Can We Have a Thoughtful, Considerate Discussion about This?

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

"unlike a player like middleton who might theoretically be a better fit, he doesn't have the take over the game potential wiggins has shown in his career."

Boy, oh boy. This thread has been relatively fair except this line. I don't think it was intentional, but this sentence alone should show how unappreciated Khris Middleton is. What more does the guy have to do to get some respect? He literally does everything better than Wiggins (score, facilitate, rebound, defend, shoot, etc.).

[Coolbreeze44]

It's been said that the best ability is availability. I wouldn't go that far but being durable in the NBA means a lot for star players.

If the concern is really about this team being at it's ceiling already (I don't think it's close), here's what you would want to do. Package Wiggins and Butler to get a top 5 player. I'm talking Westbrook, Harden, or someone of that ilk. Then you would have two great players including Towns with some cap flexibility. But obviously I think it's too early to already back out of the current plan.

These threads always seem to pop up after a night when Wiggins doesn't shoot well. Yet, most say they care more about his do shit stats anyway. Well he had decent do shit stats last night.

He's still young enough where he can improve as a shooter and offensive player. That's the least of my worries.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

"unlike a player like middleton who might theoretically be a better fit, he doesn't have the take over the game potential wiggins has shown in his career."

Boy, oh boy. This thread has been relatively fair except this line. I don't think it was intentional, but this sentence alone should show how unappreciated Khris Middleton is. What more does the guy have to do to get some respect? He literally does everything better than Wiggins (score, facilitate, rebound, defend, shoot, etc.).

I think Wiggins can get himself in scoring position in a higher variety of ways than Middleton, thus he has more of that "take over a game" potential in him. But since we already have Butler and KAT, I'm not sure how valuable that really is to us versus a guy like Middleton (for example) who can do a variety of things well and score more efficiently.

[Coolbreeze44]

"unlike a player like middleton who might theoretically be a better fit, he doesn't have the take over the game potential wiggins has shown in his career."

Boy, oh boy. This thread has been relatively fair except this line. I don't think it was intentional, but this sentence alone should show how unappreciated Khris Middleton is. What more does the guy have to do to get some respect? He literally does everything better than Wiggins (score, facilitate, rebound, defend, shoot, etc.).

Not even close Cam. You must not watch Middleton play. The game isn't played on a spread sheet. You make this moronic argument all the time. No one with a speck of basketball know how would trade Wiggins for Middleton at this point. Just no way, stop it.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

"unlike a player like middleton who might theoretically be a better fit, he doesn't have the take over the game potential wiggins has shown in his career."

Boy, oh boy. This thread has been relatively fair except this line. I don't think it was intentional, but this sentence alone should show how unappreciated Khris Middleton is. What more does the guy have to do to get some respect? He literally does everything better than Wiggins (score, facilitate, rebound, defend, shoot, etc.).

Not even close Cam. You must not watch Middleton play. The game isn't played on a spread sheet. You make this moronic argument all the time. No one with a speck of basketball know how would trade Wiggins for Middleton at this point. Just no way, stop it.

The reason people don't do that trade is because of the potential argument. But there is no question Middleton is the better player TODAY.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

"unlike a player like middleton who might theoretically be a better fit, he doesn't have the take over the game potential wiggins has shown in his career."

Boy, oh boy. This thread has been relatively fair except this line. I don't think it was intentional, but this sentence alone should show how unappreciated Khris Middleton is. What more does the guy have to do to get some respect? He literally does everything better than Wiggins (score, facilitate, rebound, defend, shoot, etc.).

Not even close Cam. You must not watch Middleton play. The game isn't played on a spread sheet. You make this moronic argument all the time. No one with a speck of basketball know how would trade Wiggins for Middleton at this point. Just no way, stop it.

I must not watch Middleton play, why? Because it's something we disagree about? Please, don't even go there.

The league today is placing precedence on have a well-rounded game and being efficient. That's why players like Khris Middleton and Otto Porter are just flat out better than Andrew Wiggins.

Everyone knows the potential Wiggins has. It's been discussed time and time again, mainly because people don't think he'll come close to his ceiling. That's besides the point, though. If you're a team trying to win a championship the next several seasons, trading Wiggins for Middleton makes sense. If you're banking on his progression, then maybe you don't make that move.

[worldK]

Doper gave the best argument here. Toronto will always be interested in a wiggins deal. There will be other teams as well. Wiggins is developing other parts of his game this season that will only make him a better and more complete player going forward.

[TAFKASP]

My only comment to Drew would be that no team that will be willing to trade for him after this season because of his contract will trade for him now either. They're not stupid, they know the contract is there and they'd be responsible for it.

I'm not saying to trade him. I'm not saying don't trade him. I'm only saying if the contract is the singular reason nobody will take him then he's already untradeable.

Do you really think nobody would take him? I mean, not even straight up for some random expiring vet wing? I gotta think a team like the Kings might bite, right? Bulls? Mavs? Suns? Nets? Hawks? Those teams will have cap space and are clearly not free agent destinations.

I was only saying that if a team won't take him after this season because his contract kicks in, that same team isn't going to take him now just because it doesn't kick in until next season. If a team trades for Wiggins they're trading for that contract, be it this season, or next.

[Coolbreeze44]

"unlike a player like middleton who might theoretically be a better fit, he doesn't have the take over the game potential wiggins has shown in his career."

Boy, oh boy. This thread has been relatively fair except this line. I don't think it was intentional, but this sentence alone should show how unappreciated Khris Middleton is. What more does the guy have to do to get some respect? He literally does everything better than Wiggins (score, facilitate, rebound, defend, shoot, etc.).

Not even close Cam. You must not watch Middleton play. The game isn't played on a spread sheet. You make this moronic argument all the time. No one with a speck of basketball know how would trade Wiggins for Middleton at this point. Just no way, stop it.

The reason people don't do that trade is because of the potential argument. But there is no question Middleton is the better player TODAY.

No he's not. I don't care what measure you're using, you're wrong.

[Coolbreeze44]

"unlike a player like middleton who might theoretically be a better fit, he doesn't have the take over the game potential wiggins has shown in his career."

Boy, oh boy. This thread has been relatively fair except this line. I don't think it was intentional, but this sentence alone should show how unappreciated Khris Middleton is. What more does the guy have to do to get some respect? He literally does everything better than Wiggins (score, facilitate, rebound, defend, shoot, etc.).

Not even close Cam. You must not watch Middleton play. The game isn't played on a spread sheet. You make this moronic argument all the time. No one with a speck of basketball know how would trade Wiggins for Middleton at this point. Just no way, stop it.

I must not watch Middleton play, why? Because it's something we disagree about? Please, don't even go there.

The league today is placing precedence on have a well-rounded game and being efficient. That's why players like Khris Middleton and Otto Porter are just flat out better than Andrew Wiggins.

Everyone knows the potential Wiggins has. It's been discussed time and time again, mainly because people don't think he'll come close to his ceiling. That's besides the point, though. If you're a team trying to win a championship the next several seasons, trading Wiggins for Middleton makes sense. If you're banking on his progression, then maybe you don't make that move.

I don't know how many championships you've won as a coach, but on this point you just come off as misguided to me.