Dangling #1

[kekgeek]

Would you do John Collins for #1. Rumors are they don't want to pay collins

[Coolbreeze44]

Would you do John Collins for #1. Rumors are they don't want to pay collins

I would not. Good player but not enough for the asset we're talking about.

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

Would you do John Collins for #1. Rumors are they don't want to pay collins

I'm just taking Wiseman over literally any Center that's a realistic get with this pick. There's just no reason to get a veteran Center who costs a good chunk of money in a league devaluing the position when I can draft one for much cheaper and potentially get an All-Star out of it.

[Monster]

OK, I'm continuing with my preference for trading down from #1 for some combination of picks and players rather than trading completely out for a star. I like Wild's idea of swapping with the Knicks and getting picks for next year's draft. Here are some other potential swap deals to think about:

1. WOLVES/CAVS: Wolves #1 (& maybe #33) + Evans & Spellman to Cavs for their #5 + Garland. Not sure the Cavs would go for this. It depends on how much they covet any of the guys likely to be gone by #5. Sexton is their star to build around. He's a scoring PG. Perhaps the Cavs covet Ball and see him as a potential superstar playmaker to pair with the star scoring guard Sexton. Or perhaps they covet Edwards who they see as another dynamic scoring guard to pair with Sexton, in which case Sexton function more in the PG role. Or perhaps they covet Wiseman who then see as the Joe Embiid caliber big who would be the perfect complement to their backcourt star Sexton. Garland did not have a very impressive season this past year, so perhaps the Cavs consider him readily expendable. Why should the Wolves be interested in Garland? Although he had an underwhelming rookie season, it's important to remember that he only played a handful of college games before he was drafted and was coming off an injury that kept him off the practice floor for an extended time before his rookie season. And not that he still hit 35.5% of his threes last season on a fairly robust volume of 5 attempts per game. I still see him becoming an terrific 3-point shooter in the NBA and he has that ball-on-string ball-handling that will eventually make him a very good NBA PG.

2. WOLVES/PISTONS: Wolves #1 (& maybe #33) + Evans & Spellman to Pistons for their #7 + Kennard. Hard to see the Pistons giving up Kennard in this deal, but again, it depends on how much they covet any particular prospects who are likely to be gone by #7 versus how much they like the guys likely to still be available at that point in the draft. Even in this draft, moving up from #7 to #1 is a big deal and should command a pretty hefty return. Another variation would be Doumbouya instead of Kennard, in which case I'd insist on also getting Detroit's 2021 first round pick with lottery protection for two seasons before becoming unprotected. I'm still intrigued by Doumbouya, although he had a terrible rookie season.

3. WOLVES/HAWKS: Wolves #1 & #33 + Evans, Johnson & Spellman to Hawks for their #6 + Clint Capella.

4. WOLVES/HAWKS: Wolves #1 & #33 + Evans and Spellman to Hawks for their #6 and Kevin Huerter.

All of these suggested deals really hinge on the other team's level of desire for particularly players likely to be gone by their respective picks compared to how much they like the guys likely to still be available. The Wolves could potentially substitute #17 for #33 if it would get any of these deals across the threshold.

The deal involving Capella is the only one that I see clearly moving the needle positively for the Wolves. But I see all of them as significantly positive for the Wolves mainly because I think the Wolves can do just as well picking at 5, 6, 7, or 8 as they could at #1. That just reflects my doubts about Ball, Edwards and Wiseman. I'm very high on Okongwu and fairly high on Avdija, Vassell, Haliburton and Patrick Williams. At least one of those 5 will be available at ## 5, 6, 7 and 8.

If Capella was going to come here it would have happened a few months ago as he went to the Hawks because they wanted him From Houston and the Wolves didn't.

[worldK]

OK, I'm continuing with my preference for trading down from #1 for some combination of picks and players rather than trading completely out for a star. I like Wild's idea of swapping with the Knicks and getting picks for next year's draft. Here are some other potential swap deals to think about:

1. WOLVES/CAVS: Wolves #1 (& maybe #33) + Evans & Spellman to Cavs for their #5 + Garland. Not sure the Cavs would go for this. It depends on how much they covet any of the guys likely to be gone by #5. Sexton is their star to build around. He's a scoring PG. Perhaps the Cavs covet Ball and see him as a potential superstar playmaker to pair with the star scoring guard Sexton. Or perhaps they covet Edwards who they see as another dynamic scoring guard to pair with Sexton, in which case Sexton function more in the PG role. Or perhaps they covet Wiseman who then see as the Joe Embiid caliber big who would be the perfect complement to their backcourt star Sexton. Garland did not have a very impressive season this past year, so perhaps the Cavs consider him readily expendable. Why should the Wolves be interested in Garland? Although he had an underwhelming rookie season, it's important to remember that he only played a handful of college games before he was drafted and was coming off an injury that kept him off the practice floor for an extended time before his rookie season. And not that he still hit 35.5% of his threes last season on a fairly robust volume of 5 attempts per game. I still see him becoming an terrific 3-point shooter in the NBA and he has that ball-on-string ball-handling that will eventually make him a very good NBA PG.

2. WOLVES/PISTONS: Wolves #1 (& maybe #33) + Evans & Spellman to Pistons for their #7 + Kennard. Hard to see the Pistons giving up Kennard in this deal, but again, it depends on how much they covet any particular prospects who are likely to be gone by #7 versus how much they like the guys likely to still be available at that point in the draft. Even in this draft, moving up from #7 to #1 is a big deal and should command a pretty hefty return. Another variation would be Doumbouya instead of Kennard, in which case I'd insist on also getting Detroit's 2021 first round pick with lottery protection for two seasons before becoming unprotected. I'm still intrigued by Doumbouya, although he had a terrible rookie season.

3. WOLVES/HAWKS: Wolves #1 & #33 + Evans, Johnson & Spellman to Hawks for their #6 + Clint Capella.

4. WOLVES/HAWKS: Wolves #1 & #33 + Evans and Spellman to Hawks for their #6 and Kevin Huerter.

All of these suggested deals really hinge on the other team's level of desire for particularly players likely to be gone by their respective picks compared to how much they like the guys likely to still be available. The Wolves could potentially substitute #17 for #33 if it would get any of these deals across the threshold.

The deal involving Capella is the only one that I see clearly moving the needle positively for the Wolves. But I see all of them as significantly positive for the Wolves mainly because I think the Wolves can do just as well picking at 5, 6, 7, or 8 as they could at #1. That just reflects my doubts about Ball, Edwards and Wiseman. I'm very high on Okongwu and fairly high on Avdija, Vassell, Haliburton and Patrick Williams. At least one of those 5 will be available at ## 5, 6, 7 and 8.

Lip, Im SHOCKED that you didnt have your guy john collins coming our way in your proposed deal with atlanta. What happenend man?

That said, im taking wiseman with those options. I can see the positive of the capela deal. But I think he would have been here already if rosas can envision him playing next to KAT. With wiseman, you would hope for a potentially better shooter who has a much higher ceiling than clint.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

I'd be intrigued with trading down in one of Lip's scenarios above and landing Vassell. He seems to be the #1 defender in this class with some shooting potential. Lord knows we can't have enough of these types of guys given "the system" which avoids playing more than one big and is currently built around a couple of sieves in DLO and KAT. Beasley isn't much better defensively, but at least he tries hard.

Culver/Okogie/Vassell can share SF and backup SG minutes to ensure we always have a dirty-work defensive wing or two on the floor.

[Lipoli390]

OK, I'm continuing with my preference for trading down from #1 for some combination of picks and players rather than trading completely out for a star. I like Wild's idea of swapping with the Knicks and getting picks for next year's draft. Here are some other potential swap deals to think about:

1. WOLVES/CAVS: Wolves #1 (& maybe #33) + Evans & Spellman to Cavs for their #5 + Garland. Not sure the Cavs would go for this. It depends on how much they covet any of the guys likely to be gone by #5. Sexton is their star to build around. He's a scoring PG. Perhaps the Cavs covet Ball and see him as a potential superstar playmaker to pair with the star scoring guard Sexton. Or perhaps they covet Edwards who they see as another dynamic scoring guard to pair with Sexton, in which case Sexton function more in the PG role. Or perhaps they covet Wiseman who then see as the Joe Embiid caliber big who would be the perfect complement to their backcourt star Sexton. Garland did not have a very impressive season this past year, so perhaps the Cavs consider him readily expendable. Why should the Wolves be interested in Garland? Although he had an underwhelming rookie season, it's important to remember that he only played a handful of college games before he was drafted and was coming off an injury that kept him off the practice floor for an extended time before his rookie season. And not that he still hit 35.5% of his threes last season on a fairly robust volume of 5 attempts per game. I still see him becoming an terrific 3-point shooter in the NBA and he has that ball-on-string ball-handling that will eventually make him a very good NBA PG.

2. WOLVES/PISTONS: Wolves #1 (& maybe #33) + Evans & Spellman to Pistons for their #7 + Kennard. Hard to see the Pistons giving up Kennard in this deal, but again, it depends on how much they covet any particular prospects who are likely to be gone by #7 versus how much they like the guys likely to still be available at that point in the draft. Even in this draft, moving up from #7 to #1 is a big deal and should command a pretty hefty return. Another variation would be Doumbouya instead of Kennard, in which case I'd insist on also getting Detroit's 2021 first round pick with lottery protection for two seasons before becoming unprotected. I'm still intrigued by Doumbouya, although he had a terrible rookie season.

3. WOLVES/HAWKS: Wolves #1 & #33 + Evans, Johnson & Spellman to Hawks for their #6 + Clint Capella.

4. WOLVES/HAWKS: Wolves #1 & #33 + Evans and Spellman to Hawks for their #6 and Kevin Huerter.

All of these suggested deals really hinge on the other team's level of desire for particularly players likely to be gone by their respective picks compared to how much they like the guys likely to still be available. The Wolves could potentially substitute #17 for #33 if it would get any of these deals across the threshold.

The deal involving Capella is the only one that I see clearly moving the needle positively for the Wolves. But I see all of them as significantly positive for the Wolves mainly because I think the Wolves can do just as well picking at 5, 6, 7, or 8 as they could at #1. That just reflects my doubts about Ball, Edwards and Wiseman. I'm very high on Okongwu and fairly high on Avdija, Vassell, Haliburton and Patrick Williams. At least one of those 5 will be available at ## 5, 6, 7 and 8.

Lip, Im SHOCKED that you didnt have your guy john collins coming our way in your proposed deal with atlanta. What happenend man?

That said, im taking wiseman with those options. I can see the positive of the capela deal. But I think he would have been here already if rosas can envision him playing next to KAT. With wiseman, you would hope for a potentially better shooter who has a much higher ceiling than clint.

World - I can't begin to tell you how painful it was to put together a list of suggested trades without including my guy Collins. But I'm pretty singularly focused on adding defensive players and sadly that's not John Collins. I agree that the Wolves would have probably already acquired Capella if Rosas were interested in bringing him here. Rosas must have concluded that Capella wouldn't fit our "system." And I guess our system doesn't include defense. It certainly doesn't include more than one big on the floor. And that's why I doubt the Wolves will draft Wiseman or Okongwu. Rosas talks about the organization's vision. Apparently, their vision is one defensively challenged big (KAT/Naz) on the floor on the floor surrounded by a bunch of smaller running, gunning defensive matadors.

[WildWolf2813]

Here's an interesting proposal:

Wolves trade #1, Omari Spellman and Jacob Evans to the Knicks for #8, 2021 unprotected first, Dallas 2021 first rounder, and Kevin Knox.


the logic behind this for the Knicks is that they'd get their guy, but for us, the logic would be this: if the team can't get their hands on Booker/Simmons/Beal/whoever, so be it. If things change in a year, the Wolves won't have the same ammo to make a run for them. If Anthony Edwards or whoever at 1 is amazing, you're not gonna wanna move him. If he's anything short of that, nobody will value him as much as they do now. However, if things change, now you've reset your assets to potentially have the ammo you have now as well as adding #8 and Knox. Now, the Wolves have probably been scouting as if they were gonna drop anyway, so they probably have a good idea of guys like Hayes, Haliburton, Nesmith, Vassell, Okoro. The expectation level won't be there, so good rookie seasons by them can enhance their stock.

You can free up a roster spot (if the Wolves bring Beasley back they'll have 13 guaranteed deals not including 1, 17, and 33 and they might still want Juancho or someone else with the MLE), bring in a depressed asset in Knox who just turned 21 yesterday and is younger than Culver who can back up at SF/PF, and still have the ability to monitor the trade market knowing you have more assets to go get them. Keeps one eye on today and one eye on tomorrow.

For argument's sake we'll say Vassell falls to them at 8.

C Towns/Reid/Vanderbilt
PF Johnson /Layman/Knox
SF Culver /Okogie
SG Beasley /Vassell (8) /Nowell
PG Russell /(back-up PG at 17 or 33)

#17 or 33 you can draft & stash. More importantly, you still have the MLE, you still have flexibility to trade James Johnson in a trade package and now you have a 2021 Knicks first rounder and Dallas' first.

I was a fan of Knox's potential in that draft but at this point what is the realistic hope for the guy? He looks like he got worse this year. He is shooting under 40% from 2 this year. Spellman might be the better player not that I am saying we need to keep him but really Knox...can we just do that deal and leave him out of it and use that roster spot on someone else that's cheaper?

Does anyone know what the Hornets want to do? Could we sucker them somehow?

His best asset now is that he's a young guy who went to Kentucky. He's more or less a throw-in, but at least he's a throw-in that can put these developmental coaches to work to see if he can be unlocked. Besides, the Knicks don't have much in the way of viable prospects.


Spellman on the other hand, it seems like the team doesn't really want him here and he doesn't wanna be here, so maybe the Knicks would find him to be of similar value.

[Volans19]

What do y'all think about trying to get Lavine back from the bulls? Defense would be a wreck but our offense would be filthy.

Not sure there would be a way to get 4 and Lavine but that would be incredible

[Lipoli390]

What do y'all think about trying to get Lavine back from the bulls? Defense would be a wreck but our offense would be filthy.

Not sure there would be a way to get 4 and Lavine but that would be incredible

Well, I'm a big LaVine fan and didn't like the decision to trade him for Butler. But at this point, I don't think it makes sense to trade for him if we're going to re-sign Beasley. If the Wolves front office is competent, they already have a very good idea of whether they want Beasley back, how much they'd be willing to pay him and whether Beasley would re-sign for the amount they're willing to pay. From what I've heard, the Wolves want to re-sign him and he wants to be here. I'd swap picks with the Bulls in exchange for their 2021 1st round pick (top 4 protected in 2021, top 2 protected in 2022 and unprotected in 2023). If he Wolves don't expect or want to bring Beasley back, then I'd consider swapping picks with the Bulls with LaVine included in the package.