Starting PG next season if you could choose?

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

If the season ended today I'd re-sign Rose to be the starter and Tyus to be the backup. Then I know I'd have a competent replacement if Rose gets injured. Whether that's possible and we don't get priced out of both who knows but I'd give them a combined 15 million to be our PG's next year.

[ItsJustSoSab]

Rubio

Oh man don't get pork chop all fired up again.

Rubio isn't the answer either. Let's call them up and see if they will give up another first round pick for a PG on a 1 year deal. That's kinda their thing. Lol

I was one of Rubios biggest supporters and believe that Adelman ruined the guy by sticking him in a corner. However, if I'm gonna complain about Tyus missing wide open 3's....uffda

[longstrangetrip [enjin:6600564]]

I know we're getting away from the initial poll, but there seems to be a consensus that trading Teague for cap space would be a good move. The problem is I can't see any team that meets the criteria: in need of a solid PG, and having a comparably paid expiring contract that they are willing to part with. Does anyone see any current possibilities? I think we will have to have a PG on a contender go down before any deal becomes feasible.

[crazy-canuck [enjin:18955461]]

Teague, okogie, and tyus to the Hornets

Kemba, monk, and graham to the wolves

Consolidate our pgs, but we have to add okogie as the sweetener.

Charlotte gets their starting sg and pg while unloading a draft bust.

Kemba/rose
Wiggs/monk
Cov/
Taj/saric
Kat/dieng

Thibs keeps his 9 man rotation.

[kekgeek]

Teague, okogie, and tyus to the Hornets

Kemba, monk, and graham to the wolves

Consolidate our pgs, but we have to add okogie as the sweetener.

Charlotte gets their starting sg and pg while unloading a draft bust.

Kemba/rose
Wiggs/monk
Cov/
Taj/saric
Kat/dieng

Thibs keeps his 9 man rotation.

Hornets don't do that. And we don't give up okogie knowing that Kemba can leave in the offseason.

[Monster]

I know we're getting away from the initial poll, but there seems to be a consensus that trading Teague for cap space would be a good move. The problem is I can't see any team that meets the criteria: in need of a solid PG, and having a comparably paid expiring contract that they are willing to part with. Does anyone see any current possibilities? I think we will have to have a PG on a contender go down before any deal becomes feasible.

I agree with your assessment LST.

As for possibilities...The Suns were a team that actually needed a PG and that ship has sailed. About the only other team that needs a PG is Orlando and even if they did want him there really isn't a salary match that makes sense. Teague's 19 million ain't gonna be easy to find a trade partner. I suppose the Spurs could use him but again even if they wanted him (doubtful) what are they gonna reasonably trade back?

I think you are right a team that has playoff aspirations would need to have a guy go down. One team that would make sense would be the Bucks teaming Teague back up with Bud but if Bledsoe got hurt would they really deal him to get Teague? I doubt it. There will likely be a lot of options teams can go for that would be easier to make happen like Jeremy Lin or some other solid backup guy like Napier. The Bucks could just play some of their guards as shooters and let Giannis go crazy and let Middleton do a little more etc.

The thing about dealing Teague is if you are at all hoping to make the playoffs you have to get some sort of ball handler back or have a likely guy that can help you in the buyout market etc. Having just Rose and Tyus as the only guys means you are one injury away from playing scrap heap/Jared terrell PG minutes. I get that Teague can be frustrating but he is still a fairly good player and likely a hell of a lot better than the bargain bin options.

I still think moving Teague next offseason or he just flat opts out is possible. I think he can offer value to this team this year and not just because we could end up facing playing junk players. People forget Rubio (yes not a completely fair comparison) would have bad games and dribble around doing basically nothing passing up shots he should take also. Legit but average starters do these types of things. They just aren't consistent That's why they aren't fringe all stars but they are good enough to be starters. Teague has been on teams that have gone to the playoffs every year. Some of that is him being on good teams and some is his contributions.

[Lipoli390]

LST, Teague may look for a deal that is longer at a reduced price point. These guys look at the total value of their contract, not just the next year, so don't rule out him opting out. I don't think he's a real happy camper playing for Thibs and there are plenty of teams that know he's playing in an offense designed by a caveman:

I really like Tyus, but he has got to hit open 3's if he's going to amount to much more than a reliable backup PG. Him missing that open corner 3 last night was a killer. As you said yourself, the 3-ball is what cost us the game. He's gotta hit that shot.

It's really hard to assess Tyus as a three-point shooter unless he starts taking a lot more of those shots. Last night he missed a corner three. He's not alone in that regard. But note that he attempted only 1 three pointer, which isn't too surprising since he played only 15 minutes. Teague attempted only two three-pointers in his 32 minutes. I guess that's the rate for 3-point attempts by our PGs in Thibs' offense - 1 every 15 minutes. :)

Interestingly, if Thibodeau remains as head coach, I think that increases the odds of Teague accepting a longer-term contract elsewhere. He clearly can't stand Thibodeau - sort of like Crawford. But I don't think the Wolves will make the playoffs this season, which should cause Taylor to let Thibs go. But that probably increases the odds of Teague remaining for the last year of his contract with the Wolves. Bummer. I want it all -- Thibs's departure and Teague opting out. I'm probably asking for too much.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Ugh. None of them are too enticing.

- Teague. He's fine (dribble) I guess. He can get a team (dribble) to the playoffs. But, there's something (dribble) infuriating about watching him (dribble) play. He needs to shoot when open and do other things (dribble) less.
- Rose. I think he's ideal as a scoring combo guard off the bench. I think he's at his best when he has a facilitator next to him... instead of taking on those responsibilities. Remember, he was a laughingstock, assumed to be heading to China, only 25 or so games ago.
- Tyus Jones. I love pass-first PGs. But I also like do-stuff PGs. Jones is not an NBA starter. He's great at being a game manager and not fucking things up... but you need more from a starting PG in today's NBA. The more minutes Jones gets... the more his limitations (size, shooting, creating) would be exposed.
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So where does that leave the Wolves... I dunno.

Who is on an expiring deal?

- Eric Bledsoe. He's become more efficient this season while taking a bit of a backseat to the Giannis show. He's playing less than 30 mpg right now... which is pretty interesting.
- Ricky Rubio. As noted... the pork chops are grillin'
- Spencer Dinwiddie. Is he a legit NBA starting PG? For a good team?
- Malcolm Brogdon. Not a true PG... but a combo guy.
- Jeremy Lin. He might not be hurt at the moment...
- Kemba Walker. If he makes All NBA... he could ask for $40M per season! I like him. But...
- Darren Collison. A little bit of Tyus Jones... a little bit of Jeff Teague. Not enough of anything you'd really want... especially considering he'd be 32-years-old.
- Rajon Rondo. Pass.
- DeAngelo Russell. Young. Once promising. Every once in awhile... pretty solid. But... possibly the second coming of Rashad McCants. So... meh.
- Ish Smith. Ick.
- Patrick Beverley. He's cooked.
- Emmanuel Muiday. Only 22? Showing some signs of life for a really bad Knicks team. Trend? Mirage? Decent stats on bad team guy?
- Terry Rozier. How much is he getting on the open market? How good is he? Consider... he's never hit 40% of his shots.
- Elfrid Payton. Pass.
- Tyus Jones.
- Derrick Rose.
- Quinn Cook. Curry's backup in GSW. Hasn't exactly stepped up in his absence.
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A couple of other considerations...

- Monte Morris. 13/4/6... 47%/42%/83%... 0.8 TOs per 36 min in Denver as a backup. He's getting 24 mpg a night for a legit playoff contender. Is his deal expiring? If so... is he actually an NBA starter? A system guy? Something else?
- Basically, he's this season's version of Fred VanVleet... only better?

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

Nice run down Abe. The bottom line is unless we somehow miraculously get Kemba, all of our options have either major holes in their game and/or major question marks around age, health, etc.

All the more reason Thibs should not be gearing his offense exclusively around guard-centric isolation and pick and roll!

[Lipoli390]

Nice run down Abe. The bottom line is unless we somehow miraculously get Kemba, all of our options have either major holes in their game and/or major question marks around age, health, etc.

All the more reason Thibs should not be gearing his offense exclusively around guard-centric isolation and pick and roll!

I agree. Among Abe's options, Brogdon interests me. That's about it. As you pointed out, the Wolves shoudn't Be gearing their offense around guard-centric isolation and p&r. But as long as Thibodeau is head coach, that's the offense we're going to see.