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kekgeek1 wrote:
KG4Ever wrote:If Wolves like Capela, just draft Nzosa in the second round and stash him a year. His comparison is Clint Capela and he'll be on a rookie deal and much younger (He's 19). Nzosa! https://nbadraftroom.com/yannick-nzosa/ They called him a "more advanced Clint Capela."


The odds he becomes as good as capela is like 1%


I'll take those odds! I think his chances are much better.
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Q-was-here wrote:Kek, I agree Capela wouldn't get completely played off the floor (like Drummond or Steven Adams for example), but I just can't see him and KAT sharing the floor in crunch time. That's where I get a little stuck. Do we really want to pay a guy $20M per year if he can't be out there in the last 7 minutes of close games? May be he could be used as a defensive sub in those situations?

It all comes down to what we'd have to give up to get him. I'm with Cam on the fact that he solves a couple of big problems for us. It just may come at a steep price.


Ya once again it comes at the asking price. I just don't think there is a great solution for putting a big next to Kat what is realistic.

Like Capela fixes rebounding, defense and a rim running big but can't space the floor and might be unplayable down the stretch of big because of FT shooting

Turner can space the floor and would allow us to play drop coverage more but he is injury prone not that good of a shooter and is a terrible rebounder for a big

Drummond, Hartenstien, Nurkic I think all can provide something in the regular season and would be a plus but I do think all 3 are almost unplayble in the playoffs guarding on the perimeter. So I don't know how much cap space I want put guys who I don't think will make any difference in the post season.

Jalen Smith is young but I don't want to pay him to find out if he is ok or not. Like go on Indiana Message boards they think he sucks. Now in theory he might be based on skill set but he has been a terrible NBA guy his 1st 2 years in the league. He might develop into something because he is still young but I don't think I want to pay him to find out.

Mo Bamba is just a better Jalen Smith. He is an NBA player but he is a replacement level NBA Center who still has good upside but the price it is going to take to make him a wolf I think is way to much to bank on potential. I like Bamba but once again I don't want to pay big money on potential.

I think the Wolves are in the weird spot of they need a big big man but no option is perfect. Like the FA are not playoff players and the guys that could be traded for have big flaws. I just don't know the solution because whoever the Wolves add I don't know if they are playing the last 5 minutes of a playoff game. Of the names above I think Capela is the only reasonable option and I can see him being in our closing 5 even with the major flaw that he has.

Its a weird spot for the wolves.
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KG4Ever wrote:
kekgeek1 wrote:
KG4Ever wrote:If Wolves like Capela, just draft Nzosa in the second round and stash him a year. His comparison is Clint Capela and he'll be on a rookie deal and much younger (He's 19). Nzosa! https://nbadraftroom.com/yannick-nzosa/ They called him a "more advanced Clint Capela."


The odds he becomes as good as capela is like 1%


I'll take those odds! I think his chances are much better.


Im not saying it is impossible just historically speaking getting a guy who is around the 6th best center in the NBA in the 2nd round is super rare. Not saying it can't happen but I would not be banking on it to happen.
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KG4Ever wrote:If Wolves like Capela, just draft Nzosa in the second round and stash him a year. His comparison is Clint Capela and he'll be on a rookie deal and much younger (He's 19). Nzosa! https://nbadraftroom.com/yannick-nzosa/ They called him a "more advanced Clint Capela." 7'6 wingspan. Moves well.


I like Yannick Nzosa and think the comparison is a fair one, but it's an "if everything goes right" projection. If Nzosa pans out, he could look like Capela, but the odds of that happening aren't great. Meanwhile, Capela is still somehow just 28-years old, proven, and apparently available. Minnesota's in a position where they should be looking to add some sure things to this group.

Less importantly, I don't think it would be wise for Minnesota to take Nzosa at 19 overall and I don't see him lasting until 40. He'd likely have to be a trade-up target somewhere between 25-35, I'd guess.
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Q-was-here wrote:Kek, I agree Capela wouldn't get completely played off the floor (like Drummond or Steven Adams for example), but I just can't see him and KAT sharing the floor in crunch time. That's where I get a little stuck. Do we really want to pay a guy $20M per year if he can't be out there in the last 7 minutes of close games? May be he could be used as a defensive sub in those situations?

It all comes down to what we'd have to give up to get him. I'm with Cam on the fact that he solves a couple of big problems for us. It just may come at a steep price.


Ya once again it comes at the asking price. I just don't think there is a great solution for putting a big next to Kat what is realistic.

Like Capela fixes rebounding, defense and a rim running big but can't space the floor and might be unplayable down the stretch of big because of FT shooting

Turner can space the floor and would allow us to play drop coverage more but he is injury prone not that good of a shooter and is a terrible rebounder for a big

Drummond, Hartenstien, Nurkic I think all can provide something in the regular season and would be a plus but I do think all 3 are almost unplayble in the playoffs guarding on the perimeter. So I don't know how much cap space I want put guys who I don't think will make any difference in the post season.

Jalen Smith is young but I don't want to pay him to find out if he is ok or not. Like go on Indiana Message boards they think he sucks. Now in theory he might be based on skill set but he has been a terrible NBA guy his 1st 2 years in the league. He might develop into something because he is still young but I don't think I want to pay him to find out.

Mo Bamba is just a better Jalen Smith. He is an NBA player but he is a replacement level NBA Center who still has good upside but the price it is going to take to make him a wolf I think is way to much to bank on potential. I like Bamba but once again I don't want to pay big money on potential.

I think the Wolves are in the weird spot of they need a big big man but no option is perfect. Like the FA are not playoff players and the guys that could be traded for have big flaws. I just don't know the solution because whoever the Wolves add I don't know if they are playing the last 5 minutes of a playoff game. Of the names above I think Capela is the only reasonable option and I can see him being in our closing 5 even with the major flaw that he has.

Its a weird spot for the wolves.


A compromise may be going out to spend $3-8M per year on a Drummond, Hartenstein, or Nurkic and just accept the fact that you are essentially getting a pseudo-starter in the regular season and damn near a situational player in the playoffs. It still might be worth it if KAT needs some muscle next to him depending on matchups. Keeping KAT out of foul trouble and emotional meltdown mode is at least half the the benefit of getting one of these big dudes. KAT was actually pretty solid defensively against Memphis. We just can't afford to have him going into the 4th quarter with 5 fouls on the books.
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Q-was-here wrote:
kekgeek1 wrote:
Q-was-here wrote:Kek, I agree Capela wouldn't get completely played off the floor (like Drummond or Steven Adams for example), but I just can't see him and KAT sharing the floor in crunch time. That's where I get a little stuck. Do we really want to pay a guy $20M per year if he can't be out there in the last 7 minutes of close games? May be he could be used as a defensive sub in those situations?

It all comes down to what we'd have to give up to get him. I'm with Cam on the fact that he solves a couple of big problems for us. It just may come at a steep price.


Ya once again it comes at the asking price. I just don't think there is a great solution for putting a big next to Kat what is realistic.

Like Capela fixes rebounding, defense and a rim running big but can't space the floor and might be unplayable down the stretch of big because of FT shooting

Turner can space the floor and would allow us to play drop coverage more but he is injury prone not that good of a shooter and is a terrible rebounder for a big

Drummond, Hartenstien, Nurkic I think all can provide something in the regular season and would be a plus but I do think all 3 are almost unplayble in the playoffs guarding on the perimeter. So I don't know how much cap space I want put guys who I don't think will make any difference in the post season.

Jalen Smith is young but I don't want to pay him to find out if he is ok or not. Like go on Indiana Message boards they think he sucks. Now in theory he might be based on skill set but he has been a terrible NBA guy his 1st 2 years in the league. He might develop into something because he is still young but I don't think I want to pay him to find out.

Mo Bamba is just a better Jalen Smith. He is an NBA player but he is a replacement level NBA Center who still has good upside but the price it is going to take to make him a wolf I think is way to much to bank on potential. I like Bamba but once again I don't want to pay big money on potential.

I think the Wolves are in the weird spot of they need a big big man but no option is perfect. Like the FA are not playoff players and the guys that could be traded for have big flaws. I just don't know the solution because whoever the Wolves add I don't know if they are playing the last 5 minutes of a playoff game. Of the names above I think Capela is the only reasonable option and I can see him being in our closing 5 even with the major flaw that he has.

Its a weird spot for the wolves.


A compromise may be going out to spend $3-8M per year on a Drummond, Hartenstein, or Nurkic and just accept the fact that you are essentially getting a pseudo-starter in the regular season and damn near a situational player in the playoffs. It still might be worth it if KAT needs some muscle next to him depending on matchups. Keeping KAT out of foul trouble and emotional meltdown mode is at least half the the benefit of getting one of these big dudes. KAT was actually pretty solid defensively against Memphis. We just can't afford to have him going into the 4th quarter with 5 fouls on the books.


That's my view, Q. There are two things to consider. First, do we have to give up valuable assets to get the player in the first place? Second, how much would we have to pay the player? The problem with Capela is that the Wolves would have to give up significant assets AND pay him $20 million. I'd be OK paying Capela the $20 million, if not for the fact that his contract goes through 2024-25. But we'd also have to give up significant assets to get him and that's what concerns me the most. In contrast, we can sign Hartenstein, Drummond or Smith without giving up any assets AND we'd be paying any of them substantially less than we'd be paying Capela. If we could sign Nurkic outright, we'd be paying him about half of what we'd be paying Capela because Nurkic would be limited to the max MLE of around $10 million. I'm not sure what the going price will be for Bamba as a RFA.

Having said all that, I think Capela is the best player of all those guys except perhaps for Nurkic who has a more versatile offensive game than Capela. Therein lies the dilemma. My first choice remains signing Hartenstein - the guy I wanted to sign last summer.
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Paying Clint Capela what he's under contract for -- three-years, $61.1-million -- shouldn't be considered a significant negative or drawback to trading for him, in my opinion. At just 28-years old, given what he produces on a year-to-year basis on both ends of the floor, I'd argue that those terms are close to what he'd make as a free agent. Jarrett Allen just received a five-year, $100-million deal and while he is younger and better than Capela, it isn't by much in my estimation. I think Minnesota has the right idea by targeting him, or at the very least showing interest there.

Not to mention, Minnesota actually can afford to take on that type of salary commitment given that Malik Beasley could be on his way out in the trade, Anthony Edwards still has two years left on his rookie contract, and the Wolves potentially have Patrick Beverley and D'Angelo Russell expiring next season. The money is there for another starting-caliber player if they want to go that route.

I think the issue isn't whether or not Capela would be a good player in Minnesota, or if they can feasibly make the money work, but rather what the asking price would be from an assets standpoint. I don't think 19 should be in play, but I could see Beasley and two second-round picks potentially getting a deal done -- whether that's two of this year's picks or one this year and one in the future. I could also potentially see Leandro Bolmaro involved given that he's a talented young player who doesn't have a clear path to playing time with this core moving forward.
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Camden wrote:
KG4Ever wrote:If Wolves like Capela, just draft Nzosa in the second round and stash him a year. His comparison is Clint Capela and he'll be on a rookie deal and much younger (He's 19). Nzosa! https://nbadraftroom.com/yannick-nzosa/ They called him a "more advanced Clint Capela." 7'6 wingspan. Moves well.


I like Yannick Nzosa and think the comparison is a fair one, but it's an "if everything goes right" projection. If Nzosa pans out, he could look like Capela, but the odds of that happening aren't great. Meanwhile, Capela is still somehow just 28-years old, proven, and apparently available. Minnesota's in a position where they should be looking to add some sure things to this group.

Less importantly, I don't think it would be wise for Minnesota to take Nzosa at 19 overall and I don't see him lasting until 40. He'd likely have to be a trade-up target somewhere between 25-35, I'd guess.


I only contemplate taking Nzosa at 48 or 50, but you could be right he could be gone by 40. He is going middle second round in most mocks.
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kekgeek1 wrote:
Q-was-here wrote:Kek, I agree Capela wouldn't get completely played off the floor (like Drummond or Steven Adams for example), but I just can't see him and KAT sharing the floor in crunch time. That's where I get a little stuck. Do we really want to pay a guy $20M per year if he can't be out there in the last 7 minutes of close games? May be he could be used as a defensive sub in those situations?

It all comes down to what we'd have to give up to get him. I'm with Cam on the fact that he solves a couple of big problems for us. It just may come at a steep price.


Ya once again it comes at the asking price. I just don't think there is a great solution for putting a big next to Kat what is realistic.

Like Capela fixes rebounding, defense and a rim running big but can't space the floor and might be unplayable down the stretch of big because of FT shooting

Turner can space the floor and would allow us to play drop coverage more but he is injury prone not that good of a shooter and is a terrible rebounder for a big

Drummond, Hartenstien, Nurkic I think all can provide something in the regular season and would be a plus but I do think all 3 are almost unplayble in the playoffs guarding on the perimeter. So I don't know how much cap space I want put guys who I don't think will make any difference in the post season.

Jalen Smith is young but I don't want to pay him to find out if he is ok or not. Like go on Indiana Message boards they think he sucks. Now in theory he might be based on skill set but he has been a terrible NBA guy his 1st 2 years in the league. He might develop into something because he is still young but I don't think I want to pay him to find out.

Mo Bamba is just a better Jalen Smith. He is an NBA player but he is a replacement level NBA Center who still has good upside but the price it is going to take to make him a wolf I think is way to much to bank on potential. I like Bamba but once again I don't want to pay big money on potential.

I think the Wolves are in the weird spot of they need a big big man but no option is perfect. Like the FA are not playoff players and the guys that could be traded for have big flaws. I just don't know the solution because whoever the Wolves add I don't know if they are playing the last 5 minutes of a playoff game. Of the names above I think Capela is the only reasonable option and I can see him being in our closing 5 even with the major flaw that he has.

Its a weird spot for the wolves.


I disagree with your take on Jalen Smith. He impressed me both with the Suns and with the Pacers this year. He was in Indiana after they traded away Sabonis, sat Turner out and were doing their tankathon but he stood out among all the bigs that were playing then. Can shoot the threes well, block shots, rebound and score efficiently and it was year 2, so I see improvement ahead. He also had one of the best plus/minus during his stint in Indiana, surpassing Haliburton. By the way, I liked Jalen Smith as a college player and was shocked when he didn't get extended by the Suns after being drafted tenth overall and I think its commonly thought the Suns blundered by not extending him. He recently turned 22 and getting him on a favorable contract is almost like getting a bonus lottery pick. I want him badly. Give me Hartenstein and Smith and I'll grade our offseason, an A+.
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lipoli390 wrote:
monsterpile wrote:
lipoli390 wrote:
kekgeek1 wrote:The one thing I do like about Capela is that he really has never been played off the floor in his playoff career. He is a very solid perimeter defender, so that is a big upside for him. Avaliable FA bigs like Drummond, Hartenstien, Nurkic, Smith, Bamba (not sure about Bamba), I am afraid they will just get played off the floor in playoff series because they all struggle to defend the perimeter. Then putting Kat on a mobile 4s could be an issue.

I am cool with the Capela addition but he did take a step back this year and dealt with injuries what scares me.
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Q-was-here wrote:Capela would single-handedly solve our defensive rebounding issues and be a massive help to KAT in protecting the paint and guarding the behemoths of the NBA. On offense he puts a ton of pressure on the rim as a lob threat.

I do agree that he's probably the type of Center you need to sit in crunch time since he can't hit FTs and he can't space the floor.

Is this worth $20M per year? I think that's a fair question considering he'd probably have to sit late in close games.


I read another writer discuss NBA centers and he said there an elite tier of centers like Embiid, Gobert, Adebayo, KAT and Jovic who are worth max money and then there are the rest of the centers who are viewed more as commodities and may not get paid a lot. I think this is a bit of an oversimpflification, but the supply/demand has been changing because some teams are going small ball and traditional centers are devalued, so you get a multi-All-Star like Drummond getting the minimum. The question for me is does Capela at $20 mill a year move the needle enough to warrant spending another $10 million more on a guy instead of the guy you could get in free agency, trade for or draft. I'm leaning no, giving Capela's shortcomings. Plus, l think Atlanta would try to extract some assets from the Wolves and I just want to hard pass on giving up any FRPs to get his big contract. I also don't know if taking on Capela's contract would foreclose the chance to add a max player in 2023 free agency and that might give me additional pause.


Yeah, the contract $ gives me pause given the trends. Capela is in that next tier of guys after the ones you listed, so he is pretty damn good, but the market value is probably worth less than his contract value.

Hartenstein still seems like a great in between solution....good enough to play meaningful minutes and really help with our size issues, but also reasonably priced.


Great discussion, guys. I'm a big Capela fan. I remember when he dominated KAT in the 1st round of the playoffs several years ago. I think that KG has identified Capela's weaknesses. My view is that Capela isn't worth $20M, knowing that Drummond, a very similar player, can probably be had for less than half that amount. I think Capela is more mobile and better overall than Drummond, but not by a lot.

Nonetheless, if I were Tim Connelly, I'd consider dealing for Capela in spite of my misgivings. But I would take a hard line in negotiations. Here's the way I see it. Capela is not in the mold of the modern center and, therefore, there are very few teams that would value him. The Wolves are unique in having a big like KAT, which gives the Wolves a luxury that no other team except Denver has - i.e. to start and big whose offensive game is entirely within the paint. So I wouldn't be offering picks or Jaden McDaniels to sweeten the deal. Beasley, Naz Reid and #19 for Capela and #16. Seems reasonable to me.


The big difference though between Capela and a guy like Drummond is Drummond has been unplayable in the playoffs because of his perimeter defense. Capela hasn't been played off the court in his playoff career.

Like you I have a hard line though on what it would take to acquire Capela. Beasley would need to be added because of salary reasons and I really don't know how much more I would give up. I would consider Beasley and one of Bolmoro, Naz, or one of the 2nds but I think Beasley might have more value then Capela now a days because of Capela contract.


Good point, kek. The parallel I suggested between Capela and Drummond was a bit strong. Capela is definitely the superior player and talent. He would certainly be an excellent fit for the Wolves and a huge upgrade over Vanderbilt.


Let's be honest for much of his career Drummond was never considered a particularly strong defensive player. He was good at rebounding and blocking shots and became and is now an elite rebounder but he was never the defensive anchor that Capela was. Capela wasn't a DPOY type guy but his defense was a significant part of his value. Capela if Healthy I think is still a very good starter. Drummond has been undervalued but I do think there are reasons why he didn't get a higher contract last offseason. I think he might get more this offseason unless he just wants to play on a winning team again.


There's really no debate about whether Capela is better than Drummond. The issue is that the Wolves would have to give up valuable assets to get Capela and then pay him $20 million. In contrast, the Wolves could sign Drummond as a free agent and pay him somewhere between $5 and 8 million. If Q is right that Capela can't be be on the floor with KAT in crunch time in the playoffs, then I just can't see giving up valuable assets to get him and then paying him nearly $20 million. I'm really on the fence when it comes to trading for Capela. I'm a big Capela fan and I think he might be able to be on the floor with KAT in the playoffs. I think KAT and Capela are more mobile and versatile defensively than many think. Obviously, my thinking would depend on what we'd have to give up to get him.


I don't think Capela is going to cost significant assets and if he does then we agree don't trade for him. If you consider Beasley an asset then like Cam mentioned then Beasley's salary should be considered and if you would want to keep him beyond this season then what's the difference between him and Capela? Is that difference enough to be worth signing him over a guy like Drummond? Is it worth signing a guy you know will be good over someone like Hartenstein who might actually just be a good backup? Atlanta basically got Capela for a 1st round pick and quite frankly I don't see how he has more value than he did then. He is older and signed for more money so his value might be lower. Meanwhile if the Wolves make a trade for Capela now they don't HAVE to sign some guy with the mid-level. They could still use that exception but they could also sign someone for 1 year deal or whatever and in that way keep money available for next offseason if they wanted to keep options open for being a team with cap space. I'm not saying I'm for sure driving the Capela trade train but there is a few different ways to look at it if the acquisition price was right and ways to manage the fact that he is getting paid a chunk of money that is somewhere in the neighborhood of market value. As things stand right now IDK why Atlanta would want Beasley but I'm pretty sure the Wolves aren't going to be interested in giving up #19 for Capela. Atlanta already has a 1st round pick in this draft and a 2nd rounder at #44. Is wonder if they would prefer a future 2nd round pick unless they are going to try and move up and get a guy in this draft or something.
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