Ben Simmons Talk Revived

[Lipoli390]

https://itsgame7.com/how-76ers-plan-to-punish-ben-simmons-for-sitting-out/

Apparently, Simmons can be fined up to around $1.3M per week if he doesn't show up for practice. Rich Paul said they're prepared for that ramification. Certainly, Simmons has the money to pay those fines. And I suspect Rich Paul might pick up part or all of the tab.

But what I actually found interesting about this article was its reference to a "dark horse team" that has emerged as a suitor for Ben Simmons. Apparently, that dark horse team is Cleveland as reported in The Athletic. Apparently, the key player for a deal with the Cavs is Darius Garland. Hmm.

How about Garland, Kevin Love and a future unprotected first for Simmons? Or Sexton, Love and two lightly protected first-round picks for Simmons?

[Lipoli390]

I can see a how a deal with the Cavs involving Sexton or Garland could make a lot of sense for both teams.

Benefit to the Cavs: After signing Markkanen, the Cavs have a solid foundation of shooters/scorers, which would allow them to give up Sexton or Garland and still have plenty of offensive fire-power with perimeter shooting to blend well with the defensive playmaker Ben Simmons.

Benefit to the Sixers: Sexton averaged 24.5 points per game on 47.5% shooting and 37% shooting from behind the arc. Garland averaged 17.4 points and 6 assists while hitting 39.5% of his threes. Both are young with considerable remaining upside. Either one would blend well with Embiid, Harris and Thybulle. Kevin Love would be included for salary-match purposes. As we all know, the Cavs have wanted to unload him for a while. He just doesn't fit with the Cavs' timeline. But he'd be an excellent fit for the win-now Sixers and with Embiid and Harris, Love wouldn't have to carry a load that he can no longer handle at this stage in his career. He still hit nearly 37% of his threes last season and pulled down 7.4 rebounds in only 25 games. The year before he played 56 games and averaged 9.8 rebounds per game while hitting 37.4% of his threes. He hasn't been very durable lately, but he would fit well with the Sixers.

[Monster]

https://itsgame7.com/how-76ers-plan-to-punish-ben-simmons-for-sitting-out/

Apparently, Simmons can be fined up to around $1.3M per week if he doesn't show up for practice. Rich Paul said they're prepared for that ramification. Certainly, Simmons has the money to pay those fines. And I suspect Rich Paul might pick up part or all of the tab.

But what I actually found interesting about this article was its reference to a "dark horse team" that has emerged as a suitor for Ben Simmons. Apparently, that dark horse team is Cleveland as reported in The Athletic. Apparently, the key player for a deal with the Cavs is Darius Garland. Hmm.

How about Garland, Kevin Love and a future unprotected first for Simmons? Or Sexton, Love and two lightly protected first-round picks for Simmons?

Lip reading Larry Coon's CBA FAQ makes me skeptical of that large number for not showing up for practice. The big number will come if he doesn't show up for games even preseason ones. Regardless its worth remembering that any fines go straight to charity so it's not like Philly saves any money by fining him it's basically a player doesn't get that money but the NBA charity pot gets it. If you are a player trying to make a point then you can say (even if it's just to yourself) you are also doing some good while doing so.

This website seems to be stealing my material as I said a couple days ago I thought the Cavs made sense.

[Monster]

I can see a how a deal with the Cavs involving Sexton or Garland could make a lot of sense for both teams.

Benefit to the Cavs: After signing Markkanen, the Cavs have a solid foundation of shooters/scorers, which would allow them to give up Sexton or Garland and still have plenty of offensive fire-power with perimeter shooting to blend well with the defensive playmaker Ben Simmons.

Benefit to the Sixers: Sexton averaged 24.5 points per game on 47.5% shooting and 37% shooting from behind the arc. Garland averaged 17.4 points and 6 assists while hitting 39.5% of his threes. Both are young with considerable remaining upside. Either one would blend well with Embiid, Harris and Thybulle. Kevin Love would be included for salary-match purposes. As we all know, the Cavs have wanted to unload him for a while. He just doesn't fit with the Cavs' timeline. But he'd be an excellent fit for the win-now Sixers and with Embiid and Harris, Love wouldn't have to carry a load that he can no longer handle at this stage in his career. He still hit nearly 37% of his threes last season and pulled down 7.4 rebounds in only 25 games. The year before he played 56 games and averaged 9.8 rebounds per game while hitting 37.4% of his threes. He hasn't been very durable lately, but he would fit well with the Sixers.

There are 2 problems with your proposed deal.

1. Does Philly want to pay Kevin Love 29 million in 2022-2023 season? No because nobody wants to.

2. What is Sexton going to cost in terms of salary? This would matter less if they weren't already paying Love 29 million to be kinda decent. Will Sexton cost a max deal? Is he worth that? Honestly I have no idea I only look at the numbers which quite frankly look pretty damn good and he runs 23 in January. It would be interesting to hear some takes about both him and Garland from people who actually saw them play more than a couple of games last year.

[FNG]

I can see a how a deal with the Cavs involving Sexton or Garland could make a lot of sense for both teams.

Benefit to the Cavs: After signing Markkanen, the Cavs have a solid foundation of shooters/scorers, which would allow them to give up Sexton or Garland and still have plenty of offensive fire-power with perimeter shooting to blend well with the defensive playmaker Ben Simmons.

Benefit to the Sixers: Sexton averaged 24.5 points per game on 47.5% shooting and 37% shooting from behind the arc. Garland averaged 17.4 points and 6 assists while hitting 39.5% of his threes. Both are young with considerable remaining upside. Either one would blend well with Embiid, Harris and Thybulle. Kevin Love would be included for salary-match purposes. As we all know, the Cavs have wanted to unload him for a while. He just doesn't fit with the Cavs' timeline. But he'd be an excellent fit for the win-now Sixers and with Embiid and Harris, Love wouldn't have to carry a load that he can no longer handle at this stage in his career. He still hit nearly 37% of his threes last season and pulled down 7.4 rebounds in only 25 games. The year before he played 56 games and averaged 9.8 rebounds per game while hitting 37.4% of his threes. He hasn't been very durable lately, but he would fit well with the Sixers.

There are 2 problems with your proposed deal.

1. Does Philly want to pay Kevin Love 29 million in 2022-2023 season? No because nobody wants to.

2. What is Sexton going to cost in terms of salary? This would matter less if they weren't already paying Love 29 million to be kinda decent. Will Sexton cost a max deal? Is he worth that? Honestly I have no idea I only look at the numbers which quite frankly look pretty damn good and he runs 23 in January. It would be interesting to hear some takes about both him and Garland from people who actually saw them play more than a couple of games last year.

Monster and Lip, I think the other problem with any deal involving Garland and/or Sexton is that both of you would have a decent chance of putting up 20 on either of them on any given night...and I don't even know how good your mid-range games are! My sense is that, unlike Rosas, Morey understands you need to have guys who can make stops, and he's been able to watch Simmons defend for 4 years. Will he be willing to take on either of these two guys? I don't know.

As I read the article you attached, Lip, I had two thoughts. First, leaking the fines story tells me that Morey plans to play hardball with Ben, and isn't likely to budge if some team doesn't step up with an offer he deems sufficient. Second, if you click through a couple of the links in the article, you get to a statement that says Rosas has annoyed Morey by refusing to include Dlo in any deal. Two things come to mind when I read that. It seems to imply Morey is open to a deal involving Dlo, but if Rosas refuses to bring in Simmons because he won't give up Dlo, he should be tarred and feathered and run out of town.

[Lipoli390]

I can see a how a deal with the Cavs involving Sexton or Garland could make a lot of sense for both teams.

Benefit to the Cavs: After signing Markkanen, the Cavs have a solid foundation of shooters/scorers, which would allow them to give up Sexton or Garland and still have plenty of offensive fire-power with perimeter shooting to blend well with the defensive playmaker Ben Simmons.

Benefit to the Sixers: Sexton averaged 24.5 points per game on 47.5% shooting and 37% shooting from behind the arc. Garland averaged 17.4 points and 6 assists while hitting 39.5% of his threes. Both are young with considerable remaining upside. Either one would blend well with Embiid, Harris and Thybulle. Kevin Love would be included for salary-match purposes. As we all know, the Cavs have wanted to unload him for a while. He just doesn't fit with the Cavs' timeline. But he'd be an excellent fit for the win-now Sixers and with Embiid and Harris, Love wouldn't have to carry a load that he can no longer handle at this stage in his career. He still hit nearly 37% of his threes last season and pulled down 7.4 rebounds in only 25 games. The year before he played 56 games and averaged 9.8 rebounds per game while hitting 37.4% of his threes. He hasn't been very durable lately, but he would fit well with the Sixers.

There are 2 problems with your proposed deal.

1. Does Philly want to pay Kevin Love 29 million in 2022-2023 season? No because nobody wants to.

2. What is Sexton going to cost in terms of salary? This would matter less if they weren't already paying Love 29 million to be kinda decent. Will Sexton cost a max deal? Is he worth that? Honestly I have no idea I only look at the numbers which quite frankly look pretty damn good and he runs 23 in January. It would be interesting to hear some takes about both him and Garland from people who actually saw them play more than a couple of games last year.

Monster and Lip, I think the other problem with any deal involving Garland and/or Sexton is that both of you would have a decent chance of putting up 20 on either of them on any given night...and I don't even know how good your mid-range games are! My sense is that, unlike Rosas, Morey understands you need to have guys who can make stops, and he's been able to watch Simmons defend for 4 years. Will he be willing to take on either of these two guys? I don't know.

As I read the article you attached, Lip, I had two thoughts. First, leaking the fines story tells me that Morey plans to play hardball with Ben, and isn't likely to budge if some team doesn't step up with an offer he deems sufficient. Second, if you click through a couple of the links in the article, you get to a statement that says Rosas has annoyed Morey by refusing to include Dlo in any deal. Two things come to mind when I read that. It seems to imply Morey is open to a deal involving Dlo, but if Rosas refuses to bring in Simmons because he won't give up Dlo, he should be tarred and feathered and run out of town.

FNG - Interesting tidbit about Morey's annoyance over Rosas refusing to include DLO. I'll have to go back and check out those links. Rosas might just be posturing. But Rosas also has to consider how trading DLO might impact KAT. So maybe that's a big part of Gersson's refusal to include DLO. Or perhaps Morey is demanding 3 or more lightly-protected 1st-round picks and McDaniels in addition to DLO, in which case I can understand Rosas saying to Morey, you don't get DLO. Right now, I'd say that every GM around the League is annoyed by Morey - and understandably so. Apparently, at least one GM hung up the phone on Morey because his demands were so ridiculous. The Sixers organization and fan base want to trade Simmons and Morey expects to get a king's random in return. It doesn't work that way - except perhaps in Morey's egomaniacal mind.

As for the Sexton or Garland + Love idea, it would be defense for offense trade, which is precisely the outcome of any realistic Simmons deal. You're right that Morey has been watching Simmons defend for 4 years. And now, after watching him for those 4 years, he wants to trade him. He wants someone who will take and hit perimeter shots and free-throws and still be able to run the offense as a lead guard. Sexton and Garland can do those things at a very high level. They're not great defenders like Simmons but that's the obvious and inevitable trade off. Kevin Love's defensive shortcomings are manageable when you have a defensive stud like Embiid as your center and a sold defenders like Harris on the wing. It's not like you can't win a championship with Kevin Love.

[Lipoli390]

I can see a how a deal with the Cavs involving Sexton or Garland could make a lot of sense for both teams.

Benefit to the Cavs: After signing Markkanen, the Cavs have a solid foundation of shooters/scorers, which would allow them to give up Sexton or Garland and still have plenty of offensive fire-power with perimeter shooting to blend well with the defensive playmaker Ben Simmons.

Benefit to the Sixers: Sexton averaged 24.5 points per game on 47.5% shooting and 37% shooting from behind the arc. Garland averaged 17.4 points and 6 assists while hitting 39.5% of his threes. Both are young with considerable remaining upside. Either one would blend well with Embiid, Harris and Thybulle. Kevin Love would be included for salary-match purposes. As we all know, the Cavs have wanted to unload him for a while. He just doesn't fit with the Cavs' timeline. But he'd be an excellent fit for the win-now Sixers and with Embiid and Harris, Love wouldn't have to carry a load that he can no longer handle at this stage in his career. He still hit nearly 37% of his threes last season and pulled down 7.4 rebounds in only 25 games. The year before he played 56 games and averaged 9.8 rebounds per game while hitting 37.4% of his threes. He hasn't been very durable lately, but he would fit well with the Sixers.

There are 2 problems with your proposed deal.

1. Does Philly want to pay Kevin Love 29 million in 2022-2023 season? No because nobody wants to.

2. What is Sexton going to cost in terms of salary? This would matter less if they weren't already paying Love 29 million to be kinda decent. Will Sexton cost a max deal? Is he worth that? Honestly I have no idea I only look at the numbers which quite frankly look pretty damn good and he runs 23 in January. It would be interesting to hear some takes about both him and Garland from people who actually saw them play more than a couple of games last year.

Monster - The money thing is definitely an issue that cuts against Philly agreeing to this deal. But if they believe this deal could keep them in the championship hunt and maybe get them over the hump, the Sixers will live with paying Love that money for another year or two. Assuming Philly gets a couple 1st-round picks in return, they can use those to help move him as an expiring contract after next season. They can also buy him out after next season.

As for whether Sexton and Garland would command and be worth max contracts, I'm in the same boat as you. Sexton in particular has impressive stats, but like you I haven't seen them play much.

[Monster]

I can see a how a deal with the Cavs involving Sexton or Garland could make a lot of sense for both teams.

Benefit to the Cavs: After signing Markkanen, the Cavs have a solid foundation of shooters/scorers, which would allow them to give up Sexton or Garland and still have plenty of offensive fire-power with perimeter shooting to blend well with the defensive playmaker Ben Simmons.

Benefit to the Sixers: Sexton averaged 24.5 points per game on 47.5% shooting and 37% shooting from behind the arc. Garland averaged 17.4 points and 6 assists while hitting 39.5% of his threes. Both are young with considerable remaining upside. Either one would blend well with Embiid, Harris and Thybulle. Kevin Love would be included for salary-match purposes. As we all know, the Cavs have wanted to unload him for a while. He just doesn't fit with the Cavs' timeline. But he'd be an excellent fit for the win-now Sixers and with Embiid and Harris, Love wouldn't have to carry a load that he can no longer handle at this stage in his career. He still hit nearly 37% of his threes last season and pulled down 7.4 rebounds in only 25 games. The year before he played 56 games and averaged 9.8 rebounds per game while hitting 37.4% of his threes. He hasn't been very durable lately, but he would fit well with the Sixers.

There are 2 problems with your proposed deal.

1. Does Philly want to pay Kevin Love 29 million in 2022-2023 season? No because nobody wants to.

2. What is Sexton going to cost in terms of salary? This would matter less if they weren't already paying Love 29 million to be kinda decent. Will Sexton cost a max deal? Is he worth that? Honestly I have no idea I only look at the numbers which quite frankly look pretty damn good and he runs 23 in January. It would be interesting to hear some takes about both him and Garland from people who actually saw them play more than a couple of games last year.

Monster - The money thing is definitely an issue that cuts against Philly agreeing to this deal. But if they believe this deal could keep them in the championship hunt and maybe get them over the hump, the Sixers will live with paying Love that money for another year or two. Assuming Philly gets a couple 1st-round picks in return, they can use those to help move him as an expiring contract after next season. They can also buy him out after next season.

As for whether Sexton and Garland would command and be worth max contracts, I'm in the same boat as you. Sexton in particular has impressive stats, but like you I haven't seen them play much.

I agree that the Sixers may ultimately be willing to pay that money to Love but taking on that contract might mean another asset coming to Philly for taking that on. Is that something the Cavs would be willing to do basically give up another 1st round pick in that package? I mean we both know that even with a lower expected return Sexton or Garland aren't enough for Simmons so how many picks will the Cavs gave to throw in to get Simmons...and then maybe to offset that Love contract? Maxey going to the Cavs would help with that and he would slot in as a young SG. The question is how much does the Cavs want Simmons? Since neither of us have seen Garland and Sexton it's hard to say how much Morey would value either guy in a trade.

I'll also add that while I think Morey does want to trade Simmons I think he wants to trade Simmons because he wants to trade him for a basically a better player. He doesn't want to trade him at all costs he sees him as an asset. That's fair to some extent but I also think (speculating) that's partly what has pissed off Simmons. Simmons knows he is gone the first chance Morey gets but Morey has been asking crazy stuff for him just waiting for the right opportunity. Morey has the right to do what he has done but there are consequences for every action. I can't blame Simmons for saying he is done. Some would say that reflects poorly on Simmons which might be true also. Morey utilized his power to try and get what he wanted and didn't seem to care or consider the consequences. Simmons now looks to be using his power to get what he wants.

I typically say things aren't as bad as they seem but we have now seen this playbook a few times and I think there is enough reporting to say things are not good between Simmons and the Sixers. Simmons will be traded and until then it's going to be pretty awkward. Maybe Simmons will play a few games like Butler and Harden did but how did that work out? Maybe the Nets did up their offer. Honestly I kinda doubt it but I obviously don't know.

[Lipoli390]

https://itsgame7.com/how-76ers-plan-to-punish-ben-simmons-for-sitting-out/

Apparently, Simmons can be fined up to around $1.3M per week if he doesn't show up for practice. Rich Paul said they're prepared for that ramification. Certainly, Simmons has the money to pay those fines. And I suspect Rich Paul might pick up part or all of the tab.

But what I actually found interesting about this article was its reference to a "dark horse team" that has emerged as a suitor for Ben Simmons. Apparently, that dark horse team is Cleveland as reported in The Athletic. Apparently, the key player for a deal with the Cavs is Darius Garland. Hmm.

How about Garland, Kevin Love and a future unprotected first for Simmons? Or Sexton, Love and two lightly protected first-round picks for Simmons?

Lip reading Larry Coon's CBA FAQ makes me skeptical of that large number for not showing up for practice. The big number will come if he doesn't show up for games even preseason ones. Regardless its worth remembering that any fines go straight to charity so it's not like Philly saves any money by fining him it's basically a player doesn't get that money but the NBA charity pot gets it. If you are a player trying to make a point then you can say (even if it's just to yourself) you are also doing some good while doing so.

This website seems to be stealing my material as I said a couple days ago I thought the Cavs made sense.

Good points, Monster. Apparently, the fine is calculated as a percentage of a player's salary. Two things about that: First, it means the "fines" don't kick in until Nov. 15 when the first checks to players are due. Second, the amount is a small fraction of a player's salary, which means it has no meaningful impact on the life of a player like Simmons' with his income. And yes, the money goes to charity, which doesn't help the Sixers and can make the player feel good. So Simmons has quite a bit of leverage here. Another alternative for Simmons would be to play and take 10 three-pointers per game. :) That's more leverage than sitting out.

[Coolbreeze44]

I would think Morey's preference would be to trade Simmons to a Western Conference team.