read, Simmons and Maxey have the same agent and he's apparently trying to get Maxey out of Philly as well.

That's a good point. I don't think Morey is going to give away Maxey for free especially just to get Beasley. There is also the problem that the deal would put Philly a decent chunk into the luxury tax. My guess is that Philly would be fine doing that for the right deal but I doubt they would do that for something that was more along the lines of...the best they could do.

monsterpile wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:Lip, I'm shocked you wouldn't give up DLO and Beasley for Simmons. To me it would be an absolute yes. Offense will still revolve around KAT and Ant, no problem there. And Simmons unlike DLO, makes everyone better who plays with him. Please, PLEASE take DLO and Beasley for Simmons. We win big.

Cool what else would you be willing to give up in addition to Beasley and Russell?

I'd give up Bolmaro and a #1 pick in addition to those two guys.

Thanks for the reply. I'm personally not opposed to including those 2 guys although I actually value both of them. One issue with trading Russell and Beasley together is salary. I don't see guys to match salary that the Sixer would want to give up to get Beasley so that's probably another reason for a 3rd team. Would you be willing to send another 1st rounder to the Sixers instead of Beasley?

Monster - The deal would work under the CBA's salary match requirements if Maxey were included along with Simmons in the package to Minnesota. We we've all probably read, Simmons and Maxey have the same agent and he's apparently trying to get Maxey out of Philly as well.

That's a good point. I don't think Morey is going to give away Maxey for free especially just to get Beasley. There is also the problem that the deal would put Philly a decent chunk into the luxury tax. My guess is that Philly would be fine doing that for the right deal but I doubt they would do that for something that was more along the lines of...the best they could do.

You might be right about Morey not agreeing to include Maxey in that deal. Nevertheless, if DLO, Beasley and a couple picks is the best offer he has by the start of the season, I'm not sure he'd let holding onto Maxey get in the way of doing the deal. I actually think DLO and Beasley would be a nice return for Simmons given what we know today about Simmons' market value. When a team like the Kings says they won't put Haliburton on the table for Simmons, the notion of getting both DLO and Beasley would have to be pretty enticing to Morey - unless he's willing to keep Simmons well into the season and perhaps for the entire season.

Right after the playoffs, I would have thought it would have been a mistake to trade both DLO and Beasley for Simmons because of the spacing problems it would create for us. Then over the summer, I think we all started to think about it more and remember just how great Simmons is on defense and in transition, and I started hoping Rosas could get a deal done. But I'm still pretty ambivalent about it. I really want Simmons, and I also really don't. It's because he's so great at the things he does well, and also so terrible as a shooter. He CAN'T be as bad as his FT% was in the playoffs last year, but if he hits a cold stretch like that in the playoffs again, doesn't it almost force you to bench him down the stretch? The idea of having to potentially park 30 million of your cap space on the bench in crunch time is nuts, but he really is such a good player in other ways. The risk-reward is really high with a guy like that.

Just like his unique blend of greatness and terribleness makes me ambivalent, I think it is also responsible for the uncertainly about his trade value. Even if you set aside Morey's unrealistic expectations at this point, people are probably hesitant to make a commitment to a player like that because of the risk, and because it would basically demand that you build the rest of your roster around him so he can play the Draymond role. But who else out there has guys like Steph and Klay to be able to make that happen? Theoretically, if we kept DLO and/or Beasley, we might be able to make it work, but then how could we get Simmons? It wouldn't be possible without giving up Ant, Jaden, and picks for sure.

Actually, maybe the Hawks? Not a great fit next to Capela, but they do have the shooters and the assets to put together a trade package for sure, though they'd probably have to get a third team involved as well to be able to send the Sixers an All-Star (or at least near All-Star) quality player in his prime.

Very good post, Drew. I think you capsulize well why this is such an interesting topic. Philly fans want to kick Simmons out of town because of his poor free throw shooting and infamous passed-up dunk in game 7, and those images are firmly planted in most of our brains too. And I get your question about whether we can trust having our max player in the game at crunch time if he misses as many free throws as he does. But aren't we already in the same position with our current roster. While he value Dlo's contributions on offense, most of us would agree he is a disaster on defense...I would say his defense is the equivalent of Simmons' free throw shooting. To paraphrase your question, can we afford to have $30 million of our cap for a guy who would struggle to stop my grandmother from scoring on the court at crunch time?

This Simmons trade situation is complex to say the least. I'm firmly on the side of doing what it takes to bring him in, but I also recognize that I value elite defense more than most here (and Rosas, for that matter).

What do you guys think of a three way deal with the Pelicans. The Pelicans haven't liked the fit of Ingram and Zion. Maybe something like this..

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yf9jst59

Throw two firsts to New Orleans. They are in the building stage and could use a couple firsts. And if Simmons value is as low as I think it may be then maybe Philly sends another first to New Orleans.

Feels like a pretty good deal for all involved.

Sidenote:

Has anyone tried out Sportrac's beta "manage team" feature? It's not perfect but it's kinda fun you as can do trades and add/sign Free agents.