monsterpile wrote:Q I see Flip possibly moving some PFs including Bennett and Bjelica in different deals or at least 1 of them. Of course I agree that if we end up with all those guys at PF then you have no room to add a player at PF. We don't know what Flip is thinking about these guys but with Bjelica we may know soon. I'm all for getting a young PG in the draft but it's also the deepest position in the NBA so I could see it being a cheap FA route to fill it as well.
Q how is it that you see Dieng being able to play PF but not Towns?
monsterpile wrote:Q I see Flip possibly moving some PFs including Bennett and Bjelica in different deals or at least 1 of them. Of course I agree that if we end up with all those guys at PF then you have no room to add a player at PF. We don't know what Flip is thinking about these guys but with Bjelica we may know soon. I'm all for getting a young PG in the draft but it's also the deepest position in the NBA so I could see it being a cheap FA route to fill it as well.
Q how is it that you see Dieng being able to play PF but not Towns?
If we draft Okafor....
Come on Q. Lol ok ok I'll try this... Why can't Towns play PF in the hypothetical situation that we do draft him?
monsterpile wrote:Q I see Flip possibly moving some PFs including Bennett and Bjelica in different deals or at least 1 of them. Of course I agree that if we end up with all those guys at PF then you have no room to add a player at PF. We don't know what Flip is thinking about these guys but with Bjelica we may know soon. I'm all for getting a young PG in the draft but it's also the deepest position in the NBA so I could see it being a cheap FA route to fill it as well.
Q how is it that you see Dieng being able to play PF but not Towns?
If we draft Okafor....
Come on Q. Lol ok ok I'll try this... Why can't Towns play PF in the hypothetical situation that we do draft him?
Heh, well, taking Okafor IS a real possibility!
The reason why Towns won't play 4 if we draft him is because we need him too much at the 5! And I think he's even more of a 5 than Dieng based on being a little bigger and stronger.
I honestly believe we only have one true 5 on the team right now and that's Pekovic. Yes, Dieng can play some 5, especially as a backup, but generally speaking, he's too damn weak in the paint.
Whether we draft Towns or Okafor, all of their minutes will be dedicated to the 5 because we literally have no one else to really play that position on a full-time basis.
Why is everyone so frantic to have a legit 5 on this team? Name 5 Centers in the league now who are legit big body prototype centers now? Very few and becoming more and more irrelevant in this new age NBA. A matter of fact, the Warriors went small ball to win a championship.
My point is this, length, speed, athletic ability, IQ, and the skills to stretch the floor from post to the perimeter is huge now. I would also play towns at 5, but it all depends on the team we are playing and having him next to Dieng is in my opinion the best 4,5 combo we could have on floor going forward.
slimcalhoun27 wrote:Why is everyone so frantic to have a legit 5 on this team? Name 5 Centers in the league now who are legit big body prototype centers now? Very few and becoming more and more irrelevant in this new age NBA. A matter of fact, the Warriors went small ball to win a championship.
My point is this, length, speed, athletic ability, IQ, and the skills to stretch the floor from post to the perimeter is huge now. I would also play towns at 5, but it all depends on the team we are playing and having him next to Dieng is in my opinion the best 4,5 combo we could have on floor going forward.
The reason we want one is because nobody has a great one. It would make us unique and harder to defend with teams focused on the more modern offenses. Even if we draft Towns over Okafor I want to see a post game out of Towns. I really think we can make a killing with great post play. If we want to follow the trend I would pick Russell over both Towns and Okafor.
monsterpile wrote:Does anyone have stats on Rubio's catch and shoot 3 point shots? Also Rubio for a guy that's sort of terrible offensively Rubio draws a healthy amount of fouls and is a good FT% I think Rubio isn't a hapless offensive guy for those reasons. The key issue is if he can stay healthy. Let's see that first and then worry about what issues he has after that. Hopefully he has some decent players to play with this year so we can have a good sense of what we have with him after this year.
In Ricky's 82 game season he had a 34.5 FG%, a 35.1% 3pt percentage and a 48.9 eFG% off catch and shoot opportunities according to NBAdotcom. He was at 31.9 FG%, 24.2% 3pt and a 37.7 eFG% this year on catch and shoot.
Surprisingly Ricky's pull up shooting improved (.39 FG% vs .288 last year and .408 eFG% vs .298) this year but his catch and shoot efficiency dropped to below his pull up shooting numbers. Maybe that is just because of small sample size.
I remember that Cam wrote that Ricky's mid range shooting is not anymore problem but it is more just his ability to finish at rim. I went to check that from basketball-reference and it seems that this statement might be true.
Ricky's FG% in jump shots this year was .361. In previous years it had been: .316, .319 and .301. It seems that especially his 2-point jump shooting was improved since his FG% in those was .403. That is already better shooting that many other point guards had. For example Lillard had FG% .35 his 2-point jump shots, Westbrook had .364, Lawson .38, Lowry .367, Rose .398, Knight .342, Jennings .352 and Deron Williams .371.
Maybe the work that he did with Penberthy did really help after all. I just hope that he could keep that accuracy in 2-point jump shots and improve his 3-point shooting and finishing at rim. Even with modest improvement in finishing at rim and three point shooting would probably improve his scoring efficiency enough that he wouldn't need to be considered as liability. Actually if he could keep his this years 2-point jump shooting accuracy and return to previous years level in 3-point shooting and finishing at rim, his FG% would around .40, eFG% .44 and TS% .49.
Thanks for these numbers. 22 games last year isn't much of a sample to draw from but it's all we have.
22 games is all u have to make your argument . He's got hundreds of games that prove ur argument incorrect. He was drafted in 09 and I'm still reading that we should give him till at least the 16-17 season to figure his shot out? How crazy is that? He gets 7 years to figure his shot out but Shabazz is labeled one trick after 2 years and a whole lot of improvemnt. Ricky isn't all that much better since his rookie year.
In fairness, Rubio is 24 and Muhammad 22. Rubio has had a couple seasons marred by injury and has hurt his progression. Anyone writing off either at this point I would say is doing it prematurely. Jason Kidd raised his shooting percentage at age 24.I think the reason you cant give up on Rubio is because defense isnt like working on your jump shot. Defense is instinctive, and a much harder skill to improve. Also his feel for the game and vision is just extraordinary. Only way I would deal Rubio is if you can get back into top three and get Dangelo Russell. I personally believe it would be best to just hold on to Rubio, draft Towns, and watch for improvement from Wiggins and Lavine and Muhammad. I know its hard to be patient as this has been way too long of a rebuilding project but reality is we just restarted it and now have to hope these young guys develop. Pork Chop, you really have it out for Rubio though dont you?
crazysauce wrote:In fairness, Rubio is 24 and Muhammad 22. Rubio has had a couple seasons marred by injury and has hurt his progression. Anyone writing off either at this point I would say is doing it prematurely. Jason Kidd raised his shooting percentage at age 24.I think the reason you cant give up on Rubio is because defense isnt like working on your jump shot. Defense is instinctive, and a much harder skill to improve. Also his feel for the game and vision is just extraordinary. Only way I would deal Rubio is if you can get back into top three and get Dangelo Russell. I personally believe it would be best to just hold on to Rubio, draft Towns, and watch for improvement from Wiggins and Lavine and Muhammad. I know its hard to be patient as this has been way too long of a rebuilding project but reality is we just restarted it and now have to hope these young guys develop. Pork Chop, you really have it out for Rubio though dont you?
I think it's fair to say that Pork Chop is not one of Rubio's biggest fans, as we regularly hear about how awful he is despite the transformation that occurs to our team when he is on the court.
crazysauce wrote:In fairness, Rubio is 24 and Muhammad 22. Rubio has had a couple seasons marred by injury and has hurt his progression. Anyone writing off either at this point I would say is doing it prematurely. Jason Kidd raised his shooting percentage at age 24.I think the reason you cant give up on Rubio is because defense isnt like working on your jump shot. Defense is instinctive, and a much harder skill to improve. Also his feel for the game and vision is just extraordinary. Only way I would deal Rubio is if you can get back into top three and get Dangelo Russell. I personally believe it would be best to just hold on to Rubio, draft Towns, and watch for improvement from Wiggins and Lavine and Muhammad. I know its hard to be patient as this has been way too long of a rebuilding project but reality is we just restarted it and now have to hope these young guys develop. Pork Chop, you really have it out for Rubio though dont you?
I really dont, but someone here has to play the other side. The Love fest for Ricky is sometimes unexplainable. In all my years watching baseball football and basketball I've never experienced the patience this guy has been afforded. He's a middle of the pack player being looked upon as a foundational piece . To me that's scary. Especially when fans make such a big deal about 8,9 and 10th guys on the roster trades that long term really don't affect this team that much.
crazysauce wrote:In fairness, Rubio is 24 and Muhammad 22. Rubio has had a couple seasons marred by injury and has hurt his progression. Anyone writing off either at this point I would say is doing it prematurely. Jason Kidd raised his shooting percentage at age 24.I think the reason you cant give up on Rubio is because defense isnt like working on your jump shot. Defense is instinctive, and a much harder skill to improve. Also his feel for the game and vision is just extraordinary. Only way I would deal Rubio is if you can get back into top three and get Dangelo Russell. I personally believe it would be best to just hold on to Rubio, draft Towns, and watch for improvement from Wiggins and Lavine and Muhammad. I know its hard to be patient as this has been way too long of a rebuilding project but reality is we just restarted it and now have to hope these young guys develop. Pork Chop, you really have it out for Rubio though dont you?
I think it's fair to say that Pork Chop is not one of Rubio's biggest fans, as we regularly hear about how awful he is despite the transformation that occurs to our team when he is on the court.
Never said he was aweful. Ever. I think he's farther away from awful than u guys think he's closer to great ;)
In relation to fans love affair with him I see him as a more talented Nick Punto. He's scrappy, plays the game hard,good in the clubhouse, never been the difference between being in the playoffs or not, has serious flaws but is the white guy we all root for!! Haha
