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I take the best player no matter what. At a minimum you can then flip the player for much more if he does demand a trade in say a couple years. If I am Rosas I take Wiseman either way or trade down if a super good deal is offered.

Q12543 wrote:If someone is avoiding the Wolves that should be a green light to draft him. It means he's a pretty smart dude! Didn't Curry do the same thing?

Not going to lie Q, I laughed.

And yep, Curry did the same thing, and was a reason that Kahn listed for not drafting him. But hey, at least we got Johnny Flynn.

mrhockey89 wrote:

Q12543 wrote:If someone is avoiding the Wolves that should be a green light to draft him. It means he's a pretty smart dude! Didn't Curry do the same thing?

Not going to lie Q, I laughed.

And yep, Curry did the same thing, and was a reason that Kahn listed for not drafting him. But hey, at least we got Johnny Flynn.

And Rubio! And Ty Lawson!

If you guys wanna torture yourselves more this awful year, go back and look at the whole 2009 draft and see the former wolves and the 2nd rounders we passed on. It didn't stop after Curry.

I have this feeling that the Wolves will target Toppin in a trade down. I would prefer to just take Wiseman and have felt that way since the lottery. But if the Wolves have decided that Wiseman isn't the guy for them I would make a play for MJ's affinity for gambling and make this offer. #1 for #3 and their unprotected #1 in 2021 IF the Wolves have to convey theirs to GS. If the Wolves win into the top 3 then the Hornets pick will move to 2022, say top 5 protected until it conveys. This ensures the Wolves are in line for next years loaded class but also a decent bet for the Hornets as the Wolves will likely have a good shot at a top 3 pick meaning the value of the future pick is lessened. IMO a lottery pick next year is more valuable to this team than what Charlotte or most other teams can\will give personnel wise. If Charlotte really likes Wiseman that much, I'd play that angle.

BizarroJerry wrote:

mrhockey89 wrote:

Q12543 wrote:If someone is avoiding the Wolves that should be a green light to draft him. It means he's a pretty smart dude! Didn't Curry do the same thing?

Not going to lie Q, I laughed.

And yep, Curry did the same thing, and was a reason that Kahn listed for not drafting him. But hey, at least we got Johnny Flynn.

And Rubio! And Ty Lawson!

If you guys wanna torture yourselves more this awful year, go back and look at the whole 2009 draft and see the former wolves and the 2nd rounders we passed on. It didn't stop after Curry.

I don't have a problem with the Rubio pick, and still feel like that was the right pick. The problem was that they picked Flynn #6 over Curry (a historic 3 point shooter and great passer to go with a playmaking passer who defers like Rubio would have been great if you ask me). Thinking back at that draft off memory, I can't think of anyone else available at #6 that would have been a more obvious pick than Curry there, aside potentially DeRozan (who would have also been a much better pick than Flynn). I was actually impressed that Kahn was able to turn an aging Mike Miller (who was going to leave in a year anyway) and Randy Foye into the #5 pick (Rubio). It's a shame he blew the other side of that at #6.

mrhockey89 wrote:

BizarroJerry wrote:

mrhockey89 wrote:

Q12543 wrote:If someone is avoiding the Wolves that should be a green light to draft him. It means he's a pretty smart dude! Didn't Curry do the same thing?

Not going to lie Q, I laughed.

And yep, Curry did the same thing, and was a reason that Kahn listed for not drafting him. But hey, at least we got Johnny Flynn.

And Rubio! And Ty Lawson!

If you guys wanna torture yourselves more this awful year, go back and look at the whole 2009 draft and see the former wolves and the 2nd rounders we passed on. It didn't stop after Curry.

I don't have a problem with the Rubio pick, and still feel like that was the right pick. The problem was that they picked Flynn #6 over Curry (a historic 3 point shooter and great passer to go with a playmaking passer who defers like Rubio would have been great if you ask me). Thinking back at that draft off memory, I can't think of anyone else available at #6 that would have been a more obvious pick than Curry there, aside potentially DeRozan (who would have also been a much better pick than Flynn). I was actually impressed that Kahn was able to turn an aging Mike Miller (who was going to leave in a year anyway) and Randy Foye into the #5 pick (Rubio). It's a shame he blew the other side of that at #6.

Agreed. We had 6 picks that year. Danny Green was picked right in between our 2nd round picks. Also in the 2nd went Patrick Beverely, Jodie Meeks, Jonas Jerebko, DeJuan Blair, Patty Mills. DeMarre Carroll and Taj Gibson were late 1st rounders.

mrhockey89 wrote:

BizarroJerry wrote:

mrhockey89 wrote:

Q12543 wrote:If someone is avoiding the Wolves that should be a green light to draft him. It means he's a pretty smart dude! Didn't Curry do the same thing?

Not going to lie Q, I laughed.

And yep, Curry did the same thing, and was a reason that Kahn listed for not drafting him. But hey, at least we got Johnny Flynn.

And Rubio! And Ty Lawson!

If you guys wanna torture yourselves more this awful year, go back and look at the whole 2009 draft and see the former wolves and the 2nd rounders we passed on. It didn't stop after Curry.

I don't have a problem with the Rubio pick, and still feel like that was the right pick. The problem was that they picked Flynn #6 over Curry (a historic 3 point shooter and great passer to go with a playmaking passer who defers like Rubio would have been great if you ask me). Thinking back at that draft off memory, I can't think of anyone else available at #6 that would have been a more obvious pick than Curry there, aside potentially DeRozan (who would have also been a much better pick than Flynn). I was actually impressed that Kahn was able to turn an aging Mike Miller (who was going to leave in a year anyway) and Randy Foye into the #5 pick (Rubio). It's a shame he blew the other side of that at #6.

I agree, Hockey. I was at the Wolves draft party back then. The Rubio pick whipped the crowd into a state of euphoria. Then the crowd quickly turned to chants of Curry, Curry. Just about everyone there thought the Wolves would and should draft Curry. But then David Kahn did his thing.

Note that Curry's reason for not wanting the Wolves to draft him had nothing to with the Wolves as a franchise or the Minnesota weather. His only reason was that he wanted to play PG and the Wolves had just drafted Rubio. That shouldn't have mattered to Kahn. You draft the guy you consider the best player for your franchise regardless of that player's preference.

Windy keeps pushing the "Wiseman doesn't want to play for the Wolves" story. Here's his latest:

"Wiseman does not want to come to Minnesota because Karl Towns is there. Wiseman doesn't even want to do anything with the Wolves."

Again, I think this story is false and a sophomoric effort by another organization (probably the Warriors) to manipulate the Wolves draft decision. And Brian Windhorst (Windy) is, once again, pathetically serving as a team's lapdog conduit for passing false information.

Being the #1 pick brings extra money and prestige. Therefore, it makes no sense for Wiseman to discourage the Wolves from making him the top pick in the draft. In fact, he's been publicly arguing why he should be the top pick.

If Wiseman's grand plan is to be the #1 pick but play for a team other than the Wolves, his agent can convey that desire to Rosas privately and work with the Wolves front office to make that happen through a trade. Leaking a desire to not play for the Wolves will make it harder for the Wolves to get value for him and, thereby, reduce the chances of a trade.

Again, I think this is false information planted by the Warriors or Hornets to manipulate the Wolves into passing on Wiseman or diminish the Wolves trade leverage.

The only thing I'd read into this story is that the Wolves are inclined to draft Wiseman. My sense is that other teams have gotten wind of that inclination and one of those teams decided to use Windy (pun intended) to plant this false story.

If anything, this story confirms for me that the Wolves should draft Wiseman. Just in case Wiseman has any concerns about playing for the Wolves because KAT is here, Rosas and Ryan should call him and his agent and outline their vision of the two versatile bigs playing together as a modern-day version of the twin towers that can revolutionize the NBA game. But Wiseman and his agent are probably smart enough to figure that out on their own. Again, you don't use the top pick to draft and keep a player unless you intend to intend to start him. So Wiseman's camp can't possibly be concerned that he'll somehow be lost on the end of the bench. The Wolves should take Wiseman with the intent to keep him and let the offers roll in. If they get a sufficiently enticing offer, then they can deal him. If not, let the new twin towers era in the NBA begin!

By the way, does anyone really believe Rosas or Gupta hasn't already spoken with Wiseman and/or his agent? Does anyone really believe that Rosas has been calling Wiseman's agent and leaving messages with no response? Of course Rosas or Gupta has talked with Wiseman's agent. And if they haven't already spoken with Wiseman, they will before Nov. 18.

BizarroJerry wrote:

mrhockey89 wrote:

BizarroJerry wrote:

mrhockey89 wrote:

Q12543 wrote:If someone is avoiding the Wolves that should be a green light to draft him. It means he's a pretty smart dude! Didn't Curry do the same thing?

Not going to lie Q, I laughed.

And yep, Curry did the same thing, and was a reason that Kahn listed for not drafting him. But hey, at least we got Johnny Flynn.

And Rubio! And Ty Lawson!

If you guys wanna torture yourselves more this awful year, go back and look at the whole 2009 draft and see the former wolves and the 2nd rounders we passed on. It didn't stop after Curry.

I don't have a problem with the Rubio pick, and still feel like that was the right pick. The problem was that they picked Flynn #6 over Curry (a historic 3 point shooter and great passer to go with a playmaking passer who defers like Rubio would have been great if you ask me). Thinking back at that draft off memory, I can't think of anyone else available at #6 that would have been a more obvious pick than Curry there, aside potentially DeRozan (who would have also been a much better pick than Flynn). I was actually impressed that Kahn was able to turn an aging Mike Miller (who was going to leave in a year anyway) and Randy Foye into the #5 pick (Rubio). It's a shame he blew the other side of that at #6.

Agreed. We had 6 picks that year. Danny Green was picked right in between our 2nd round picks. Also in the 2nd went Patrick Beverely, Jodie Meeks, Jonas Jerebko, DeJuan Blair, Patty Mills. DeMarre Carroll and Taj Gibson were late 1st rounders.

Other than Rubio, what an unmitigated disaster. We've said this before, but you could put a blindfold on and grab some darts, throw our picks at a draft board and have come out better than what happened in the Kahn years with him and his dumb scouts using whatever process they implemented. It wasn't just this draft either!