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AbeVigodaLive wrote:

Duke13 wrote:This is funny, Playoff teams want one of reserves who doesn't play!! Another example of an underutilized players by Tibs. Tolliver should be seeing the court.

Fair enough. So who doesn't play?

I think Duke is suggesting that Dieng and Tyus would be out of the rotation; Okogie and Tolliver in.

I think you go with a 10 man rotation and take Gorgui out of the rotation and insert Tolliver and Okogie.

I'd start start Saric and have either Saric and or Tolliver on the floor with Kat, obviously much more Saric. Tolliver should be getting 15 minutes I think. But that's under the premise he has the green light to shoot 3's and that takes a system of ball movement which we don't have or do. Tolliver has his weaknesses so if you aren't going to play to his strengths he's a negative player. So while I think he should be playing I think it's futile for the most part because he won't be utilized properly. It's a bigger problem. We aren't coached to play that way. I mean Tibs is yelling a play out every time down the floor. And it usually result in a pass and that guy going 1:1. It take a system to get up 35 3's a game. We don't have it.

Duke13 wrote:I think you go with a 10 man rotation and take Gorgui out of the rotation and insert Tolliver and Okogie.

I'd start start Saric and have either Saric and or Tolliver on the floor with Kat, obviously much more Saric. Tolliver should be getting 15 minutes I think. But that's under the premise he has the green light to shoot 3's and that takes a system of ball movement which we don't have or do. Tolliver has his weaknesses so if you aren't going to play to his strengths he's a negative player. So while I think he should be playing I think it's futile for the most part because he won't be utilized properly. It's a bigger problem. We aren't coached to play that way. I mean Tibs is yelling a play out every time down the floor. And it usually result in a pass and that guy going 1:1. It take a system to get up 35 3's a game. We don't have it.

So... Gibson becomes the backup big?

I'd think that's a very reasonable option as we acquired a younger, better player at considerable asset cost, so yes I'd move Gibson to the bench playing 18-20 minutes a game.

Boy, the Josh Richardson crowd must hate this last stretch of games from him.

Camden wrote:Boy, the Josh Richardson crowd must hate this last stretch of games from him.

Well, I'm not THAT emotionally attached to the guy, geez Cam....

Career highs in points, rebounds, and assists. Shooting 39% from 3. Has a positive net rating on a losing team. 7th amongst shooting guards in RPM. He is being stretched into a much higher usage role than he was previously accustomed to and not exactly surrounded by a ton of talent.

I have no idea if he'll be an all-star caliber player some day, but based on the deals that were rumored at the time, he seemed to be the best option out there knowing we weren't going to get equal value for Butler.

Q12543 wrote:

Camden wrote:Boy, the Josh Richardson crowd must hate this last stretch of games from him.

Well, I'm not THAT emotionally attached to the guy, geez Cam....

Career highs in points, rebounds, and assists. Shooting 39% from 3. Has a positive net rating on a losing team. 7th amongst shooting guards in RPM. He is being stretched into a much higher usage role than he was previously accustomed to and not exactly surrounded by a ton of talent.

I have no idea if he'll be an all-star caliber player some day, but based on the deals that were rumored at the time, he seemed to be the best option out there knowing we weren't going to get equal value for Butler.

Just for fun...

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Josh+Richardson&player_id1_select=Josh+Richardson&y1=2019&player_id1=richajo01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Andrew+Wiggins&player_id2_select=Andrew+Wiggins&y2=2019&player_id2=wiggian01&idx=players

monsterpile wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

Camden wrote:Boy, the Josh Richardson crowd must hate this last stretch of games from him.

Well, I'm not THAT emotionally attached to the guy, geez Cam....

Career highs in points, rebounds, and assists. Shooting 39% from 3. Has a positive net rating on a losing team. 7th amongst shooting guards in RPM. He is being stretched into a much higher usage role than he was previously accustomed to and not exactly surrounded by a ton of talent.

I have no idea if he'll be an all-star caliber player some day, but based on the deals that were rumored at the time, he seemed to be the best option out there knowing we weren't going to get equal value for Butler.

Just for fun...

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Josh+Richardson&player_id1_select=Josh+Richardson&y1=2019&player_id1=richajo01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Andrew+Wiggins&player_id2_select=Andrew+Wiggins&y2=2019&player_id2=wiggian01&idx=players

I guess that means wiggs has some competition for worst player in the league :)

monsterpile wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

Camden wrote:Boy, the Josh Richardson crowd must hate this last stretch of games from him.

Well, I'm not THAT emotionally attached to the guy, geez Cam....

Career highs in points, rebounds, and assists. Shooting 39% from 3. Has a positive net rating on a losing team. 7th amongst shooting guards in RPM. He is being stretched into a much higher usage role than he was previously accustomed to and not exactly surrounded by a ton of talent.

I have no idea if he'll be an all-star caliber player some day, but based on the deals that were rumored at the time, he seemed to be the best option out there knowing we weren't going to get equal value for Butler.

Just for fun...

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Josh+Richardson&player_id1_select=Josh+Richardson&y1=2019&player_id1=richajo01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Andrew+Wiggins&player_id2_select=Andrew+Wiggins&y2=2019&player_id2=wiggian01&idx=players

So Josh has slightly better offensive stats overall than Andrew so far this season. Tells me we should have offered Andrew for Josh. Oh, wait - I don't think the salaries would match. Never mind. :)

lipoli390 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

Camden wrote:Boy, the Josh Richardson crowd must hate this last stretch of games from him.

Well, I'm not THAT emotionally attached to the guy, geez Cam....

Career highs in points, rebounds, and assists. Shooting 39% from 3. Has a positive net rating on a losing team. 7th amongst shooting guards in RPM. He is being stretched into a much higher usage role than he was previously accustomed to and not exactly surrounded by a ton of talent.

I have no idea if he'll be an all-star caliber player some day, but based on the deals that were rumored at the time, he seemed to be the best option out there knowing we weren't going to get equal value for Butler.

Just for fun...

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Josh+Richardson&player_id1_select=Josh+Richardson&y1=2019&player_id1=richajo01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Andrew+Wiggins&player_id2_select=Andrew+Wiggins&y2=2019&player_id2=wiggian01&idx=players

So Josh has slightly better offensive stats overall than Andrew so far this season. Tells me we should have offered Andrew for Josh. Oh, wait - I don't think the salaries would match. Never mind. :)

Well...the salaries between these guys aren't that different when Miami sends back salary right? :)