Camden0916 wrote:Teague is still a lot better than Jones, and that's not meant as a jab towards Jones because he's been awesome this year. I think we need to pump the brakes on the "start Tyus Jones, get rid of Jeff Teague" debate that I can see in the works.
Agreed Cam.
Also who is the backup when we deal Teague in this scenario? We are at a luxury with that position right now and it's kinda nice.
Camden wrote:Teague is still a lot better than Jones, and that's not meant as a jab towards Jones because he's been awesome this year. I think we need to pump the brakes on the "start Tyus Jones, get rid of Jeff Teague" debate that I can see in the works.
While I agree with you in terms of a stand alone comparison between the two, there is I think some room for debate about who is the better fit with the starters. The early evidence heavily favors Tyus, with "early" being the operative word. We need a bigger sample size.
Camden wrote:Teague is still a lot better than Jones, and that's not meant as a jab towards Jones because he's been awesome this year. I think we need to pump the brakes on the "start Tyus Jones, get rid of Jeff Teague" debate that I can see in the works.
While I agree with you in terms of a stand alone comparison between the two, there is I think some room for debate about who is the better fit with the starters. The early evidence heavily favors Tyus, with "early" being the operative word. We need a bigger sample size.
Sometimes it's worth taking a bit of a step back here. This team's record with Tyus playing starter minutes is is 3-3. Teague as a starter is 20-11. Like you said the sample size is small but it's gonna grow to a more decent sample the next few days with more starts for Tyus. Hopefully Tyus and the team plays well along with Brooks playing like an NBA rotation player when he is out there.
Camden wrote:Teague is still a lot better than Jones, and that's not meant as a jab towards Jones because he's been awesome this year. I think we need to pump the brakes on the "start Tyus Jones, get rid of Jeff Teague" debate that I can see in the works.
While I agree with you in terms of a stand alone comparison between the two, there is I think some room for debate about who is the better fit with the starters. The early evidence heavily favors Tyus, with "early" being the operative word. We need a bigger sample size.
Sometimes it's worth taking a bit of a step back here. This team's record with Tyus playing starter minutes is is 3-3. Teague as a starter is 20-11. Like you said the sample size is small but it's gonna grow to a more decent sample the next few days with more starts for Tyus. Hopefully Tyus and the team plays well along with Brooks playing like an NBA rotation player when he is out there.
One of the reasons we are 3-3 with tyus starting is because we often had to give brooks or bazzy minutes.
Theres a huge step down when your back up goes from Tyus behind teague to Brooks behind tyus.
Teague is the better player, but tyus is the better fit. That said. Teague is still the starter, but Id like to see Thibs be a little more flexible and not be afraid to play Tyus with the starters and teague with the bench for spurts during the game.
From reddit:
The lineup combination of Tyus with the starters has an offensive rating of 122.2 and a defensive rating of 95.5. This lineup has played 266 possessions and is in the 97th percentile of all lineups played in the league in terms of net rating. The offense and defense is much better with Tyus in the lineup compared to Teague, as the offensive rating for the regular starters is 111.9 and the defensive rating is 105.7.
Camden wrote:Teague is still a lot better than Jones, and that's not meant as a jab towards Jones because he's been awesome this year. I think we need to pump the brakes on the "start Tyus Jones, get rid of Jeff Teague" debate that I can see in the works.
While I agree with you in terms of a stand alone comparison between the two, there is I think some room for debate about who is the better fit with the starters. The early evidence heavily favors Tyus, with "early" being the operative word. We need a bigger sample size.
Sometimes it's worth taking a bit of a step back here. This team's record with Tyus playing starter minutes is is 3-3. Teague as a starter is 20-11. Like you said the sample size is small but it's gonna grow to a more decent sample the next few days with more starts for Tyus. Hopefully Tyus and the team plays well along with Brooks playing like an NBA rotation player when he is out there.
One of the reasons we are 3-3 with tyus starting is because we often had to give brooks or bazzy minutes.
Theres a huge step down when your back up goes from Tyus behind teague to Brooks behind tyus.
Teague is the better player, but tyus is the better fit. That said. Teague is still the starter, but Id like to see Thibs be a little more flexible and not be afraid to play Tyus with the starters and teague with the bench for spurts during the game.
From reddit:
The lineup combination of Tyus with the starters has an offensive rating of 122.2 and a defensive rating of 95.5. This lineup has played 266 possessions and is in the 97th percentile of all lineups played in the league in terms of net rating. The offense and defense is much better with Tyus in the lineup compared to Teague, as the offensive rating for the regular starters is 111.9 and the defensive rating is 105.7.
Those are nice numbers Canuck. I hope he keeps it up, but like Q and Cam said we need a larger sample size. I hope thibs sees this as well and doesn't cut him back down to 10 minutes when Teague comes back.
Camden wrote:Teague is still a lot better than Jones, and that's not meant as a jab towards Jones because he's been awesome this year. I think we need to pump the brakes on the "start Tyus Jones, get rid of Jeff Teague" debate that I can see in the works.
While I agree with you in terms of a stand alone comparison between the two, there is I think some room for debate about who is the better fit with the starters. The early evidence heavily favors Tyus, with "early" being the operative word. We need a bigger sample size.
Sometimes it's worth taking a bit of a step back here. This team's record with Tyus playing starter minutes is is 3-3. Teague as a starter is 20-11. Like you said the sample size is small but it's gonna grow to a more decent sample the next few days with more starts for Tyus. Hopefully Tyus and the team plays well along with Brooks playing like an NBA rotation player when he is out there.
One of the reasons we are 3-3 with tyus starting is because we often had to give brooks or bazzy minutes.
Theres a huge step down when your back up goes from Tyus behind teague to Brooks behind tyus.
Teague is the better player, but tyus is the better fit. That said. Teague is still the starter, but Id like to see Thibs be a little more flexible and not be afraid to play Tyus with the starters and teague with the bench for spurts during the game.
From reddit:
The lineup combination of Tyus with the starters has an offensive rating of 122.2 and a defensive rating of 95.5. This lineup has played 266 possessions and is in the 97th percentile of all lineups played in the league in terms of net rating. The offense and defense is much better with Tyus in the lineup compared to Teague, as the offensive rating for the regular starters is 111.9 and the defensive rating is 105.7.
Those are nice numbers Canuck. I hope he keeps it up, but like Q and Cam said we need a larger sample size. I hope thibs sees this as well and doesn't cut him back down to 10 minutes when Teague comes back.
Canuk obviously Brooks is a downgrade when Tyus plays those starter minutes. Your idea of Bazz having an effect is probably more the opposite. He only played in 3 of Tyus games and barely played in 2 of them. Remember Bazz started in 2 games Teague played in and Butler didn't play.
Let's see some more before we are so difinitive about how good Tyus is compared to Teague with the starters. The numbers look good but also those starters are pretty good too. I'd be interested to see what the starters numbers with Teague the games in between Tyus starts.
[Note: I'm ok with it. I dig Tyus. Part of it is provincial rubedom. Part of it is that he's a bit of an underdog. A lot of it is that I really really dig smart, team-oriented PGs.]
I like guys that can impact games without having to take a lot of shots. Tyus is similar to Rubio in this regard and I always loved Rubio (who I will admit had his ups and downs). The bottom line is that the team has performed stellar when he's running the point. Now put him out there with a bunch of role players where he is expected to make all the plays, then he'd be in trouble. But I just love guys that can fit in with higher usage scorers and add value. They are really important to playing winning basketball.
Edit: I will also admit to being wrong about Tyus Jones - or somewhat wrong I guess. I thought Flip gave away too much to get Tyus. He traded two current 2nd rounders from that draft and a future 2nd rounder - so three picks - to move up and nab Tyus late in the 1st. I had nothing specifically against Tyus, but I thought trading in three "darts" for one was a bad move. I'd have to go back and look at who was picked in those slots to figure out who won the deal, but there is no question Tyus is an NBA-caliber rotation player that would win the primary backup role for the vast majority of teams.
Q12543 wrote:I like guys that can impact games without having to take a lot of shots. Tyus is similar to Rubio in this regard and I always loved Rubio (who I will admit had his ups and downs). The bottom line is that the team has performed stellar when he's running the point. Now put him out there with a bunch of role players where he is expected to make all the plays, then he'd be in trouble. But I just love guys that can fit in with higher usage scorers and add value. They are really important to playing winning basketball.
Edit: I will also admit to being wrong about Tyus Jones - or somewhat wrong I guess. I thought Flip gave away too much to get Tyus. He traded two current 2nd rounders from that draft and a future 2nd rounder - so three picks - to move up and nab Tyus late in the 1st. I had nothing specifically against Tyus, but I thought trading in three "darts" for one was a bad move. I'd have to go back and look at who was picked in those slots to figure out who won the deal, but there is no question Tyus is an NBA-caliber rotation player that would win the primary backup role for the vast majority of teams.
I think the most telling statistic with Jones (beyond the low TOs) is the number of deflections he gets. It's so completely over-the-top in his limited minutes... that it can't be a fluke.
Even yesterday, you could see him getting super close a few times via savvy anticipation.
Q12543 wrote:I like guys that can impact games without having to take a lot of shots. Tyus is similar to Rubio in this regard and I always loved Rubio (who I will admit had his ups and downs). The bottom line is that the team has performed stellar when he's running the point. Now put him out there with a bunch of role players where he is expected to make all the plays, then he'd be in trouble. But I just love guys that can fit in with higher usage scorers and add value. They are really important to playing winning basketball.
Edit: I will also admit to being wrong about Tyus Jones - or somewhat wrong I guess. I thought Flip gave away too much to get Tyus. He traded two current 2nd rounders from that draft and a future 2nd rounder - so three picks - to move up and nab Tyus late in the 1st. I had nothing specifically against Tyus, but I thought trading in three "darts" for one was a bad move. I'd have to go back and look at who was picked in those slots to figure out who won the deal, but there is no question Tyus is an NBA-caliber rotation player that would win the primary backup role for the vast majority of teams.
I think the most telling statistic with Jones (beyond the low TOs) is the number of deflections he gets. It's so completely over-the-top in his limited minutes... that it can't be a fluke.
Even yesterday, you could see him getting super close a few times via savvy anticipation.
Averages 4.4 deflections per 36 minutes, by far the best on the team. And this is from a guy with short arms and less-than-ideal quickness. He just has an amazing knack for it. And some of his steals are just filthy. Love it!
