Q-was-here wrote:This franchise needs to acquire a legit-sized Center this offseason that has size, strength, sets big screens, eats up space, etc. The reality is that Naz plays pretty small most of the time. He tends to get overwhelmed in the paint more often than not on defense and he's too slow footed to guard modern day 4s. I think teams would care WAY more about his defensive deficiencies than his offensive strengths, and therefore I agree with Kek that's he not worth that much on the open market.
kekgeek1 wrote:Personally I don't think Naz has much value around the league. He is a solid NBA player but he hasn't shown to ability to play PF, doesn't protect the rim, gets bullied by bigger players. Naz is a good offensive backup center but I don't think team is giving up anything of value to acquire Naz and also have him be a UFA next year
I tend to agree about his value but that's more based on him only having one year left than any of the other points made.
Look at his Per 36 Minutes stats
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/reidna01.html#all_per_minute-playoffs_per_minute
Has he been giving the chance to play PF? If no that might prove your point more :)
I feel he rim protects some, walls up with out fouling and per 36 stats have him at 2 BLKs last two years. What games did he get bullied by bigger players? I'd like to go re-watch and form an opinion. If it's against top notch Centers in the league not many backup centers such as Naz do fare well.
His pick and roll game and ability to shoot should not be over looked, Naz is a pretty good backup center especially considering the salary.
Naz is a productive big that hasn't turned 23 yet. One reason why a team would want to acquire him is that if they are a team that will have cap space next year he would have a small cap hold and they could resign him after they go over the cap. How much is he worth in terms of salary? Idk and maybe the small cap hold wouldn't matter much but there is also a chance he breaks out in one way or another and then what he would get would go up. He isn't a rim protector but he is a shotblocker that also can hit 3's and again is still a young big and generally speaking it a lot of times big guys take time to develop. Naz is quite frankly well ahead of where it would have been expected based on him coming out of college after a year and not getting drafted. I'm only in favor of trading him if the Wolves get value back. If they don't then keep him and maybe sign him to a value contract next summer.
Totally agree, Monster! Naz has a lot of value. His numbers on a 36-minute basis speak for themselves - 18 points, 9 rebounds and 2 blocks while shooting 34% from deep. And as you noted, he's still young and early in his development curve with a VERY team-friendly contract. I'd say he has a lot of trade value. And I'd also say, as you noted, that I'd keep him unless we get good value back in return. Hope Tim Connelly ends up making these decisions. :)
Disagree. I really don't think Naz has much value. He's a 10th or 11th man on a playoff team. He's not a rotation player in the playoffs... not if you're planning to win a series.
So many times our 2nd unit went on a run during the year and Naz might still have additional upside in putting it all together or even just a small increase in shooting puts him in the elite outside shooter territory. How he can be deemed near non-valuable when he is young and hasn't even had a large role is shocking to me. As someone else correctly said it only takes one GM to see him as valuable to make him worth something nice.
I'm assuming there are only two players/assets the Wolves won't include in any trade this summer - KAT and Ant. Here's a list of what I'd consider to be the Wolves valuable trade assets:
1. DLO (very good, former all-star PG just entering prime of his career and on expiring contract)
2. Beasley (Upper tier 3-pt shooter, highly athletic, excellent rebounder, young, on team-friendly deal)
3. Jaden McDaniels (Highly valuable young talent with two-way all-star potential)
4. Naz Reid (HIs numbers speak for themselves. And lots of upside)
5. Bolmaro (last 2nd-round pick last year. Hasn't lost any value)
6. #19 pick in this year's draft (it's a deep draft and lots of recent success in late 1st last two years)
7. Picks 40, 48, 50 in this year's draft (Valuable in a deep draft like this one - especially #40)
8. Wolves have all their future 1st-round picks and most of their 2nd-round picks.
9. All their salary cap exceptions coupled with nearly $20 space under luxury tax
lipoli390 wrote:I'm assuming there are only two players/assets the Wolves won't include in any trade this summer - KAT and Ant. Here's a list of what I'd consider to be the Wolves valuable trade assets:
1. DLO (very good, former all-star PG just entering prime of his career and on expiring contract)
2. Beasley (Upper tier 3-pt shooter, highly athletic, excellent rebounder, young, on team-friendly deal)
3. Jaden McDaniels (Highly valuable young talent with two-way all-star potential)
4. Naz Reid (HIs numbers speak for themselves. And lots of upside)
5. Bolmaro (last 2nd-round pick last year. Hasn't lost any value)
6. #19 pick in this year's draft (it's a deep draft and lots of recent success in late 1st last two years)
7. Picks 40, 48, 50 in this year's draft (Valuable in a deep draft like this one - especially #40)
8. Wolves have all their future 1st-round picks and most of their 2nd-round picks.
9. All their salary cap exceptions coupled with nearly $20 space under luxury tax
Good list but if you're ranking these in order, I don't think there's any question that jaden has more value than Dlo and Beasley
lipoli390 wrote:I'm assuming there are only two players/assets the Wolves won't include in any trade this summer - KAT and Ant. Here's a list of what I'd consider to be the Wolves valuable trade assets:
1. DLO (very good, former all-star PG just entering prime of his career and on expiring contract)
2. Beasley (Upper tier 3-pt shooter, highly athletic, excellent rebounder, young, on team-friendly deal)
3. Jaden McDaniels (Highly valuable young talent with two-way all-star potential)
4. Naz Reid (HIs numbers speak for themselves. And lots of upside)
5. Bolmaro (last 2nd-round pick last year. Hasn't lost any value)
6. #19 pick in this year's draft (it's a deep draft and lots of recent success in late 1st last two years)
7. Picks 40, 48, 50 in this year's draft (Valuable in a deep draft like this one - especially #40)
8. Wolves have all their future 1st-round picks and most of their 2nd-round picks.
9. All their salary cap exceptions coupled with nearly $20 space under luxury tax
Wolves also have the 4.75 million trade exception from the Rubio deal.
I don't expect Vanderbilt to be moved but if he was made available he would have plenty of value. Vanderbilt isn't untouchable but to give him up I would have to be getting a really good player back in the deal and mostly like that would include a front court player next to Towns.
In terms of how other franchises value our assets, I'd think it would look more like this (excluding KAT and Ant of course):
1. Jaden
2. #19 pick this year
3. DLO/expiring
4. Beasley
5. Future 1sts
6. Reid
7. Bolmaro
8. This year's 2nd rounders
Whats the appeal on Daniels, I haven't seen him play is he a good defender? Solid stls, rebounds and 2pt percentage but that 25.5% 3pt shooter on 3.6 attempts isn't very enticing. Mock drafts have anywhere from a lottery to pick 21 on nbadraftnet.
Q-was-here wrote:In terms of how other franchises value our assets, I'd think it would look more like this (excluding KAT and Ant of course):
1. Jaden
2. #19 pick this year
3. DLO/expiring
4. Beasley
5. Future 1sts
6. Reid
7. Bolmaro
8. This year's 2nd rounders
Yep. I wasn't listing them in order of value. Just listed them as they came to mind. I agree with your ranking.
Q-was-here wrote:In terms of how other franchises value our assets, I'd think it would look more like this (excluding KAT and Ant of course):
1. Jaden
2. #19 pick this year
3. DLO/expiring
4. Beasley
5. Future 1sts
6. Reid
7. Bolmaro
8. This year's 2nd rounders
Yep. I wasn't listing them in order of value. Just listed them as they came to mind. I agree with your ranking.
Lip my guess is to some extent you started your list based on salary.
