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Q12543 wrote:
Camden wrote:
Wolves IG:

"Jaylen Nowell has scored in double figures off the bench in eight games this month, while shooting 38.1% from three."


I'm leaving this fun-but-meaningless stat here because I think Nowell will be the guy that gets a significant bump in playing time with Malik Beasley being suspended. My hope is that he continues to display a natural scoring ability as well as a reliable outside shot. It's been mentioned before in the past, but it's conceivable that Nowell could replace Beasley on this roster at some point for whatever reason -- perhaps if Beasley were included in a trade package for a bigger fish -- and this is setting up to be a trial run in a way.


Totally agree. I don't think Nowell quite has the flamethrower game that Beasley has from outside, but Beasley himself took a few years to get this prolific. I also think Nowell may have slightly better handles and passing chops. We'll see what he does with this opportunity. Culver will likely be pushing him for minutes, but we need Nowell's scoring.



The Wolves absolutely need to find out what they can get from Culver.

It would indicate a HUGE WHIFF if the #6 pick can't find consistent run and decent minutes in his 2nd season for the worst team in the league.

Is Rosas already willing to write off his first draft pick who he traded up to get?
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AbeVigodaLive wrote:
Q12543 wrote:
Camden wrote:
Wolves IG:

"Jaylen Nowell has scored in double figures off the bench in eight games this month, while shooting 38.1% from three."


I'm leaving this fun-but-meaningless stat here because I think Nowell will be the guy that gets a significant bump in playing time with Malik Beasley being suspended. My hope is that he continues to display a natural scoring ability as well as a reliable outside shot. It's been mentioned before in the past, but it's conceivable that Nowell could replace Beasley on this roster at some point for whatever reason -- perhaps if Beasley were included in a trade package for a bigger fish -- and this is setting up to be a trial run in a way.


Totally agree. I don't think Nowell quite has the flamethrower game that Beasley has from outside, but Beasley himself took a few years to get this prolific. I also think Nowell may have slightly better handles and passing chops. We'll see what he does with this opportunity. Culver will likely be pushing him for minutes, but we need Nowell's scoring.



The Wolves absolutely need to find out what they can get from Culver.

It would indicate a HUGE WHIFF if the #6 pick can't find consistent run and decent minutes in his 2nd season for the worst team in the league.

Is Rosas already willing to write off his first draft pick who he traded up to get?


Well, we saw quite a bit of him before his injury and he was not good. The reality is there is no choice now but to play him. With Beasley out for 12 games AND Dlo on the shelf AND McLaughlin on a 2-way that limits his games, we are running out of bodies in the backcourt. We're going to see plenty of our 2nd year SGs in coming weeks.
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Q12543 wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
Q12543 wrote:
Camden wrote:
Wolves IG:

"Jaylen Nowell has scored in double figures off the bench in eight games this month, while shooting 38.1% from three."


I'm leaving this fun-but-meaningless stat here because I think Nowell will be the guy that gets a significant bump in playing time with Malik Beasley being suspended. My hope is that he continues to display a natural scoring ability as well as a reliable outside shot. It's been mentioned before in the past, but it's conceivable that Nowell could replace Beasley on this roster at some point for whatever reason -- perhaps if Beasley were included in a trade package for a bigger fish -- and this is setting up to be a trial run in a way.


Totally agree. I don't think Nowell quite has the flamethrower game that Beasley has from outside, but Beasley himself took a few years to get this prolific. I also think Nowell may have slightly better handles and passing chops. We'll see what he does with this opportunity. Culver will likely be pushing him for minutes, but we need Nowell's scoring.



The Wolves absolutely need to find out what they can get from Culver.

It would indicate a HUGE WHIFF if the #6 pick can't find consistent run and decent minutes in his 2nd season for the worst team in the league.

Is Rosas already willing to write off his first draft pick who he traded up to get?


Well, we saw quite a bit of him before his injury and he was not good. The reality is there is no choice now but to play him. With Beasley out for 12 games AND Dlo on the shelf AND McLaughlin on a 2-way that limits his games, we are running out of bodies in the backcourt. We're going to see plenty of our 2nd year SGs in coming weeks.


If Nowell ends up being basically the level of talent Culver was supposed to be move on from Culver or adjust the expectations for him going forward and move on. Some or worthwhile organizations make up for draft mistakes by ending up with better players added with less valuable means. I haven't given up on Culver being more than a rotation player at best but I'd like to see what we have in Nowell. It seems like he has deserved more of a look when he has played this year. If we are going to have all these young guys let's have some meritocracy to some extent.
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I can't wait for Okogie to get all those extra minutes...
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I think 12 games is fair. I respect Beasley's apology and am cautiously optimistic that this was an opportunity for him to mature. The reports on what happened was insane and Im happy there is a resolution and hope Malik can continue to be a solid player for us.
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I'm generally not a conspiracy guy, and unlike the majority on this board, not quite as negative about Glen Taylor. But having said that, I'm at least 75% convinced Glen had a large part in determining Malik's sentence. Glen has a lot of influence in the NBA coach's club, and he's a smart business man...you don't become a self-made billionaire by being stupid. The $1 million+ Beasley is forfeiting goes right into Glen's pocket. But more importantly, my understanding is that this amount is just enough to get Glen under the lux tax threshold, and that will result in even a greater savings. This season is going nowhere...again. If you're Glen, and you can save a few million dollars by sitting a player for 12 games, don't you do it? Seems awfully convenient to me.

I guess I don't begrudge Glen this move, if my conjecture is correct. There's a silver lining, because I'm curious to see if either Nowell or Culver can step up, and now they have a chance to prove themselves. But I also acknowledge it's a little slimy by Glen.
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FNG wrote:I'm generally not a conspiracy guy, and unlike the majority on this board, not quite as negative about Glen Taylor. But having said that, I'm at least 75% convinced Glen had a large part in determining Malik's sentence. Glen has a lot of influence in the NBA coach's club, and he's a smart business man...you don't become a self-made billionaire by being stupid. The $1 million+ Beasley is forfeiting goes right into Glen's pocket. But more importantly, my understanding is that this amount is just enough to get Glen under the lux tax threshold, and that will result in even a greater savings. This season is going nowhere...again. If you're Glen, and you can save a few million dollars by sitting a player for 12 games, don't you do it? Seems awfully convenient to me.

I guess I don't begrudge Glen this move, if my conjecture is correct. There's a silver lining, because I'm curious to see if either Nowell or Culver can step up, and now they have a chance to prove themselves. But I also acknowledge it's a little slimy by Glen.


There certainly is incentive there. I was curious so I did a little digging around and this what I found.

I read somewhere that any violent felony must come with a 10 game suspension. If that's true then 12 games seems reasonable. Of I'm not sure if "Threats of violence" qualifies as a violent felony.

Meanwhile Sporttrac says Beasley's suspension is like 1.2 million. That's based on 1/145th of his base compensation for each game he misses. I also not sure if all that money is exempt from the cap it may only be 50% or something.

It doesn't seem like there is enough information to make me think Glen did something underhanded to save a few hundred thousand bucks over whatever the suspension may have been.

Regardless even if the Wolves only save 600k against the cap it's a decent little chunk considering their cap position. It would be nice if they actually used that space on a player at some point. The way things are now it might be smart to just put that money towards locking in McLaughlin on a multi year deal.
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I just read the Beasley article in the Strib about how he is an "improved man" after his month-long suspension. I'm mostly cynical when it comes to the off-court behavior of NBA players and I normally would roll my eyes at an article like this...especially since I found his actions that got him suspended so despicable. But somehow I give Malik a break that I might not give other guys. Maybe it's because Nuggets-fans friends of mine who liked him in Denver told me we were getting a good guy after the trade. Maybe it's because of how he comports himself in interviews. Maybe it's because he hasn't ducked the media after his stupid actions. Whatever the reason, I look at his gun incident as being totally out-of-character...heinous though it was.

He was awful at both ends of the court in his return, but the offensive struggles were to be expected. Maybe his garbage time baskets were good in getting his confidence and shot back. He's never going to be a decent defender and I would prefer him playing a 6th man role (with Rubio and DLO as the starting backcourt), but his return will provide some outside shooting that has been missing. He's an easy guy to cheer for on the court, because despite his defensive futility, I seldom question his effort there like I do Ant and DLO. Maybe I'm being too charitable, but I'm going to put his gun escapade behind me.
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I'm always dubious when somebody (1) claims they're "good" or "funny" or "improved" or whatever... and I question it even more when (2) that about-face happens in such a short amount of time.

About 24 years of experience culminated into the moment when Beasley raised the gun. About the same for parading in front of paparazzi with his new squeeze. About 22 years went into fighting in a hotel lobby over a woman.

One month of punishment... "improved" him. Meh.

As with everything else with this organization... from Glen Taylor to Rosas to Finch to Towns to Beasley to McDaniels... show me. Don't tell me.
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FNG wrote:I just read the Beasley article in the Strib about how he is an "improved man" after his month-long suspension. I'm mostly cynical when it comes to the off-court behavior of NBA players and I normally would roll my eyes at an article like this...especially since I found his actions that got him suspended so despicable. But somehow I give Malik a break that I might not give other guys. Maybe it's because Nuggets-fans friends of mine who liked him in Denver told me we were getting a good guy after the trade. Maybe it's because of how he comports himself in interviews. Maybe it's because he hasn't ducked the media after his stupid actions. Whatever the reason, I look at his gun incident as being totally out-of-character...heinous though it was.

He was awful at both ends of the court in his return, but the offensive struggles were to be expected. Maybe his garbage time baskets were good in getting his confidence and shot back. He's never going to be a decent defender and I would prefer him playing a 6th man role (with Rubio and DLO as the starting backcourt), but his return will provide some outside shooting that has been missing. He's an easy guy to cheer for on the court, because despite his defensive futility, I seldom question his effort there like I do Ant and DLO. Maybe I'm being too charitable, but I'm going to put his gun escapade behind me.


I'm not that concerned with threats in general and his was as bad as one can be so I'm not going to minimize what he supposedly did. I just think we are being too soft as a society with all the PC nonsense over words and anything said or done could or couldn't be taken as a threat. Some of it has become comical.

To me actions are exponentially worse then any supposed threat. This is probably the wrong time to bring it up as what he supposedly did, you can't get any worse really without actually harming someone.

I guess the reason I bring this up is that the media and GOV have been furiously trying to overthrow the 1st and 2nd amendments so we have to be careful about getting "upset" over silly words, not related to what Beas supposedly did of course which I think it is fair to say was worthy of being a real threat. You point a gun and say I am going to kill you or your baby, that is reasonable to me as a threat.

So kind of off topic. I think he probably is a good guy, he was having problems with his former GF or whatever, I;m sure. He handled it poorly. IDK the details but we can imagine.
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