Wolves Waive RHJ

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

The Hernangomez deal is just an atrocity if we were worried about pushing up against the luxury tax with vet minimum guys. What a fucking joke. Get Rosas out of here now.

[D-Mac [enjin:19736340]]

The Hernangomez deal is just an atrocity if we were worried about pushing up against the luxury tax with vet minimum guys. What a fucking joke. Get Rosas out of here now.

Yep, that clown was just worried about his trade looking bad if he didn't resign hgomoz.

He's a vet minimum guy at best. Shouldn't even be taking a roster spot on our team

[WildWolf2813]

If they're releasing him to have the flexibility to eventually convert McLaughlin, that's what you guys wanted more than RHJ. If RHJ was getting any sort of PT, then something went terribly wrong.


No surprise this forum is crying over the release of a 15th man on a nonguaranteed deal. The reaction here would be less harsh if he cut Towns.

[Lipoli390]

Nice try, Monster. But there's no reasonable justification for this latest move by Rosas.

1. Breathing space to sign someone else? If they bring RHJ back, they have no roster spots for someone else. If they want to fill his slot with another free agent, who are they going to sign for the same money or more up to $3 million per year?

2. Looking at possible trades? They could easily include him as part of any trade if necessary. He's a valuable asset with a League minimum deal that expires the end of this season.

The only sense I can possibly make of this is that they know of a particular player or two they expect to be released by other teams and they want to have a roster spot and room under the luxury tax to sign that player. We'll know soon whether that's true.

[Lipoli390]

The Hernangomez deal is just an atrocity if we were worried about pushing up against the luxury tax with vet minimum guys. What a fucking joke. Get Rosas out of here now.

David Kahn is looking like a genius by comparison.

[Monster]

Nice try, Monster. But there's no reasonable justification for this latest move by Rosas.

1. Breathing space to sign someone else? If they bring RHJ back, they have no roster spots for someone else. If they want to fill his slot with another free agent, who are they going to sign for the same money or more up to $3 million per year?

2. Looking at possible trades? They could easily include him as part of any trade if necessary. He's a valuable asset with a League minimum deal that expires the end of this season.

The only sense I can possibly make of this is that they know of a particular player or two they expect to be released by other teams and they want to have a roster spot and room under the luxury tax to sign that player. We'll know soon whether that's true.

I personally like to try and figure things out. I must not have written my post well it didn't seem like you got the point of the salary cap issues they could face. For example if someone was hurt for the season they would be able to sign another player that's one scenario that means they add another guy and If they kept RHJ it would put them over the luxury tax although it's somewhat unlikely to happen that soon...you never know. There have been guys hurt in the first week of the season before.

Something else to consider if the Wolves are planning on bringing RHJ in a while to save some precious cap space...RHJ signed a camp deal so likely an exhibit 10 deal which can include up to 50k guaranteed and none of that money that goes to those players counts against the cap. So the Wolves have already likely given him 50k so that's a little something. Are they nickel and dime their way around here? Yep. Lots of teams have had to do the same thing. It admittedly looks worse for the Wolves than when say a team like Miami has done it.

It sounds easy to include a player like RHJ but teams waive perfectly useful players all the time because they don't have the roster space or don't want to pay them. Both in terms of trade and what may happen the next few days weeks etc let's not lose sign of the fact that RHJ signed here for a non-guaranteed deal for the vet min. I guess he didn't have other great offers right? Will there be a team that decides to pick him up over a guy they have or some other player that gets let go? Idk we are gonna find out. There are some other worthwhile players that never even got signed.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

If they're releasing him to have the flexibility to eventually convert McLaughlin, that's what you guys wanted more than RHJ. If RHJ was getting any sort of PT, then something went terribly wrong.

No surprise this forum is crying over the release of a 15th man on a nonguaranteed deal. The reaction here would be less harsh if he cut Towns.

1. They already had that flexibility with Jordan McLaughlin by getting him to sign his qualifying offer and stay as a two-way player. There's no 45-day limit for two-way players this season. Travel days and practices won't be counted towards active days. He will be able to be active for up to 50 games. The Wolves could simply re-sign him next summer on a NBA deal, assuming he plays well this season.

2. Some of us, myself included, wanted Rondae Hollis-Jefferson on the roster even if it meant waiving Jaylen Nowell in the process. Nowell is definitely an intriguing talent, but that's how big the hole in the frontcourt is. Instead, McLaughlin accepted his two-way deal meaning the Wolves could have kept all three.

3. Nobody on this forum, or in sports media for that matter, viewed Hollis-Jefferson as a 15th-man on this roster. He was quite clearly a rotation-level player and the best four on this roster with an argument to be a starter.

Care to try again?

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

For example if someone was hurt for the season they would be able to sign another player that's one scenario that means they add another guy and If they kept RHJ it would put them over the luxury tax although it's somewhat unlikely to happen that soon...you never know. There have been guys hurt in the first week of the season before.

Here's the thing, monster. Your scenario only makes sense if there's an injury to one of Minnesota's fours... Every other position has talent capable of stepping in should an injury arise. Point guard, wing, and center are deep enough to not need the safety net of an open roster spot. The only position where they would need to sign a free agent fill-in would be at the four. And they just waived the best they had. Do you understand the level of incompetence involved with this now?

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

RHJ was probably the best defensive player we had in the front court so he definitely was not the 15th man on this squad. Given how many one way offensive players we have he should have seen significant playing time this year trying to offset those defensive atrocities.

[Lipoli390]

Nice try, Monster. But there's no reasonable justification for this latest move by Rosas.

1. Breathing space to sign someone else? If they bring RHJ back, they have no roster spots for someone else. If they want to fill his slot with another free agent, who are they going to sign for the same money or more up to $3 million per year?

2. Looking at possible trades? They could easily include him as part of any trade if necessary. He's a valuable asset with a League minimum deal that expires the end of this season.

The only sense I can possibly make of this is that they know of a particular player or two they expect to be released by other teams and they want to have a roster spot and room under the luxury tax to sign that player. We'll know soon whether that's true.

I personally like to try and figure things out. I must not have written my post well it didn't seem like you got the point of the salary cap issues they could face. For example if someone was hurt for the season they would be able to sign another player that's one scenario that means they add another guy and If they kept RHJ it would put them over the luxury tax although it's somewhat unlikely to happen that soon...you never know. There have been guys hurt in the first week of the season before.

Something else to consider if the Wolves are planning on bringing RHJ in a while to save some precious cap space...RHJ signed a camp deal so likely an exhibit 10 deal which can include up to 50k guaranteed and none of that money that goes to those players counts against the cap. So the Wolves have already likely given him 50k so that's a little something. Are they nickel and dime their way around here? Yep. Lots of teams have had to do the same thing. It admittedly looks worse for the Wolves than when say a team like Miami has done it.

It sounds easy to include a player like RHJ but teams waive perfectly useful players all the time because they don't have the roster space or don't want to pay them. Both in terms of trade and what may happen the next few days weeks etc let's not lose sign of the fact that RHJ signed here for a non-guaranteed deal for the vet min. I guess he didn't have other great offers right? Will there be a team that decides to pick him up over a guy they have or some other player that gets let go? Idk we are gonna find out. There are some other worthwhile players that never even got signed.

Monster - I thought you did a nice job trying to piece together a rationale for what Gersson just did. I just don't see any rationale that's reasonable under the circumstances. As for injury, if someone gets hurt, they'd still have 14 roster player and two guys on two-ways. That's more than enough. The extra $1.6M from releasing RHJ won't make a meaningful difference. If that was what Rosas was thinking, then that just reinforces my skepticism about his acumen for the job. I'm not questioning your analysis; you're just trying to piece together why Rosas might have make this move. I'm just questioning the judgment of the guy who made the move because I don't see any sensible reason for the move.