Coaching vs. Players.

[Coolbreeze44]

Wait Zach gets a pass for playing horrible and Wiggins doesn't? No passes. Were they both tired and hurting? Probably. But Zach took a couple of moving fadeaway 3s in the 4th. That shot shouldn't be taken when you're healthy. Zach can make up for his bone-headed decision making with his talent often but let's not let one off the hook because of percieved injury. If you make the choice to play you're accountable for your performance. That's on Wiggins and Zach.

I think Zach is less culpable because his effort was consistent and strong. I can't say that about Wig last night. To me it looked like he flat out quit.

[thedoper]

Wait Zach gets a pass for playing horrible and Wiggins doesn't? No passes. Were they both tired and hurting? Probably. But Zach took a couple of moving fadeaway 3s in the 4th. That shot shouldn't be taken when you're healthy. Zach can make up for his bone-headed decision making with his talent often but let's not let one off the hook because of percieved injury. If you make the choice to play you're accountable for your performance. That's on Wiggins and Zach.

I think Zach is less culpable because his effort was consistent and strong. I can't say that about Wig last night. To me it looked like he flat out quit.

Zach bricked 5 threes in the 4th 2 of which were good shots. Wiggins looked like shit. Zach looked like shit. Everyone was awful in the 4th. It was disheartening. Was Wiggins the worst of them? Probably. But lets not give anyone a pass from that game. Just horrible.

[Monster]

Getting back to the original idea behind this thread. Who gets the credit for the most maligned player on this roster Adreian Payne playing like a useful rotation player? Does Thibs get credit for that? Are we giving Payne the player the credit? Obviously it's both but Thibs has to get some credit for that. Payne's resume legitimately says he sucks.

[Monster]

https://twitter.com/wolvesradio/status/801156206106705921

3rd quarters have gotten the headlines but the Wolves 1st half vs. 2nd half splits tell the whole story right now.

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

This team's problem isn't on the offensive end. It's on the defensive end. Sometimes shots just don't fall which is where defense comes into play and has to be the fallback to win games. We just aren't there yet defensively, but it will come. The offense is there on the final score even if it isn't helped out much in the 3rd Q. It's the other team's number that we need to work on.

[Coolbreeze44]

As disgusted as I am over last night's embarrassment, it's important to remember we've only played 13 basketball games. This tenure is just a pup.

[Monster]

Cool I just finished listening to Jon K and Souhan's latest podcast and right at the end Souhan brought up the Wolves being in the bottom 3rd of pace and Thibs yelling at them to get the ball up the floor and it seems at times like they aren't listening. Jon said some of that is obviously them not getting the job done defensively. Personally I think there are plenty of times when multiple guys aren't getting up the floor they are jogging behind Rubio or whoever has the ball. I know last year you had plenty to say about how the Wolves weren't being coached to run. I mentioned A few weeks ago I was gonna ask you about what you thought about this aspect of the team. Do you have any thoughts at this point? I don't see anything that makes me think Thibs is holding them back but I am curious about your take of you have one. Of course anyone else can chime in as well. I'll put down the phone and listen...

[Duke13]

Haven't read the thread, so not sure what direction it's going. You can't win with a pg who can't score, especially when the game slows down in the second half. I was texting with my friend last game. I told him, they will defend that PnR differently in the 2nd half making Rubio unless. They did and look at his first half stats compared to 2nd. It's not Tibs' fault. Look what New Orleans is doing now.

[thedoper]

Haven't read the thread, so not sure what direction it's going. You can't win with a pg who can't score, especially when the game slows down in the second half. I was texting with my friend last game. I told him, they will defend that PnR differently in the 2nd half making Rubio unless. They did and look at his first half stats compared to 2nd. It's not Tibs' fault. Look what New Orleans is doing now.

I'm with you on this.

[longstrangetrip [enjin:6600564]]

Haven't read the thread, so not sure what direction it's going. You can't win with a pg who can't score, especially when the game slows down in the second half. I was texting with my friend last game. I told him, they will defend that PnR differently in the 2nd half making Rubio unless. They did and look at his first half stats compared to 2nd. It's not Tibs' fault. Look what New Orleans is doing now.

Yeah, Ricky's stats have not been as good in the second half as the first. But where this board differs is in assigning blame for that. The Wolves start every game with Ricky handling the ball and the offense functioning smoothly...it's fun to watch. And then for some reason Thibs inexplicably changes the offense, and Wig becomes the primary ball handler with Ricky banished to the corner. While Wig has improved his handle this year, this still makes no sense to me, and the second half results have been disastrous. My son and I talked about this at halftime of the Celtics game, and were surprised and delighted that Thibs had Ricky handling the ball most of the third quarter...and we actually won the quarter. But then Wig was given the ball in the 4th, and the results were exactly what they were in the 7 previous second half collapses.

Ricky has proven that you can win with a PG who doesn't look to score...rather, what we have learned is you can't win with a SF with average handles running the point in the second half. Thibs needs to read what the definition of insanity is.