Player A vs, Player B

[Wolvesfan21]

Trading Ant for Simmons (plus whatever fillers) would be a type of deal Kahn would make. While Simmons is the better player now, the amount they make now and in the next few seasons would make this trade unacceptable. Not to mention Ant has much higher upside.

You win by having players outplay their contracts because we are stuck with a cap. Simmons won't command a high return based upon what he makes, not to mention the issues he shows in his game (some if not overblown to me but never the less).

DLO is the type of player you include in a deal for Simmons, he already makes max money. Ant is I assume off the table. If not fire Rosas.

[Lipoli390]

I'll take Jason Kidd (B) over Simmons (A) - He had more assists, more steals and fewer turnovers per game and was a decent threat behind the arc because he was willing to take those shots and actually hit a respectable 35% of them.

But I'll add that this comparison is a bit misleading. First, you left out Simmons' 59.7% free-throw shooting compared to Kidd's career 78.5%. More importantly, you were comparisons career stats, which means they include Jason Kidd's stats for a number of years well past his prime. Let's look at Jason Kidd's stats when he was 24 years old like Simmons:

11.6 PPG, 6.2 RPG, 9.1 APG, 2.0 SPG, 3.2 TOPG, 50.2% TS.

How about Kidd's stats when he was 25 in his 5th season like Simmons:

16.9 PPG, 6.8 RPG, 10.8 APG, 36.6% 3-pt shooting, 75.7% FT on 4.8 attempts (same number of attempts as Simmons)

I don't recall what Dallas got in return when they traded him to the Suns or what the Suns got when they traded him to New Jersey or what New Jersey got when they traded him to Dallas.

Lip, I'm trying to understand your point about comparing Kidd and Simmons at age 24, but let's lay out their respective stats:

Simmons: 14.3 PPG, 7.2 RPG, 6.9 APG, 114 ORtg, 106 DRtg, 58.4 TS%, 30 3-point %, 61.3 FT%, .153 ws/48

Kidd: 11.6 PPG, 6.2 RPG, 9.1 APG, 105 ORtg, 101 DRtg, 50.2 TS%, 31 3-point %, 79.9 FT%, .123 ws/48

So at the same age, Simmons was a more prolific scorer at a MUCH more efficient rate, a better rebounder, and had a much better ORtg and ws/48. Kidd was a much better facilitator, surprisingly had a slightly better defensive rating and a much better FT %. 3-point shooting for the 2 players at age 25 was irrelevant because neither was very good and Kidd made fewer than one per game.

I think you would have to be engaging KellyAnne Conway's "alternative facts" to conclude Kidd was superior to Simmons at the same age. If I've left out any stats you find more relevant, I'm open to comparing them.

So again, are we really not willing to put Anthony Edwards on the table when we have a chance to pick up a player who is clearly better than HOFer Jason Kidd at the same stage of their careers? Really?

Compare the two in their respective 5th seasons. Kidd was the more prolific scorer and had more assists per game. Their rebounding numbers were pretty close. Moreover, unlike Simmons, Kidd was a threat from behind the arc and wasn't a liability at the free-throw line. So I think Kidd was better than Simmons in their respective 5th seasons. And I think they were comparable at age 24. I significantly discount the value of a player with a huge hole in their game like Simmons when it comes to perimeter and free-throw shooting. My concern about Simmons is exacerbated by his passive nature.

But no matter how closely Simmons' stats resemble Jason Kidd's at any point in their respective careers, I'm not interested in trading Edwards for Simmons. I would, however, trade Michael Finley and Sam Cassell for Simmons. :)

Lip if we were able to get the players Finley and Cassell were after they were traded to Dallas I might actually not make that deal. Those guys were both good for a number of years. I know I'm biased because I liked Cassell ever since he got his opportunity as a starting PG and yes he had his flaws but Finely was a guy I would really like to have on my team.

I think that's a reasonable perspective, Monster.